Chase, Chasing and Chasing Red Pill...

[Franco]

Drck,

Your points here are drastically different from the ones made in the original post -- most of your points above I agree with.

Your original post talked about the quality of the women in the USA, which is a different topic from the quality of men in the USA (Good Guys vs. Bad Boys). All I wanted to point out with my post (and Chase with his post + article) is that quality women do exist in the USA, but you have to BECOME the strong and dominant man to get them. And this is what Chase's material helps guys do: become strong and dominant men.

The other issue you addressed was bitterness. For awhile I've seen you mention that GirlsChase is like the "precursor" to Red Pill mentality -- I've never really agreed with that. If anything, Red Pill is the precursor to becoming the "Good and Dominant" man that GC helps you become. Many guys that have come here have experienced pain, frustration, anger, and confusion with women (including myself), but the problem is that Red Pill sites FUEL all of these emotions. And while Red Pill sites give great advice for being dominant and also give great advice for picking up women, they lack the ability to understand and appreciate women down to their cores. They use people's anger and frustration to fuel them into picking up women while also hating them, and that's only HALF of the problem being solved.

GirlsChase is an entire level above Red Pill sites. It not only teaches men how to become strong and dominant, but it also teaches them how to appreciate and understand women so they can rid themselves of the negative mentalities. Red Pill sites do not do that; at best, they are a stepping stone toward helping get a guy laid, but they don't allow these guys to improve their unhealthy mindsets and understand and appreciate women at a deeper level.

If Red Pill authors truly understood women, then they wouldn't be bitter about them. Alas, the bitterness in most of their articles shows that they do NOT understand women, and while Red Pill websites have equipped these authors with the tools to get laid, they have not equipped them with the tools to love and be loved. Those two elements are key to having a long-lasting relationship with the highest quality women, whether that be from the USA or anywhere else.

- Franco

 

[trashKENNUT]

Drck,

>>>> Exactly. The Good Guy today works very hard, at work and school, on his personal development, on learning about women, on learning seduction - but what does she do? When you think about it, he does 90% of all the effort, and she does 10%... He has minimal return... It is not that she is bad in some way, it is simply that there is no equality, the guy is over-investing while she (usually) doesn't do much...

Do a Hugh Heffner or Wilt Chamberlain.

I am rooting for you because i do really believe in everyone's live their lifes for themselves and that cup will automatically pours out of itself. Only the paranoia survive.

Zac

 

[Drck]

As above Franco, I don't really disagree, but rather looking at the same thing from different point of view.

Quality women do exist in USA but are rare. For example, if you compare USA to another society, say Europe 10-20 years ago (and possibly Latina countries), there were/are larger number of quality women in the pool. Quality here means looks as well as behavior.

* Looks: skinnier, more fit, taking care of herself...
* Behavior: more feminine, more carrying, more family oriented...
... Not sure if everybody agrees, but my view is that Latina girls win in those categories, which IMO are categories average man cares about...

Men didn't have to do much with their strength and dominance to get those quality women because women in those countries were/are naturally feminine and men are naturally dominant. In other words, there is no way the men had to practice seduction for 3-5 or more years to get a really good woman...

Another example, I know MANY Latino guys who are simply Nice Guys in our terms, and they are in LTR/Marriage relationships with Latina girls. There is no way that these guys practice seduction for years to get those girls. They get these girls simply because there is larger pool of quality girls, and because girls are still more naturally feminine. When you compare Latina girls to American (or even European) girls, they are simply HOTTER. They are prettier, skinnier, they are still family oriented, they are full of energy, they are very aware of slut shaming, and they can still take a good care of household...

See what I'm saying? You just can't take American girl and compare it to Latino girl, most American girls will lose across the board in areas average guy cares about...

And that's the point... Guys in states have to practice lots of skills and they still have hard time to get quality girl... Guys in states have to learn lots of skills, and perhaps still not being able to get that quality girl they are looking for. Girls in states are not doing much to keep a good guy around, they don't really bring much to the table... And that is what's frustrating... From this point of view it is IMO quite easy to understand the frustration and bitterness that can be seen in Red Pill sites... A guy who goes through hard time with women simply says I've had enough, I'm not moving a finger for any women anymore, I'm just going to develop some game so I can get laid...

It is not really because the women in states are horrible, it is because the overall system allows them to behave this way... They have too much freedom, they have too easy access to anyting they want, they are allowed to do as they wish, they are supported by the system (see single moms or divorced women)... they simply do it because they can... Yet at the same time it is the Good Guy who is really screwed as he became SLAVE to the system... Get a good education, so you can pay off your loans for the next 20 years, with nice interest. Get a full time job or two, so you can pay high taxes. Get a big house, so in case your wife divorces you you can still pay for it. Get used to your wife weighing 230 pounds, because if you are not you are some sort of sexist. Vote for lying and corrupted woman because, ehm, because women are equal to men. Do all the household slave, because you are equal too. Work harder and harder Slave, just so the equal woman can do less and less... Be more and more productive Slave. Eh!

...Most naturally dominant men don't want entitled feminist, they don't really want strong and independent woman. Most naturally dominant men want feminine woman who has great looks, who is skinny and takes a good care of her family, of him and his children... But the system does the exact opposite, the system is enabling fat and ugly feminist to be in power... Look at H. Clinton, she is very powerful woman. But does any guy find her sexy in any way? Silly, cute, giggly and feminine? Nope, because she has bigger balls in her pants than most guys...


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Franco: "For awhile I've seen you mention that GirlsChase is like the "precursor" to Red Pill mentality -- I've never really agreed with that"

>>>> I didn't mean it that way, those are just two different styles. Say in analogy we compare Asshole game vs GC game. GC game might be much better, yet it doesn't mean that asshole game is bad or that it doesn't work. The asshole guy may get laid with ease, simply because he doesn't really care much...

Who is better or worse? It doesn't make sense ask this question because they simply have different approach, different mind set... If you browse through Red Pill sites you will actually find lots of things that are similar if not the same like here. For example, not chasing, being aloof and dominant, not falling in love are not new concepts, those are perhaps the core rules for every successful interaction with women...

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Franco: "(Red Pill sites) they lack the ability to understand and appreciate women down to their cores"
>>>> IMO it also depends how we look at it. In simple terms, understanding women is about understanding of dominance, understanding of masculinity and femininity. The more dominance the guy can project, the more attractive he is and the more women (including those in relationships) are willing to sleep with him...

If we can simplify (again), we can say that in seduction a guy is more concerned about understanding of women, how to react to particular situations, how to develop good connection with the girl and so on. Red Pill guy has simpler approach, he is more concern about developing his dominance and sort of assholish game, because he knows that dominance and game are the keys to success with women. Again, there is no better or worse approach, those are just different approaches, and if a guy is bitter he will fail either one...

 

[trashKENNUT]

Drck,

what u gonna do brah? I am 'muslim' by identification. So i can marry four wifes if my testesterone drops although i am very vocal about me being agnostic and literally burning people's belief systems on Facebook and Instagram.

So join me in this adventure where i tear the house down disco style (HAHA). I'm kidding.

i have a big goal of tearing the world's narrative and i really believe i can. I need to give people something to believe/delude because that's how humans, we are.

why am i writing this. XD

Zac

 

[Franco]

Drck,

Quality women do exist in USA but are rare. For example, if you compare USA to another society, say Europe 10-20 years ago (and possibly Latina countries), there were/are larger number of quality women in the pool. Quality here means looks as well as behavior.

* Looks: skinnier, more fit, taking care of herself...
* Behavior: more feminine, more carrying, more family oriented...
... Not sure if everybody agrees, but my view is that Latina girls win in those categories, which IMO are categories average man cares about...

Men didn't have to do much with their strength and dominance to get those quality women because women in those countries were/are naturally feminine and men are naturally dominant. In other words, there is no way the men had to practice seduction for 3-5 or more years to get a really good woman...

Another example, I know MANY Latino guys who are simply Nice Guys in our terms, and they are in LTR/Marriage relationships with Latina girls. There is no way that these guys practice seduction for years to get those girls. They get these girls simply because there is larger pool of quality girls, and because girls are still more naturally feminine. When you compare Latina girls to American (or even European) girls, they are simply HOTTER. They are prettier, skinnier, they are still family oriented, they are full of energy, they are very aware of slut shaming, and they can still take a good care of household...

See what I'm saying? You just can't take American girl and compare it to Latino girl, most American girls will lose across the board in areas average guy cares about...

This was all addressed in Chase's article that he linked above.

What you're listing above is your preference for women. You're making the assumption that all men generally want the things you listed, but that's not always the case. In general, an average guy wants an average woman... but guess what? No woman wants an average man. So attempting to be average will only get you women who are below-average.

Ironically, I love both white women and Latina women (they are my two favorites), but I have a few reasons why I generally prefer white women when it comes to girlfriends, and that all comes down to personal preference. (NOTE: You've also failed to list the negative qualities of Latina women, and one of those is that they are generally MUCH more fiery and can get really heated when it comes to drama; it can often be stressful to deal with a Latina girlfriend because she'll be yelling at you at the top of her lungs when she's upset about something. So if you want to date mostly Latinas, you better be well-prepared to deal with heavy drama on a regular basis. This is a generalization of course, but it's certainly a common quality among Latina women)

It is not really because the women in states are horrible, it is because the overall system allows them to behave this way... They have too much freedom, they have too easy access to anyting they want, they are allowed to do as they wish, they are supported by the system (see single moms or divorced women)... they simply do it because they can... Yet at the same time it is the Good Guy who is really screwed as he became SLAVE to the system... Get a good education, so you can pay off your loans for the next 20 years, with nice interest. Get a full time job or two, so you can pay high taxes. Get a big house, so in case your wife divorces you you can still pay for it. Get used to your wife weighing 230 pounds, because if you are not you are some sort of sexist. Vote for lying and corrupted woman because, ehm, because women are equal to men. Do all the household slave, because you are equal too. Work harder and harder Slave, just so the equal woman can do less and less... Be more and more productive Slave. Eh!

...Most naturally dominant men don't want entitled feminist, they don't really want strong and independent woman. Most naturally dominant men want feminine woman who has great looks, who is skinny and takes a good care of her family, of him and his children... But the system does the exact opposite, the system is enabling fat and ugly feminist to be in power... Look at H. Clinton, she is very powerful woman. But does any guy find her sexy in any way? Silly, cute, giggly and feminine? Nope, because she has bigger balls in her pants than most guys...

Yeah, the system in the USA does allow women to behave this way. But do all women in the USA behave this way? Do so many women in the USA behave this way that it's not worth the effort to find a good woman there? Not from my experience.

There are still plenty of women in the USA who understand the value of femininity, and the number of women who still value it is not insignificant. Like Chase mentioned in the article, it's more difficult to get women like this in the USA, but it's nowhere near impossible.

There's also an advantage to the freedom that the USA gives these women -- it allows them to further their knowledge and potential and become women with stronger backgrounds than just "mother." I know Chase's preference for girlfriends are women with Master's degrees, but you won't find as many women with Master's degrees in non-westernized countries because traditional women don't seek higher education. But in the USA, you have the ability to tie down a woman who is both feminine AND intelligent/strong/independent. A woman of this combination is harder to find when you're looking abroad in countries with women who are used to just playing the "stay-at-home mother" role.

Who is better or worse? It doesn't make sense ask this question because they simply have different approach, different mind set... If you browse through Red Pill sites you will actually find lots of things that are similar if not the same like here. For example, not chasing, being aloof and dominant, not falling in love are not new concepts, those are perhaps the core rules for every successful interaction with women...

IMO it also depends how we look at it. In simple terms, understanding women is about understanding of dominance, understanding of masculinity and femininity. The more dominance the guy can project, the more attractive he is and the more women (including those in relationships) are willing to sleep with him...

If we can simplify (again), we can say that in seduction a guy is more concerned about understanding of women, how to react to particular situations, how to develop good connection with the girl and so on. Red Pill guy has simpler approach, he is more concern about developing his dominance and sort of assholish game, because he knows that dominance and game are the keys to success with women. Again, there is no better or worse approach, those are just different approaches, and if a guy is bitter he will fail either one...

Right, but you're still just talking about pick-up here. I'm talking about not just pick-up, but also relationships. And when it comes to relationships, GirlsChase is miles ahead of not only Red Pill websites, but the entire internet in general. Find me a website that came before GirlsChase and has relationship advice that is on par (or better) than it. I would love to see it.

GirlsChase doesn't just help you get laid. It helps you have healthy mindsets about women so that you can convert those lays into relationships with women who love and respect you. I'd love to see a Red Pill website that advocates and teaches this -- it would certainly help clear the negativity that many of its readers maintain.

- Franco

 

[Drck]

Franco: "Latina women, and one of those is that they are generally MUCH more fiery and can get really heated when it comes to drama; it can often be stressful to deal with a Latina girlfriend because she'll be yelling at you at the top of her lungs when she's upset about something. So if you want to date mostly Latinas, you better be well-prepared to deal with heavy drama"

>>>> LOL! Very true, I went through it even without dating the girl. You got to really jack up your confidence to brush it off and to manage it, that can be quite unpleasant experience. She just doesn't care and spills her emotions all over the place, anytime, anywhere... I'm guessing that average non-Latino guy who is not aware of it can be quite humiliated. But you can also use it to your benefit, especially if she yells in front of everybody about your attempts to get into her pant. Some other girls might be repulsed, yet others just love it...

Zac: "what you gonna do brah?"
>>>> Nothing bro, I'm done trying to change this world