Chase Framing and Negative Compliance

[LovelyDesires]

So i have read the articles on chase framing. It has more or less to do with suggesting that the girl is naughty and wants to get in your pants and stuff.

Long story short - 1st date at nearby food court, ate for around 1 hour, then moved to a public table with circular bench. Couldnt escalate at the food court because of the separate seat positioning. (Should have started chase framing from the food court.)

Venue: Public table with circular bench
(She played club music on her phone.)
Me: So u club often?
She: I used to go last time.
Me: Why do u go to clubs?
She: Im not really sure...
Me: U like grinding the guys there.
She: Not really. (smiles)

I switched the conversation topic after that as i was already starting to get negative compliance.

My head was going for something like: So theres a part of you thats really into grinding
or, whats the sexiest thing you have ever done, or, would u have grinded me if I was there.

So, how to chase frame, without building a negative compliance(a string of 'no's) from her? Especially since i dont want to build resistance when I escalate during or soon after the chase frames.

 

[Man-O]

Argh, I've had so much negative compliance with that question and the like because you just find them so natural and maybe fun to be the first thing to say.

"You come here often?" or "you club often?"
"You on man hunt?" or "you look like you're on man hunt"
Once I even got a girl explode with anger as she was buttering her bread. Me: "You sure that's good for you? ". It was meant as a tease/joke like I would the others above at times but she just turned around and got VERY MAD (she wasn't even fat btw). But since PU I haven't experienced anything half that madness haha.

Do not do them!
It gives sense. Girls don't want to be seen as sluts and when you give them those questions you're labelling them as sluts. When it's the first thing you ask in the conversation it's rly up hill. And "u like grinding the guys there." that's just hammering the nail very deep and yet still she forces a smile.

If I were you I'd search on girlschase about approaching and openers. There are plenty.

Also, you can't chase frame off the bat without investing in her first. Girls first start chasing when they're drawn to you. You'd need superb fundamentals (and be their type) to make them chase you from asking them questions without relating.

 

[Richard]

A few things very wrong here; for the both of you (Man-O, and LD).

Chase framing is different from sex framing. The former is designed as a statement that seems to suggest that the girl is going out of her way to do something for you, to you, etc. while sex framing is designed as a statement that suggests she is a sexual creature.

Neither can be used without first building some rapport (the only exception is "fate" encounters where a girl bumps into you, in which case you can say "You know, there are easier ways to get my attention" etc.) and making her feel comfortable with you. This rule can be totally broken if you have rock solid fundamentals.

Anyway, LD... in your case you were touching on a topic that she wasn't too excited about and the overall tone of the dialogue seemed bad so of course she wouldn't give in to a chase/sex frame. The energy and connection has to be there (she has to feel it) in order for these to work, and in case you haven't noticed, girls never feel this towards topics that they dislike or are neutral about. What you essentially are doing is taking a beaten topic and kicking it for good measure.

Man-O, borderline what you said, girls don't like to believe that you're judging them as being a slut. You can totally get away with calling a girl a slut to her face when you do it right and it's obvious that you are not judging her (ever fuck a girl and call her a dirty little slut? They eat it up). You control the signals you give out, and it's totally up to you to make sure you're not miscommunicating anything to her. Furthermore, women can be in any variety of moods that you cannot control so some girls just won't respond to sex frames because they're in a bad mood (recent break up and she hates men, pet died, got an F on a major exam) and in any other instance she'd respond perfectly to that frame.

The point is this: sex frames and chase frames are different, they both need to be used after building rapport, and you need to communicate that you don't judge people or her before you can use these to their maximum potential.

-Richard

 

[Man-O]

The point is this: sex frames and chase frames are different, they both need to be used after building rapport, and you need to communicate that you don't judge people or her before you can use these to their maximum potential.

-> Is this not the reason why you don't want to risk with stated openers? Simply as you can't build rapport prior the opener (else it would hardly be called an opener).
I've only used each opener 10+ times but I never got good compliance with them since the girls had heard it before, slut/party labelled them, it's not that interesting of a topic in general or they were just in a bad mood.
I can however agree you can easily come off with it later WHEN you've built rapport.