Close to breaking through

[Gsi2810]

Guys I posted this in the beginner's forum didn't get any response but I think this advice isn't really at beginner level (this is more intermediate IMO) so I think General section would be better suited:

Hi guys, I have intermediate at best level of game however talking comes naturally to me and I make a girl instantly comfortable and I incorporate a lot of teasing, she's giggling hard and I make sure that the humor comes off in such a way that she's the butt of all the jokes (her being cocky etc etc.) so that my value is preserved. However she's having a little too good of a time where I think I could benefit from some lower energy from her and sexualize a bit. Not that it never happens but I often stumble onto it with solid non verbal game along with my verbal skills like touching, eye contact etc. I just feel like I'm at an edge of a breakthrough I'm very solid in my interactions and can talk my way out of a paperbag if I can just nail this I know I can double or even triple my lays.

 

[Chase]

@Gsi2810,

Good that your verbals and humor are so strong. But how's the rest of your game?

• Do you get compliance from girls, compliance test them, and escalate investment?
• Do you move girls around with you, get them seated with you, and isolate them?
• Do you touch girls, get them touching you back, and escalate touch as you go?

When I used to take guys out for in-field coaching, I found a lot of students who signed up for coaching had strong verbals and could get girls laughing and having fun. That means a guy's in a great place -- he's able to create attraction. However, often they would go up, talk to girls, create attraction, then leave after 10 minutes, sometimes with the girl's phone number. But they wouldn't do anything else.

So most of the session would consist of me giving them little missions to push things to the next step:

1. The next time you get a girl flirting and laughing with you, I want you to move her a few feet over
   
   
2. (once they did that) Now I want you to move a girl, then start escalating touch and compliance with her
   
   
3. (once they did that) Next time, I want you to move a girl a few feet. Then once you've talked to her 4-5 minutes and escalated touch and compliance, I want you to take a seat with her and start deep diving and chase framing her
   
   
4. (once they did that) The fourth task was to get a girl seated with them, deep diving her, then after 20-30 minutes of that attempt to venue change her to a nearby diner. If it was too late in the night and the bars or clubs we were at were closing, I would see if I could find two girls we could pick up quick and take to a diner with us, just so the student could experience it. Then see if we could pull them to either their apartment or the student's apartment. If I couldn't find two girls, I'd send him in to approach a single girl, then jump in and help him pull her to a diner, and try to send the two of them back home together

The stuff that comes after the initial attraction is there is often fairly straightforward, you just have to do it. It is a.) move girls, b.) escalate compliance and touch, c.) isolate girls and build comfort, usually with deep diving, d.) venue change girls or go straight for the pull back home.

There is a bunch of more advanced stuff you can start adding in, such as seeding pulls in advance, using more advanced verbal techniques to create frames like scarcity, urgency, discretion, sexual open-mindedness, etc.

But if you just get the basics of picking up down, you can pick up a bunch of girls purely off that, even without doing the higher level stuff.

So, I'd suggest trying those things out first.

If you find you're having difficulty getting girls to move or sit with you, you may want to test doing some more screening and qualifying first.

Chase

 

[Gsi2810]

Thanks Chase that's why you are the man. I have not been doing any of this, tbh. It's just that in nightgame girls are always in a group and I don't have wings or am convincing some local guys at the bar to wing me who have terrible game and don't even want to be there. Oh well complaining gets one no where. This is surely a lot to digest and work on. Will keep you guys posted on the journey.