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DavidGray

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So last night, I attended this birthday party in another city. The bday girl put together a murder mystery party and I was playing Kevin Hart (love his work, hate him) so naturally, I wasn't too comfortable with it. I ended up hitting it off with a couple of girls there. Noticed the girl roleplaying Serena Williams was giving me IOI's and being the dick that I am, I ignored her. Later on, she came over to ask me a question, obviously trying to start up a convo, so I obliged and started talking. I'm not the kind of guy who goes out of my way to impress women so whenever a woman seems boring, I ignore her. Serena was trying hard to make me say stuff that interests her (She's probably a 7/8 with big tits and butt) and I just kept making her talk. Eventually, she went away. The bday girl dragged me aside and told me Serena was her cousin and I shouldn't even think about "it". I asked her what "it" was and she replied "Don't think you're going to get involved with her". I shrugged and walked away.

After a few hours, we all decided to head to the club, Serena said she didn't feel like going out, her cousin tried to convince but she kept looking my way to see if I would come help convincing. I ignored her still and told the other girls to get into the taxi so we got to the club before the queue got too long. We got to the club and behold! The line was long as fuck! After standing for a few minutes, I jumped the line and went straight to the bouncer. I've never been to this club but dude saw me and immediately let me in. I told him I had a few girls with me and he said I could go get them. Maybe it was my charming smile but I caught one cute girl and her friend on the line checking me out. I ignored as usual and got in. While waiting to drop our coats, a girl accidentally stepped on my shoes, she turned around and said "oh I'm sorry". I replied "it's okay. We were going to get divorced later anyway". She laughed and said "divorced? why?". I looked at her for about 5 seconds and replied "you tried to sweep me off my feet and failed". She laughed and introduced me to her friends. I saw the other cute girl and her friend coming in and her friend saw me and nudged the cute girl (let's call her CG).

I looked away because I was still engaging the other girls when some asshole walked up to us and started chatting shit. One of the girls was Chinese and this asshole goes "I love fucking Asian chicks. they have tight pussies". The girl was mad and wanted to walk off but I told her to come stand by me. By this time, CG and her friend were close by and watching the scene. Asshole started shouting at me and I gave him the blankest dead eyed stare ever. He kept on talking, telling me his boys were inside waiting on him so he could do anything he wanted. I kept my frame, staring him dead in the eye. He must have seen the animal in me because in my mind, I was already calculating where to hit him if he decided to attack (I do a little Krav Maga). He then said he was just busting my balls and I should smile since it was going to be a good night. I kept staring him down until he gave up and walked away. I could smell the wetness around. The girls I came with and the other group came to me and kept on commenting on how I scared the guy away without talking. CG and her friends were still there, checking me out. I got a few IOI's but decided to hold off a bit because my guts told me they were the types to make guys come over to them and shut them down.

We all get in and I tell them I need to walk around. the club was crowded so a lot of people were bumping into each other. Still found a way to move slowly though. Came back to the group of girls I had opened initially and danced with the Chinese girl for a bit then decided to get some water. Went over to the girls I had come in with and saw bday girl and Serena. Serena came over and said she didn't want to stay home alone and I just smiled. Took her to the dance floor and told her to grind her booty on me. And boy, did she try to grind my soul out of my body. I kissed her neck while she was grinding away when I saw CG and her friend close by. Friend tapped her and nodded in my direction. Our eyes locked for a bit and after a few seconds, she looked away. Not looking down, but to the side. I noted that and looked away too. after a while, I left Serena and went to dance with this white girl. Her friend came over and dragged her away from me. I pretended as though nothing happened.

Later on, serena came to stand by my side and said she wanted to go back home because she had to catch the train back to London in the morning. We exchanged numbers and I told her to kiss me on both cheeks. she smiled and kissed me on both cheeks. Tried to make her kiss me on the lips but she withdrew and said "not tonight". I said good bye and hugged bday girl who was grinning at me because apparently Serena was high class.

Got back to the dancefloor and decided to go meet CG and her friends. I still don't know where I went wrong here but help me analyse the situation critically. I walked up to her and said hi. She moved away. I did this about three times and she did the same thing so I went over to her friend and tried to start a convo. She moved away too. At this point, I felt a bit annoyed because I saw them checking me out and wondered what changed. Decided to leave them and go chill elsewhere when I saw some other girl who looked pissed off. I stood by her side and said "just point out whoever pissed you off and we'll go break his legs". She turned to me and laughed. she said some guy came over to grab her butt and I looked at her like she was booty meat and replied "I don't blame him". she looked away and kept frowning and I poked her cheek and said "you're so stubborn". She laughed again and we started talking. Apparently, she was there with two of her friends (one of them was short and fat). So guess who came to cockblock? You guessed right. The girl told her friend something and she stared at me, frowned and walked away.

I followed them and kept trying to keep the convo going but they totally ignored me so I left them alone. Went back to the dance floor and saw CG grinding on her friend. I looked at them for a moment and smiled. CG saw me staring and stopped dancing, whispered something to her friend and they moved to another part of the dance floor.

After awhile, I decided it was time to leave so I went to get my coat. Flirted with the coat checkgirl a bit when I saw CG and her friend coming to get their coats too. I walked up to her and said "so this is the game we're playing tonight, yeah?" She looked at her friend and they laughed and moved away. I stopped her and asked her for her name. She ignored me. I looked her dead in the eye for a moment and realised this girl was just here to play games as she was obviously hot. So I did something I shouldn't have done. I told her "you know. you are a wack bitch" and walked off. She said something but I didn't hear it. Walked out of the club, annoyed, when the bouncer said "you looked like you had a good night, man". I shook his hand and dapped him. He then said that I had lipstick stains on both cheeks. I paused a bit and then wiped them off. Serena, I thought and smiled.

So yeah, I need you guys to analyse that situation with CG and tell me what I should have done to get her. Because I saw the IOI's so I must have played my game wrong. Thanks.
 

Hue

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David,


Looking at the whole thing, it sounds to me like you could have gotten with Serena despite what birthday girl said, and that you could have dealt with CG better in a couple ways. From a lot of what's in here it sounds like you have some solid fundamentals, and are capable of thinking on your feet, so that's dope!
While waiting to drop our coats, a girl accidentally stepped on my shoes, she turned around and said "oh I'm sorry". I replied "it's okay. We were going to get divorced later anyway". She laughed and said "divorced? why?". I looked at her for about 5 seconds and replied "you tried to sweep me off my feet and failed"
Haha. Great line.

Serena came over and said she didn't want to stay home alone and I just smiled. Took her to the dance floor and told her to grind her booty on me.
Later on, serena came to stand by my side and said she wanted to go back home because she had to catch the train back to London in the morning. We exchanged numbers and I told her to kiss me on both cheeks. she smiled and kissed me on both cheeks. Tried to make her kiss me on the lips but she withdrew and said "not tonight". I said good bye and hugged bday girl who was grinning at me because apparently Serena was high class.
What stopped you from trying to leave with her, or at least saying something about leaving with her?
Did bday girl say that she was "high class" or was that your interpretation of her grinning?

Got back to the dancefloor and decided to go meet CG and her friends. I still don't know where I went wrong here but help me analyse the situation critically. I walked up to her and said hi. She moved away. I did this about three times and she did the same thing so I went over to her friend and tried to start a convo. She moved away too. At this point, I felt a bit annoyed because I saw them checking me out and wondered what changed
After you guys made eye contact and acknowledged each other you opened with "hi", multiple times. You know she's at least somewhat attracted because she was staring you down during the scene with that asshole.
Maybe you should have tried opening with a question or something that gets a conversation going. Or, as I've seen in Richard's FR's, something like "If you're gonna flirt with me like that you should at least say hello" and chase frame her.

I walked up to her and said "so this is the game we're playing tonight, yeah?" She looked at her friend and they laughed and moved away. I stopped her and asked her for her name. She ignored me. I looked her dead in the eye for a moment and realised this girl was just here to play games as she was obviously hot. So I did something I shouldn't have done. I told her "you know. you are a wack bitch" and walked off

Calling her a wack bitch and then leaving is being bitter. Like you said in one of your FR's it's important to keep your cool, always try and laugh it off!


Walked out of the club, annoyed, when the bouncer said "you looked like you had a good night, man". I shook his hand and dapped him. He then said that I had lipstick stains on both cheeks. I paused a bit and then wiped them off. Serena, I thought and smiled.
That's pretty funny. I wonder if girls noticed this inside with the lighting of the club.

Stay hustlin

Hueman
 

DavidGray

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Hueman,

Serena and Bday girl are cousins so Bday girl informed me of Serena being one of those girls who gets a lot of attention from guys. I couldn't leave with Serena because she came all the way from London to her cousin's bday and she had to be back in London later that day. Also I had plans to meet other girls so I decided to get her number and set up something instead.

As for losing control, I know I did lol. I know I let her pull me into her frame and lost my nerve so it was quite annoying. I've made some notes on that night and would like to share:

1. I'm not the high energy guy who goes around high fiving everyone and dancing vigorously. I tend to keep my cool a lot which is what I think is my problem with clubbing. I also hate shouting because I'm used to talking in a slow paced low tone (this actually annoys a lot of guys and girls because they feel like I'm projecting the idea of being better than them).

2. Because I get self conscious (without showing it), I tend to focus too much on logistics instead of flirting and touching girls. I actually struggle to touch girls when I see no form of IOI from them. I don't want to come off as a creep so I always observe and take my time.

3. I feel I could have gotten CG if I kept on with the eye contacts and playing flirting from afar. This, I have to work on, because I might go out this weekend and would want to give it a shot in the field. Any suggestions for this would be very helpful

4. I need to work extra hard on the sexual vibe I give off because like I said earlier, I'm always focusing on logistics which I know is bad. The last time I know I had an amazing sexual vibe was sometime last year when I pulled some girl from the club and took her home. I went straight into the "I want your mouth all over my dick" mood immediately I walked up to her. Still don't know how I channelled that part of me.

5. I've decided to do my drinking before heading out and only stick to water or a drink in the club. I feel this doesn't just save money but also keeps me alert.

I'd appreciate any further notes. Thanks.
 
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Dude, the first half of your night is solid. Really good shit.

The only issue I see is you opening CG multiple times. You don't want to follow girls around the club. I'd say for next time, open her once, and if she isn't responsive, wait like 30 minutes - approaching other groups and girls in that time frame - and then try again. Pre-selection and a different time of night can do wonders for you. Most likely she won't even remember you from the first time, to be honest.

Don't let girls get under your skin. You clearly have fundamentals and good wit. Just let that momentum from the beginning of the night carry you into the second half. As you go out more you'll learn what to avoid and what to go for that'll put you in the right frame of mind. Other than that, really good night out man! Keep it up!

Jake.
 

Hue

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3. I feel I could have gotten CG if I kept on with the eye contacts and playing flirting from afar. This, I have to work on, because I might go out this weekend and would want to give it a shot in the field. Any suggestions for this would be very helpful

4. I need to work extra hard on the sexual vibe I give off because like I said earlier, I'm always focusing on logistics which I know is bad. The last time I know I had an amazing sexual vibe was sometime last year when I pulled some girl from the club and took her home. I went straight into the "I want your mouth all over my dick" mood immediately I walked up to her. Still don't know how I channelled that part of me.

3. In my personal experience, eye contact / playful flirting from afar should be followed by approaching directly after or signaling the girl to come over. It shows confidence and interest. If you wait too long it might come off as indecisive / insecure.

4. Word, you know you have it. Sometimes it takes some shitty approaches in the beginning of the night before the beast comes out. In this case though, you were doing better in the beginning.

If you're low-energy type that can be tough in a club setting. Someone would probably need a super sexy vibe, combined with really strong eye contact and body language to make that work. With the large amount of distractions in a club this can hard, though.
It's definitely possible, but I have no experience with that style in a club. When I'm in a club setting I tend to be more on the high energy side and open girls with or without IOI's beforehand.

Solid self reflection man
Hueman
 

Mystique

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Hey David Gray,
I think why CG started avoiding you was that she autorejected after seeing you dancing heavily and flirting with Serena. It's natural for girls to do that. Also, you seemed to be jumping from one girl to the other without deciding who to focus on and take home. If you felt you couldn't move things forward with Serena, all you had to do is get her number. You don't have to flirt heavily or dance with her cause the attraction is already there and you're conscious of the girl you wanna take home (e.g CG). That's my own observations.
Other than that, you really had a good time and I can tell your fundamentals are good. That nonverbal stuff you did with the intruding guy is awesome. Keep on experimenting with the lower energy style of club gaming, it works very well too and I'm interested in seeing how you progress. But still feel free to be flexible and don't be too rigid.
 

DavidGray

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Update:

Meeting Serena sometime next weekend. Couldn't schedule this weekend because I've got other plans. Will keep you updated though.
 
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