LR Cute girl writes sticky note message on my windshield

[Michelangelo]

Hey guys,

So if you've been reading the general boards, you've probably already heard the beginning of this story, but as the title suggests, things definitely got interesting with this girl. Here's the jist of what happened from my earlier post.

She's a cutie, a brunette with green eyes and maybe 5'7". Green eyes with glasses (I love glasses). Looks a little like a young Jennifer Connelly, though admittedly probably a cup size smaller and a little curvier. (Though there's not many hotter than a young Jennifer Connelly). But she's got a tighter and thicker ass. She's 24.

So, this cute girl that lives in my apartment building that Ive seen maybe a dozen short times when I take my dog out to go to the bathroom, left a sticky note on my car:

Hi! Ran into you by the elevator with your dog again. Text me?
XXX-XXX-XXXX NAME

Now, for my style of game, I generally use a fisherman's type approach. I make myself to be an attractive lure for girls and once they bite, I generally take over most of the assertiveness and make most of the moves to pull her in. And here, with her note, I was positive I had this girl on my line.

We texted back and forth:

M: Hey Name, I got your little note on my car At first, I thought it was something from our building, but was pleasantly surprised to see it was from you ...it might have been a bit stalkerish, but it was cute, so I'll overlook that -Michelangelo

Her: Haha I haven't quite mastered stalking yet and couldn't find your place so I figured your car was the next best place!!

M: Well, you'll just have to try a little harder to find out where I live then ;p So I'm thinking, we should run into each other somewhere other than the elevator for once. Grab a bite to eat or drink?

Her: Haha sounds like I am going to have to!! I definitely think we need to! I would be down for either!

M: Are you free anytime soon? Tonight?

This turned out to be a minor hiccup, because as I would learn she was going to be out of town for over a week and to add to that she was actually moving out of our building when I last saw her just before she left that note. It turns out her leaving the note was a last ditch effort by her to get things going with me.

Here's the rest of the entire exchange over 10 days before the eventual meetup:

Her: No unfortunately I am gone until next Sunday. But I would love to do something then

M: That's a bummer I guess we'll both just have to be a bit more patient

Her: I know!! That might be a bit of a challenge haha

(That Sunday)

M: Name, hey! Hope your weekend was pleasant Let’s figure out a time to grab that bite to eat/drinks. How’s this week looking for you?

Her: Hi it was good! I am gone until a week from today Sunday...sorry I should have been more clear! I'm at my grandmas for the week of the fourth!

M: You're breaking my tender heart, Name! We'll have to wait a even longer now Have a wonderful fourth of July at your grandmas

Her: Well that's not what I want!! I'm thinking it will be worth the wait though haha thank you! Do you have any special 4th plans?

M: I'm working on the 4th unfortunately but I'm planning on going canoeing with my dog, this week

Her: Ooh I bet that's going to be a busy day! That sounds like a lot of fun

(I didn't continue the conversation so as not to get caught up in rapport texting and believe that at least giving a hint of what I'm doing would interest her and not make it seem like I'm ignoring the question)

(The next Sunday)

M: Good morning, Name! Hope your Fourth of July was fantastic and full of fireworks Are we still on for our little get together?

Her: Good morning! Ah yes it was filled with family, food and fireworks so it was wonderful! Yes I would like that!! haha when are you available?

M: I happen to be off both tonight and tomorrow night, if either works for you ...and you're tired of waiting

Her: Oh goodness! Haha I am tired of waiting!! And it looks like I might have to wait a little longer...:/ I'm free after Tuesday, don't think I'll get in until late tonight and I have a work thing tomorrow haha

M: Haha! You must be dying of anticipation after writing that note for what seems like ages ago One of these nights we'll finally get our chance to get together What nights are you free after Tuesday?

Her: Oh I am!! Haha although it was a long shot you even text me back in the first place! oh it's definitely going to need to happen sometime haha every night

M: Great! I'm thinking we should take a stroll together through (downtown where my apartment is), choose a place that catches our eye and go from there How does Wednesday night sound?

Her: Sounds wonderful!!

M: Perfect, see you Wed

Her: Can't wait

Essentially, I only texted her to figure out when she was going to be available and avoided rapport texting besides the occasional chase frame.

I focused only on the date, since I've had issues with girls when the logistics are bad that I thought, if I just keep texting before the first meet up, it would make her more comfortable. In reality, things would simmer out and sometimes not happen.

However, I definitely need to work on my logistics planning, though my excuse is that most of that was due to not wanting her to lose interest by getting into rapport texting too much, which had been an actual annoyance of mine. Her bad logistics could at least be explained away as bad luck and timing and me being persistent but aloof when things didn't work, seemed to make her remained interested. And she was unavailable or busy, but made sure to meet up the first chance she got.

(Wednesday, the day of the date)

M: Good morning Name, the wait is almost over How does kicking things off together at 730 sound?

Her: Getting close!! Haha that's works for me!

M: Hey, so I'll meet you in the front lobby by the mailroom, see you soon!

Her: Currently stuck in traffic but I am hurting (her typo)
Her: Hurrying

M: I could give you a few minutes, so you don't have to be in such a rush

Her: I'll be close

M: Let me know when you're a minute or two away

Her: Got it!!
Her: Almost there

(Now for the actual date)

So, when things started, we walked through a park downtown looking at restaurants that would interest us. We talked a little about family, work etc., and I made sure to tease her how much she liked me by leaving the note. She saw a restaurant that I've been to before didn't really care for the vibe and I steered things away to this more laid back lounge restaurant, which she agreed and said wherever I want to go she's okay with.

We get inside the lounge and get a table together and share an appetizer over drinks. We had conversations about life, hobbies and all that jazz. I peppered in a few of jokes and there was definitely a lot of intimacy between us. We finished the appetizer and she had one drink to my two. I asked for the check, which we split down the middle and I suggested we walk around outside for a bit.

Outside, she mentions that she has work at 5am (it was now 9pm), but mentions she doesn't want to go home yet. Seeing this as the opportunity to take her home or lose her to the excuse of work, I suggest to her to come upstairs and see my dog again, with the excuse that I need to take him out to go to the bathroom (he honestly was going to be fine, but it worked).

We get upstairs and my dog gets excited and she's excited to see him. We take him outside and while there, my dog legitimately accidentally makes me brush my hand over her ass. I laugh it off and honestly say it was my dog, to which she playfully acts incredulously. Now, I see this as an opportunity to explore some playful touch, so grab her ass a moment later and blame it on my dog again. She laughs and plays along.

We head back upstairs and I grab her ass a few times on the way up and she jokingly says that, I think at this point, it's hardly a mistake. I smile and say, you got me, it's been completely me. I put my dog into his cage and show her around my studio apartment a bit with my arms around her.

She sees my paintings and is really impressed. She remarks that she does watercolors but isn't that good. I turn her around to face me, and she is showing clear signs of wanting me to kiss her at that moment, so of course, I do. We kiss for about three seconds and I pull away teasingly. I tell her to sit down with me and we continue things.

I escalate to kissing her neck and other secondary arousal areas and then teasingly stop again. I tell her, let's turn off the lights and we both head towards the light switch, keeping physical touch by kissing the entire way. We turn off the light and continue walking and kissing in the dark and I push her gently onto the bed.

I continue escalating, focusing on the secondary areas. I've found from experience that these areas are more of a turn on and builds instead of removes sexual tension. I slowly took off her clothes, as I headed downstairs, all the while kissing the body parts I'm exposing. I take off her pants and start going down on her, starting outside and around, until going in and focusing on her clitoris.

Normally, when I go down on a girl, I will gladly finish her off, but as a first date, I feel that's not the ultimate goal. So, just before she's about to climax I stop and then proceed to thrust and rub my thigh against her, to keep the physical tension. She takes my pants off and starts going down on me. I let her go for about a minute and quickly bring her back up to kiss her and then push her again back onto the bed, with both of us completely naked.

It's pretty clear what happens next. Without going into too much detail, we finish and after, she lays her head on top of me. She thanks me for the great time and says she should get going, since she has to wake up early for work. We get dressed and say goodnight and I tell her to text me when she gets home safe.

Her: Made it home

M: Good Had a great time with you the entire night tonight, sweet dreams!

Her: Yeah me too!! Goodnight

 

[JacobPalmer]

Great post, everything was smooth and calibrated, doesn't get too much better than that. Congrats! The jokes about the ass grabbing were clever, and you gave her some good deniability to coming back to your place for your dog. Good job.

 

[Fuck This]

Well done. I like your "Fisherman Style" Does she live in your building? How does that work with your overall dating mindset? I'll be looking forward to the followup and relationship /plate management on this obviously attracted woman...

 

[Michelangelo]

F_T,

She no longer lives in my building I learned when we met for the date. She was apparently moving out of the building when I met her that last time in the elevator, just before she wrote that note on my windshield.

The "fisherman's style" I've incorporated is mainly because I'm rather introverted and not an experienced pick up artist tbh. It obviously lowers the number of opportunities with girls, but the ones that do show their interest have a higher chance of working out from my experience. Also, it requires you to have solid fundamentals and attractiveness because girls rarely make that first bite without those. I think I have incorporated that style because it makes things go really smooth on dates, because I can always naturally use a chase frame as the foundation of the interaction since she made the first move.

I must emphasize though, that if anyone is on this site to learn seduction, it's not really going to push your boundaries or teach you anything about becoming a great seducer. To learn that style, you need to become comfortable using a broad net to catch girls instead of a lure.

 

[Michelangelo]

Disappointing update:

So this girl who was initially really into me, might have just ghosted me haha. It sucks but it happens sometimes. I'm posting this to get some advice and for others to learn from my mistake. What I learned was that even if the lay was really easy, don't rest on your laurels and think everything is still easy as cake.

When this story left off, we just had the great date that ended up with sex and me sending her the post date text telling I had a great time, to which she agreed.

The next day, I tried to to set up another meet up and she says she's busy. No big deal, it happens. Here's the exchange:

M: Hey name, let's get together again soon what does your exact schedule look like again?

Her: Hey I work tomorrow and have to deal with the cat haha then Friday I'm busy with my roomies.

M: Ah that's too bad you're busy all day I'll be relaxing in my canoe on one of your 10,000ish lakes
(I learned on the date that she has a goal to visit all the lakes in Minnesota)

Her: Oh shut it!! Haha you don't have to rub it in!

M: That's weird, last night you practically begged me to rub it in you

Her: Well that's something else completely

Now that text turns out to be the last thing she texts me.

Unfortunately, I knew I was going to be busy the week after I tried to set things up the next day. So, I decided that since we didn't text much leading up to the initial date that it would be okay not to text her unless she texts me. However she doesn't text for that week, so we did not speak for a week at this point.

When my schedule clears up I send this text:

M: Hey Name! Sorry I've been radio silent this past week, I wasn't ignoring you, I just got so slammed with work 6 out of 7 days that everything outside of work got pigeonholed. Anyway, things have cleared up a bit, I'm thinking spending some time together would be a nice way to unwind ;p Have any available days to meet up?

No response from her. I thought since things ended so well with our first date that I would get leeway, but it appears to have been a bad decision. I waited 5 days to give her time to not appear needy and then text this:

M: Hey Name it seems you must be super busy and I’m not really good at the whole chase-you-down thing, so I’m leaving the ball in your court. Though, it would be a great tragedy if we don't see each other again after the great time we had together the other night! Just let me know when, once your schedule permits Good luck with everything, hope you get to see all your lakes

I was attempting to still be warm and not needy with this text. She still doesn't respond to this text. Now I start to panic a bit I think, because it seems like I may have let her off the fishing line when I should have focused more on reeling her in. I then send this text 2 days later:

M: Hoping nothing seriously bad happened to you after your last text Haha, quite frankly, I'm flabbergasted why we've been unable to keep things going after the chemistry we had together. But no pressure to meetup, just drop me a text, so I at least know you're okay

I'm definitely starting to sound desperate here. Mostly because I was genuinely confused how I messed things up so badly haha. And now it's been 2 more days since that last text and still no response. So in total she's not sent a single text in two weeks.

It appears Ive been ghosted, which is actually a first time it has happened to me. You'd expect girls would usually at least give a conciliatory text to end things. Also, Ive never had a one-night stand before as this has now turned out to have been. It's a lesson learned at least about how to manage girls better. If you think she's on the line, don't just assume it. Girls always need to be worked on, and ignoring them is a terrible idea. I would have gotten more leeway with rapport texting if I did it during that week we didn't talk since we had gone to bed together at the end of that first date.

I do wonder if she might ever be receptive in the future or if she might ever reach out on her own. Though with how I handled the radio silence might have lowered that possibility. I've definitely showed some weaknesses in my frame that she didn't see when we got together.

If you guys have any advice or other insights, I'm all ears and as always really appreciate it. Hope others can learn from this just as much as I learned from it. This post was a sort of catharsis as a way for me to close this "relationship" mentally and to now focus on new girls.

 

[naturalmikey]

sex isn't as big of an investment for girls until it happens twice. you really have to keep gaming her after sex the first time. you can't text the next day and ask to see her again. i try to wait for her to text. if she doesn't in a couple days i'll ping her like she's any other girl.

 

[Michelangelo]

Any ideas what to say specifically?

I was thinking I'd just move on from this girl unless she texts first. Persistence is good, but at some point I can't just keep pinging her. I can maybe see trying a month from now though

 

[Fuck This]

In my book, three strikes and she's out. She may have some other guy(s) she's involved with, Or some great personal tragedy. You don't know...

Easy come, easy go...that's the story of life...

 

[JacobPalmer]

There's not a whole lot you did wrong here, but just a few things to take away here.

1. You texted a bit too soon trying to set up plans again. I would have waited another 1-2 days.
2. To me, the "sext" bit you sent almost seemed a bit forced, and I cringed a bit when I read it for some reason.
3. I would have asked her when she's free at this point, not what her exact schedule is. Even when I read that word "exact" I thought to myself, "woah, why does that sound so...harsh? Or maybe intense is a better word."
4. You text after the week of silence is fine, but maybe just a bit too long. Shorten it and spread the convo out a bit.
5. The Ball-in-your-court text.....nonononono. Way too soon my friend. Not in terms of time, but in attempts made. Sending that after she didn't respond once is way too fast. 3 times of dodging or no responses is when you can send that. You came off as really needy and insecure here.
6. And then you kindof ruined the ball in your court text by texting her again after the fact haha. The ball in your court text is the final text you sent, and then you go silent.

Anyway, I think what's more important to look at is what happened on the date. Was the sex incredible, or just ok? Did she orgasm? Because she seemed really receptive until after you slept together, and just slightly less so.

Also, tone down the emojis/emoticons just a bit. not to 0, but just slightly less.

 

[TrickyD]

Very tough to turn a same-day lay into a regular thing. Best to decide which you want.

 

[Michelangelo]

JP,
Yeah I agree, I definitely didn't handle it as well after the date, I got a little complacent.
1. I only tried that text because I knew I'd be busy for a week and got a little greedy to sneak in another meeting.
3. Yeah wording of exact was terrible, she told me her schedule on the date, and I wasn't precise when asking for clarification. Also, girls don't want you to know their "exact" schedule because that's very constricting to her freedom. It's boxing her in to trying to force her when she's "free". Bad, bad, bad

The sex was actually amazing, which is what kind of confused me. I went down on her and brought her to the door of orgasm and then stopped to tease her. We then proceeded to sex and because of how close she was to climax the pelvic stimulation made her cum quickly and I finished inside her soon after. Afterwards she laid her head on my chest for a few minutes before leaving. I think the problem is that I became needy after the sex almost immediately and she must have felt it.

I have a theory that women's memory are significantly impacted by their current emotional state. How she feels now can actually change what she remembers. After she saw me become needy, it changes how she feels the sex was. I could be wrong, but I've had girlfriends who have told completely different versions of memories based off of their current mood (good and bad and not necessarily about sex). It's really interesting, and I feel like men do this too, but a lot less. My point being that it doesn't even matter if the sex was good, how she sees me now makes her memory of it worse. As a corollary, relatively bad sex, if she currently had good emotions, will be viewed as good sex.

Thanks for the advice, JP!

 

[Michelangelo]

TrickyD,

Interesting point, why exactly do you think that is?

This was admittedly my first first-day-lay and never knew of this risk. All of my relationships have started with sex after a couple of dates. In fact, Ive never had a girl ghost me like this after one date. When I had this one-day lay, I was assuming things were going to be much easier. I was wrong haha

 

[TrickyD]

I think that at this point

“M: That's weird, last night you practically begged me to rub it in you

Her: Well that's something else completely “

You made her choose between categorizing you as ONS or boyfriend material. And you hadn’t made her cum twice (two different days) yet, so you weren’t a boyfriend yet. So you must be a ONS.

A bit too sexual with the texting then, and then a bit too needy after that. Sorry, but that’s a bad combination. As I know all too well!