FR Damn my height

[fsc]

Went out to Hollywood on Friday night with my buddy in pursuit of the vajayjay. I wasn't feeling very social, so I took a shot of espresso and did a few cart wheels on the street to get my social momentum started. They helped a little. We entered a club, walked around inside, then stood and stared around for about 5 minutes. My buddy got a cold response from a hot blonde he opened, so he suggested we try out the dance floor. I made my way into a group of girls and started dancing with a big booty black chick (I actually can't dance. I was pretty much stepping side to side and clapping. LUL). She started grinding on me anyway. However, she was taller than me (I stand 5'7") so she was actually grinding on my tummy. After about 15 seconds of that, she gave me a "LOL...this nigga" type of look then found a black guy to grind on. HAHAHA. His penis happened to be around the same height as her booty, so kudos to his genes. I looked over and saw my buddy dancing and talking to an Asian chick, so I let him be and "danced" my way out of the floor and strolled another lap around the club.

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I spotted a good-looking Viet-Cambodian girl (shorter than me, yay) looking bored and standing by herself a few feet away from her group, so I opened her.

Me: Hi
Her: Hi
Me: How's your night so far?
Her: Good
Me: Is it somebody's birthday? (Pointed my chin to the group of girls sitting on the couches next to us)
Her: Yeah, they are my friends. Birthday girl is on the dance floor somewhere.
Me: I see. When is your birthday? (Terrible question, I know. I was still feeling quite socially lame at this point)
Her: Haha, are you interviewing me?
Me: Yeah, why not? I'm a journalist. (No, I'm not...This is another one of many lame things I said. The entire convo was lame actually. Now that I reflect on it, I should've said something like "I think you're cute. So naturally, I want to get to know you. I mean, if you want to skip this part of the courtship we can bounce out of here" with a playful-sexy grin or whatever)
Her: OMG really? I was born on mm/dd
Me: Cool. I'm actually not an blargurgurarger
Her: What? (Leaning in)

I actually said "blargurgurarger" or something of that sort. I used the deafening loudness of the music to mask my lack of social/mental functionality. So to the newcomers: don't be afraid to freeze or fuck up. It's perfectly fine. I've actually fucked up even worse during daygaming and social circle, but I think I'm doing fine today. Anyway, I continued the lame convo thinking "come on, give me something to work with" until she excused herself to go the restroom with 4 other girls.

At one point during the interaction, a guy dancing on the adjacent couch bumped into her, so I suggested "we should move over there", pointing to a spot LITERALLY one step away. She replies "no...I should stay with my friends". DA FCK? Also during the conversation I tried to deep dive, but her responses were short and boring:

Me: So what made you want to become a nurse?
Her: (Pause) I don't know (pause). I worked at a hospital so I wanted to become a nurse.

Upon reflection, I guess I could've said "hmm...why nurse? Why not a doctor? You love helping people but I'm guessing performing surgeries is a bit too much?" or something like that, but screw it. I mean, I asked this chick what she does in her free time and her response was "mmm...I just go to school and work. My life is boring." Although her responses weren't too helpful in moving the interaction forward, she did put in some effort to keep the ball rolling by asking me about myself.

I just left the club after finding out my buddy was already outside because I didn't think I was gonna get anywhere with her. What would you have done in a situation like this? Was this turn-around-able?

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Left the club and entered a bar down the street. Stood in the middle of the bar for a minute scoping out the place. Spotted two chicks sitting at the bar. Started walking towards the one I wanted. She looks like the offspring of Kiera Knightley and Tori Black. Her friend got up and went to the bathroom (not because of me though).

Me: You are really cute and I wanna talk to you (talking in a low tone and slow pace, smoothly pulling her friend's barstool out). I'll keep you company until she comes back (sitting on the bar stool. She's intrigued, her mouth is slightly open and smiling with the "what? Is this guy serious?" look). I'll take off when she comes back (friendly-sexy grin. Trying to rid her worries of me being a social burden)
Her: Haha...Hi, what's your name?
Me: fsc. Yours?
Her: Hannah (handshake. Might have been able to pull off kissing the back of her hand, but she was my second girl of the night so I doubt my vibe was sufficient enough)

We start talking. Our convo was pretty good; I'd ask a basic question, we'd deep dive a little bit, then the conversation would casually transition into small talk. There would be a slight pause, then either of us would dive deeper or open a new thread. I don't remember how, but she mentions something about dominating.
Me: So would you say your personality is generally dominant?
Her: Mmm...yeah (her eyes squint just a teeny bit. I'm pretty sure BDSM popped up in her mind)
I continue regular conversation. How would you have continued to make the convo sexual?

Her: Where's your drink?
Me: I actually don't drink
Her: ...Then what are you doing at a bar? (smiling, curious)
Me: Talking to pretty girls like you (said calmly with a sexy grin)
Her: Hahahaha (she gently shakes her head "oh boy". I can feel her interest rise). So...who are you here with? Did you come alone?
Me: I came with a couple of friends, but they fell into a hole (I believe Chase gets credit for this)
Her: Haha, and you just chose to come to a bar instead of helping them out?
Me: Well, (playful smirk) they have phones. They can call for help. I'd rather be talking to you
Her: What a good friend you are haha

I deep dive about her work and stuff. She's a video editor currently working on a documentary. We make good eye contact, our arms and legs touch on and off. I didn't get a good chance to physically escalate, unfortunately.

Me: So what did you think about the 50 Shade of Grey trailer?
Her: The what?
Me: 50 Shades. Are you telling me you haven't read the book?
Her: No, I actually haven't read it. Have you?
Me: Yeah
Her: Haha! Why, did you read it?
Me: It was popular among the ladies, so I was curious
Her: Isn't it basically porn?
Me: Pretty much haha
Her: I'd rather watch porn
Me: Haha. So you watch porn
Her: Yeah, of course! Everyone does.
Me: Haha, you're quite a badass for being open about it (I should've kept this sexual, to encourage openness, but I gave her a high five. Shit. Prolly made things a bit too friendly)
I continue regular conversation again. Being sexual is definitely my sticking point right now. Sometimes I can make it happen smoothly, but I usually seem to let it pass by. What would you have done to make this sexual?

Her friend returns from the bathroom, casually walks by me without any acknowledgement, and sits on the bar stool next to me, so now the seating configuration is [Hannah's friend] [me] [Hannah] [empty]. I move over to the empty stool on the other side of Hannah, and my buddy moves in from out of nowhere, takes my old seat, and opens Hannah's friend. I can see the friend's facial expression, and it doesn't seem like it'll go well.

Hannah: Umm...who is this guy?
Me: He's actually my friend. I guess he made it out of the hole
Her: Well...her boyfriend is here so...hopefully your friend won't get his ass beat.
Me: Haha, that'd be fun to watch (short pause). So where's your boyfriend?
Her: He's at home. Well (abruptly)...he's not really...I don't know
Me: I see (calmly looking into her eyes, slightly more intensely)
Her: We're just sorta like talking...He isn't really my boyfriend. He's kinda boring

My buddy gets shooed away by Hannah's friend's boyfriend. It doesn't seem like he has any other girls to open, so I opt to number close and take off. Hannah and I talk a little more.

Me: So what's your schedule like during the week?
Her: I just work full time
Me: Do you do anything after work?
Her: Nope. I do NOTHING
Me: I see. Well, I'm gonna take off now, but let me get your number real quick, so we can meet up and do SOMETHING

She smiles, but it quickly fades into what seemed like half hesitation (because boyfriend?) and half disappointment. I prolly should've continued escalating, especially since her friend and her friend's boyfriend seemed very nonchalant about me, but I had to drive my buddy home. She adds me on Facebook instead of giving me her number, she gets up to go to the bathroom, and I get up to leave at the same time. Now, up to this point when we were both seated on the bar stool, we were eye level. When we both got up we stood facing each other, and my eyes were level with her collar bones. HOLY SHIT. Fuck my height.

We smoothly part ways.

Later in the night, my buddy and I turn around at an intersection to find the trio behind us. My buddy chuckles "are you following us?", but we only receive a lukewarm chuckle in return. As they cross the street, I say out loud "night Hannah", but she says nothing back. I text her a simple greeting message, but no response yet. I'll send another soon, but I expect to be placed in the orbiter slot.

Do you see any points of improvement? Any advice/feedback is appreciated.

 

[StoicMind]

A lot of missed opportunities in both sets especially the second one.

What would you have done in a situation like this? Was this turn-around-able?

Every situation is turn-around-able in my opinion, if you know how and don't let the present failure lower your state. When a girl is not giving you much to work with one thing you can do is make her feel bad for doing so and if she's into you she'll make the effort to give you a bit more. I might say, "I can leave if you want" if I feel she's cold, most girls aren't going to be like "Ok" cause they'll feel like shit, she might ask why and you can say "you seem very distant" and that can turn into another tangent in itself. You can also just say, "You're boring" or "You're too boring to be in a place like this." Aside from that your questions weren't really that good, but it's good that you noticed and even came up with better questions after the fact. Just work on being in the moment and getting the good stuff out when it's necessary.

How would you have continued to make the convo sexual?

It could have been as simple as "Do you like to dominate in EVERYTHING you do?" or "So do you feel like you could dominate me?" or "So you like to make people your little bitch" "You like BDSM, don't you"

What would you have done to make this sexual?

Simple. After she said she watched porn, I'd ask, "What do you watch/ like?" or say "I bet you have some weird fetish." I've actually been in a situation when a girl admitted to me that she watched porn and I acted surprise. She said the same thing, "Everyone watches Porn" and I said "I don't" she was like "really?" "I said yeah, I'd rather make a porno, than watch one" She loved that.

In general don't be too hung up on saying necessarily the right things, as long as they get the job done. If you want to steer the conversation in a sexual direction just do it as smoothly as possible. The smoothness and quick wit will come you just need to learn how to create the structure the conversation and manipulate it to your liking. I know guys who just cold read girls and say " You're a dirty/bad girl" that's how they open or they will just say it abruptly in mid convo . It's not very smooth but now they've created the frame they wanted

 

[fsc]

I might say, "I can leave if you want" if I feel she's cold, most girls aren't going to be like "Ok" cause they'll feel like shit, she might ask why and you can say "you seem very distant" and that can turn into another tangent in itself.

This is awesome.

I was actually feeling very antisocial that night. I used to stay home whenever I felt like that, but recently I've started going out even if I felt like being a hermit crab or even if I was tired. It's quite a challenge to try to succeed in such a state because the socializing part of my brain just does not seem to be working, but I enjoy it. I like challenges.

It could have been as simple as "Do you like to dominate in EVERYTHING you do?" or "So do you feel like you could dominate me?"

Also awesome.

Simple. After she said she watched porn, I'd ask, "What do you watch/ like?" or say "I bet you have some weird fetish."

I considered saying the former, but this is where her friend returned from the bathroom. I didn't want the first thing out of my mouth her friend hears to be "so what kind of porn do you watch?" Now that I reflect on it, judging by her indifference, her friend might not have reacted negatively on it.

I said yeah, I'd rather make a porno, than watch one" She loved that.

Golden

Much thanks