This will involve both calls and texts 
About her / the approach:
Texting (May 1st 5/1 - 6/4):
Call (6/4):
Call (6/5):
Texting 6/5:
Next steps:
About her / the approach:
- Timing: late April
- Location: day game, department / clothing store in a suburb
- Background: originally from Taiwan
- Age: early to mid 30s
- Her outfit: various luxury brands with logos plastered from head to toe; she later tells me her ring is from Alexander McQueen
- I thought she was a tourist at first with all of that bling-bling
- Told me her dad is a famous celebrity in Taiwan
- She's in this area and working with a business partner to set up a boba store
- Didn't seem like she had any entrepreneurial / formal experience from our chat
- Likely her dad's money, my guess
- She's living in a suburb 30 mins away and new in town (this will be very important later on)
- Mentioned that she can't drive and once crashed the car of an ex when he was teaching her how to drive
Apparently, 2 guys approached her when she was walking here even though she was 'trying to blend in' (her words)- I was reflecting on this and thought it was complete BS
- 1st she can't drive so they must have parked in the parking lot / Uber / Lyft so not sure how so many guys are hollering at her in such a short time
- Also never heard a girl that has been approached twice in quick succession in a day time situation in the suburbs
- Think this is her way of DHV, just a thought
- She's just here to kill time while her friend is getting her hair done
- I forgot what triggered this thread, but I said my ex-gf is from Taiwan
- Actually, this was a tourist who I was together for just 1 day lol
- I have a picture of her from a chat app and showed it to the target
- Right away she mentioned that the ex is really pretty
- I told the target that as a singer (she was like a voice / singing coach) she has nothing to worry about
- She's wearing a lot of make-up: heavy foundation, eyeliner, mascara, etc.
- I took down her number instead of using the Skills method
- Normally, girls just let that be, but she took out her phone, added me as a contact, and called me from her phone so I could have her number
- Saw this as a big sign of interest
- I asked her when she's generally free
- She said she'll let me know
- She likes to turn up sometimes after 10pm even on weekdays...
- She and her friend were going out tonight
- She loves going going out to KTVs
- I'm not too familiar with them, but I think it's a bunch of guys singing and drinking with girls
- A lot of these girls are hired by the venue (they get paid well), but there are guest girls too
- I pegged her as the club girl archetype
Texting (May 1st 5/1 - 6/4):
- 5/1:
- how's the partying last night
- [Responds with a video within 1 min] she sends a thirst trap selfie video. She looks literally nothing like when we first met. She's all dressed up and looks at least 10 years younger. She's inside what I presume is a KTV (not sure). She's throwing her hair back like 5 times and making sultry looks at the camera. There's like flashing lights as she walks around the floor. Tons of guys and girls are drinking in the background
- seems like you had a lot of funnn
- is this the ktv
- No response
- 5/2:
- [Eyes emoji]
- No response
- 5/6:
- [Plan was to gaslight] no hi? looks like you just want free attention lol
- No response
- I forget about her and de-prioritize
- 5/26:
- [She calls me out of the blue, but I don't answer as I'm out]
- Hey
- i was out with friends
- what's up
- Nothing
- Just wanna say hi
- i thought you were dead
- how's your boba shop coming along
- She normally responds in a few minutes but didn't respond for an hour. I was really tired at this time. After re-analyzing the text, my brain picked up that random hi = time to soft close
- [I double text an hour later] forgot to say we should hang out soon
- Yeah maybe next weekend?
- cool - let's figure out details a few days from now
- Ok
- 5/27 - 6/3:
- A bit of banter
- We tried finding time to meet but our schedules didn't align
- 6/4:
- I send her a simple voice message asking her how she's doing
- She calls me 1 min later
Call (6/4):
- It lasted 5 mins
- She's living in a hotel temporarily
- This call was on Tuesday, and she said she'll be on a trip to visit her friend and some business stuff for a week in another city starting Thursday
- She's looking for a permanent place to rent after she comes back from the trip
- She stays up all night until the early morning cuz her 'company' is in Taiwan, so she has to work Taiwan hours
- She asked me if I was free to meet that day, since she didn't have any meetings until midnight
- It was hot as hell, and I didn't want to go anywhere so I declined
- I asked her if she was free tomorrow (Wednesday)
- She said she'll let me know
- Apparently, someone was calling her so she had to go, and we both disconnected
Call (6/5):
- This happens the next day
- It was already Wednesday evening ~6pm, and I just finished a workout
- I thought she just ghosted and kind of forgot about her
- I had plans to meet up with someone this evening and get food since she didn't respond
- I checked my phone and she texted asking what I'm doing cuz she just got off a Zoom meeting
- When I get home, I called her
- I had issues dialing her multiple times and it said call failed
- Then she calls me
- This call lasted 15 mins
- [In a cute voice] Heyyy. You called?
- Yeah, I have no idea what's going on. I tried calling you, but it kept saying call failed
- It's ok. What's up?
- Just came back from the gym. Whatchu doing this evening?
- Well, I don't have any meetings. I just need to finish a PPT [PowerPoint] and book my plane tickets
- Her flight was tomorrow, and she still hasn't bought her tickets. Wow...
- Did you say PowerPoint? I can tell that you're a strong businesswoman and [something about how important it is to present concepts visually, etc.]
- I hate being called a strong businesswoman. Why do we have to attach gender to things?
- Alright scratch that. You're a weak businesswoman
- She laughs
- Since you don't have a lot on your plate, we should hang out, and you can come to [my city, which is 30 mins away from her]
- I can't drive... my friend told me that if a guy likes a girl, then he should be willing to go anywhere to meet her no matter the distance
- Sounds like your friend is a very romantic person, but maybe too idealistic. Maybe you should tell her to become a director who specializes in making romance movies
- She laughs
- Well, since I can't drive, I normally just take Uber to go places, but I don't want to go that far. Can you come to [my city] and pick me up instead?
- Maybe later this evening since it's a bit far and I got to get ready
- Looking back, should I have persisted harder at this point for her to come over instead of me going there? I could have told her to take an Uber...
- Ok, that'll be great. Oh yeah, one more thing
- What's that?
- I only have a little bit of makeup on and also not very dressed up. I'm afraid you won't think that I'll look pretty enough for you
- Not a problem. I'm not a judge for Miss Taiwan 2024
- She laughs
- Oh, I've been meaning to ask, was the girl in the video that you sent me you? You looked so different during the day
- Yeah, that's me. I just changed up my outfit, did my hair, and put on makeup
- Got it, so where should I go to fetch you? Are you saying I should go to your hotel?
- You can come to my hotel and pick me up, lobby only. I'm not letting you come up to my room... yet
- Who said I was going to your room? I don't want you to kidnap me. So where are you staying again?
- I'm at [name of motel]
- I put her on speaker and look up the motel on Maps
- The motel is in an industrial zone with warehouses in bumble fuck nowhere and 40 mins away, far from her city's downtown
- [Name], why are you staying there? I would have expected you to be in downtown where there's more stuff going on. Shouldn't you be living in a mansion?
- Well, um... I have 3 cats, and no other hotel nearby would accommodate them. By the way, do you like cats?
- Huge red flag to me
- I hesitated to respond cuz I didn't know how
- I became less enthusiastic about our meet up
- My friend is about to adopt a cat, and she's excited about it
- Cats are super fun
- I checked the traffic on Maps, and it's looking really bad right now
- You know [name], let's just grab coffee at [name of cafe that I did research on previously] in downtown [her city]. The traffic's looking pretty bad. I can take the train, we can meet in downtown [her city], and we can go from there. We can meet at 7:30
- Dude, I want you drive over and pick me up in your car now. Why do you have to take the train, and why do we have to wait until 7:30 [it's 6:10 now]? That coffee place is also closing soon. Just put on a shirt and drive over here. I'm already not wearing a lot of makeup, so you don't have to be fancy. We're gonna get coffee, maybe dinner, then go for a drink at the bar, and we can even do KTV. Do you like KTV by the way? We're gonna have a blast tonight
- Uh oh
- She was being very demanding here from my perspective
- The dinner thing was already too much for me, and given that her statement was delivered all at once, I was overwhelmed and didn't know how to respond
- She clearly wanted to be the one to set the frame and dictate the 'rules of engagement'
- How should I have gone about this?
- I have a good feeling that if I said something that went directly against her the call would have ended
- I actually don't drink
- This phrase is true, but I just blurted it out
- Put 0 thoughts in it
- Why?
- Alcohol damages my voice and impacts my health... so why are you so insistent that I pick you up? We should just meet in downtown [her city] first. I'll take the train, and you can take your Uber there
- I want you to pick me up. I want it to be a real date. I love men who drive me around in their cars
- Wtf?
- What should I have said?
- Let's see, I'm checking the traffic now... you promise not make the car dirty? I don't like people who put take their shoes off and put their feet on the car dashboard
- I was trying to win part of the frame back
- So you think I'm gonna mess up your car?
- Well, I've had some bad experiences in the past
- Look, we're supposed to have a good time, and you think I'm here to make your car dirty. I'm not sure if I want to do this. I like men who are decisive, and you take forever to make a decision. If you don't wanna come, I can find other things to do tonight and work them into my schedule
- [Name], I asked you yesterday whether you're free to meet up. You had one day to reply and for us to figure out logistics, and now everything is unfolding and blowing up over the phone... let me just text you in a few mins
- She hangs up abruptly
Texting 6/5:
- [5 mins after the call above ends, I should not have sent this, it's like a Hail Mary lol] i'll drive over
- how long is it gonna take for you to get ready
- I don't wanna see you anymore
- Feeling is not right
- you want me to drive 40 mins
- and I've known you for 10 mins
- you'd think hard about it too if you were me
- I don't like indecisive guys. I especially don't like guys who are afraid of girls getting their car dirty
- it ain't my car
- you took a day to get back to me and want me to drive over asap
- i'm not indecisive, you're being unreasonable and i'm not your bf
- forget it we both need some space
- Ok fine I don't want to talk to you anymore
- Ok I've always been a demanding and overbearing woman. I don't care what you said about me
- If you're not gonna go for a beautiful woman other men will be fighting to get with her
- I almost fucking died re-reading this last line
- After being absolutely dumbfounded with what happened on the call and over text, I reached out to my ex (see the first section for details on her)
- I wanted to get a better perspective on the local dating culture
- I screenshotted the text with the girl above and sent it to the ex, asking if all Taiwanese women are like this
- Here's her response:
- Cuz Taiwan guys are very nice
- Taiwan girls are extremely spoiled
- Us Taiwan girls are proud of this
Next steps:
- I haven't texted her, and it's been a week since what happened above (at the time of this writing)
- She just came back this week from another city, so I think that could be a reset
- My diagnosis is she's in auto-rejection mode, but her attitude tho...
- Assuming that my goal is to get her out, what should I do next?
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