Day Game & Running after girls

[Estate]

Hi guys,
So I was out in the city today shopping and I saw something I'd never seen before... a real live PUA bootcamp... it was actually just 2 guys, looked like a 1:1 session.

Anyway, I only noticed it because as I turned a corner this guy almost knocked me over sprinting around behind me to get to two girls walking just ahead. I didn't really hear much of it but it looked like it went well and he got a number.
3 minutes later, some thing... same guy comes sprinting through the crowd almost running into people and reaches 2 girls... these ones seemed really creeped out.
So as I'm going in and out of the shops, I see this guy doing the same thing up and down the street.

Sitting in the food court later I overheard a few people next to me talking about this guy and how he approached and what he said.
They didn't seem overly impressed but who knows... it sounded very scripted, what he said.... but it looks like the guy was learning so I can't hate on him for that or anything, he's getting out there so good for him.

But I hear a lot of PUA guys advocating this "running from behind" approach... so it's like "Oh my god, you were sooooo stunning I had to sprint infront of 2 buses, knock several old ladies over and grab you from behind causing you to scream... Hi! I'm Jeff, you must be impressed with what I just went through".
Ok, so that's my take on it... others obviously see it differently. I feel it comes off needy to run from behind, she doesn't see this "effort" and is gonna be creeped out when you grab her from behind and spring infront of her to stop her from walking... It doesn't sit right with me... it doesn't seem like a good approach.

Now given, I like a casual opening or some sort of situation thing to try opening a girl but the sprinting and stopping her in her tracks thing just screams CREEP to me... is it just me?
The problem with being situation is that you have to pick your moments, it probably lowers your overall approaches in a day but if you just did a couple over the space of an afternoon and they were quality then that's better than basically carpet bombing Newbury street like these dudes right?

What do you guys think?

 

[diegoC]

Hey Estate!

I used to think exactly that about approaching girls on the street: creep/weirdo.

One quick anecdote. Way before I discovered this forum I was already trying to improve with girls. Many of the things taught here I had already figured them out (elite eye contact, varying time response on text messages, being direct on street approaches, etc).

I approached girls on the street because I had so much AA (approach anxiety) that I thought to myself that doing it on the street would help me get over that. I didn't really think about getting numbers, nothing. Just approaching to beat the fear. After doing lots of them (and failing in almost all of them), I thought that I really didn't have an excuse/reason to approach them on the street. It was weird to just say "Hello, how are you?". So, that's when it hit me: I have to be direct.

The first girl I open directly (a cute girl who happened to be a contestant for a beauty pageant) in my whole life I ended up having sex with her (on our first date). Then I stopped because I thought it was weird (even though it proved successful). Now, after coming across this site I have started playing again with it.

What I have learned from experience and what you would find here is that direct or situational openers depend on the scenario. You have to follow the Law of Least Effort.

If you are in a bar and a girl is right next to you it would have much more sense to open her with a situational/standard opener("Do you like this place?", "How are you doing tonight?", "Are you single?". Now, if you are on the street and chase a girl to open her, imagine telling her "Hey, how are you doing?". Don't you find it really weird? That's why, when you chase a girl on the street you should open directly. It makes her know that the reason you opened her is because you like her. And the great thing is that you really don't lose. Think about it. To her, you come as really confident guy (with balls, doing something almost no one does) which is great for you. If she responds well and get her contact info, good . If you don't, well, you just made her feel great for that compliment. Just don't care, start doing it and eventually your ego won't care at all.

I wouldn't sprint to her. Just catch her (up your pace with out running), pre-open her from the side and deliver your opening. That's it.

If you would like to approach girls on the street without being direct try this technique I posted.

Cheers!

 

[Estate]

Yeah, thanks Diego...

I don't have an issue with day game in general or anything... I think it can work great.

But it's the running after and grabbing girls on the street or jumping in front of her is what makes me uneasy. I don't like guys doing that at all.
The whole point is to make a girl COMFORTABLE around you and you are immediately catching her off guard... you are chasing her down, you are grabbing at her, surprising her, then getting in her way in front of her to block her from leaving. I just don't like it at all... looks soooo creepy.

I much prefer situational approaches... a really simple one is to maybe end up at a crosswalk with her, ask a question and go from there, you can walk with her and if she's CLEARLY uncomfortable, let her go... if she's not, you can slow her down and speak to her face to face... but it gives her an out if she's uncomfortable... if it's not going anywhere, let her walk on, if she's into it she'll stop with you... but it gives HER the choice which I would feel MUCH more comfortable with if I was the girl.
I know some will say this is not dominant but the dominance comes from how you speak and present yourself, not a physical dominance of stopping her in her tracks and blocking her from getting away if she feels like she wants to.

 

[diegoC]

Whenever I have done it, they usually feel surprise. I have never had one girl upset for saying a direct opener. If they don't feel like talking to me further they will make it clear (they will thank you and start leaving or something) and that's it.

I don't persist in the street. Like walking with her when she gets moving again and it's clear she doesn't want to keep talking. If you persist they will be uncomfortable for sure. I wouldn't recommend it on street approaches.

Cheers!

 

[Tyme2k]

Here is a real live pro FR. Read it you will be pleasantly surprised.

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/392526/forum

 

[diegoC]

Nice. I want to be a pro now! Baby steps, i know, I'll get there.