Daygame - Cockblock attempt

[Wolf]

I've been doing daygame for a while, and generally succeed at getting numbers, and moderately with replies. My main sticking point is turning those replies into dates or second dates (text game). But this isn't the question I have today.

I was talking to a girl and I got her number. She was jokey and talkative. Besides not wanting a hug goodbye it went well (so I ended with a high-five). Most girls hug me goodbye, so I guess it varies. As I was walking away from her and briefly looking at my phone, I heard a guy call out to me, 'Are you just walking up and down the street picking up chicks? Fucking weirdo'. I admit it got to me a little, but I didn't show it. Instead I continued walking and half smiled while facing forward (not once did I look at him or respond in any way). It's possible he saw me prior to this.

My questions are:
- Was his cockblocking an attempt to sabotage it for me? (I'm almost certain she was out of ear shot), or did he hope to get her for himself?
- Do most girls in your experiences appreciate the compliment of being picked up in the street, or is it viewed as a strange thing in general?
- What can I say to make it more socially accepted? In my view, it's no different than talking to a stranger in a bar / club (besides the drink and music), and you have to get to know people somehow. Not everyone can meet at work for various reasons, and some wish to separate business and pleasure. If I feel resistance I say, 'I know it's strange, but people often say they want to meet new people, but rarely do'.

Later she texted before I messaged her, to ask if I wanted to find a smoothie place or if I was lying. This is the downside of indirect game, but in my experience many girls can't handle direct game as it catches them off guard, while indirect makes it more likely they stop walking to help / suggest ideas, and feels more acceptable. I have no issue with doing either technique. Let me know your thoughts!

 

[Regal Tiger]

I've been doing daygame for a while, and generally succeed at getting numbers, and moderately with replies. My main sticking point is turning those replies into dates or second dates (text game). But this isn't the question I have today.

I was talking to a girl and I got her number. She was jokey and talkative. Besides not wanting a hug goodbye it went well (so I ended with a high-five). Most girls hug me goodbye, so I guess it varies. As I was walking away from her and briefly looking at my phone, I heard a guy call out to me, 'Are you just walking up and down the street picking up chicks? Fucking weirdo'. I admit it got to me a little, but I didn't show it. Instead I continued walking and half smiled while facing forward (not once did I look at him or respond in any way). It's possible he saw me prior to this.

He saw someone succeeding at doing something that he himself is terrible at. He probably also subscribes to the politically correct bullshit ways to get women and seeing you not doing that conflicts with his world view. This made him angry.

Your response was 100% on the money, do not engage. If you engage with someone below you, they win. If you ignore them then reality reasserts itself that they are worthless.

My questions are:
- Was his cockblocking an attempt to sabotage it for me? (I'm almost certain she was out of ear shot), or did he hope to get her for himself?

Na, he was just venting.

- Do most girls in your experiences appreciate the compliment of being picked up in the street, or is it viewed as a strange thing in general?

Women absolutely appreciate the balls it takes to stop them on the street and hit on them. As long as you don't cross any lines you can even hit on married women and they'll love you for it. Women like the attention so long as you don't cross any creeper lines.

- What can I say to make it more socially accepted?

You can't. It's not the "right" way to do things. So unless you're taking women out on a billion dates, bringing flowers each time and spending a minimum of $100 dollars per date then you're not doing it the "right" way. Ignore the haters, or at least pretend to. Some people are going to say some things that get under your skin, so try not to dwell on it too much. Nothing wrong with going after what you want.

Later she texted before I messaged her, to ask if I wanted to find a smoothie place or if I was lying. This is the downside of indirect game, but in my experience many girls can't handle direct game as it catches them off guard, while indirect makes it more likely they stop walking to help / suggest ideas, and feels more acceptable. I have no issue with doing either technique. Let me know your thoughts!

That means that you're going true indirect, which is bad. I suspect that's why you're having problems getting dates because you're acting a little incongruent. It's fine to be indirect in your words, but you absolutely have to show interest somehow. If you don't want to show at least a few signs of interest in a girl with your words, then you have to show it in your body language.

It's easier to qualify the girl a little bit and let her know that you like her with your words (in my opinion for beginners). But if you prefer to be indirect verbally then you have to sexify your body language (which I think you should do anyways). Give her the sex eyes, let her feel your sexual energy directed right at her. You're going to see a drop in numbers if you do this, but you will see an increase in your dates and second dates.

You just need to show some of your intent, which is that you wanna stick your cock inside of her. Nothing wrong with this at all. There's also nothing wrong with which way you want to show this, but you do have to show it somehow.

Unless you're trying something new, in which case go wild and let us know what happens! You sexy stud muffin

 

[Wolf]

He saw someone succeeding at doing something that he himself is terrible at. He probably also subscribes to the politically correct bullshit ways to get women and seeing you not doing that conflicts with his world view. This made him angry.

Your response was 100% on the money, do not engage. If you engage with someone below you, they win. If you ignore them then reality reasserts itself that they are worthless.

I appreciate your response, Regal Tiger. This is how the pickup community should be - lifting each other up. It's sad some people like to bring others down, but I would have been happy to help him had he asked, instead of reacting the way he did. I take pleasure in helping good people. I resisted the urge to give him a taste of his own medicine, but the thought did cross my mind At least I now understand the reasons, and I'll remember your voice of clarity if I ever encounter a similar situation again, thank you!

Women like the attention so long as you don't cross any creeper lines.

What would you say are examples of being creepy? I don't feel I am generally, as I've noticed conversations have improved since I've slowed my speech and only use half smiles, but it's good to find out.

I've also found women who are walking are more likely to keep moving after they give the directions, if speech is slowed down a bit, so it's a bad habit, but this occasionally makes me speed up again slightly. What could I say to keep them there without seeming rushed?

Nothing wrong with going after what you want.

I couldn't agree more with you. My hope is the more decent guys who get into pickup, the more normalised it becomes. Online dating must have started out in a similar way, since there's nothing more natural than pickup. I imagine our ancestors will have met in a forest or plain somewhere. Granted, there were tribes and outside dangers, and conversation may have been less important or limited to grunts, but I'm sure it was used to an extent.

It's easier to qualify the girl a little bit and let her know that you like her with your words (in my opinion for beginners). But if you prefer to be indirect verbally then you have to sexify your body language (which I think you should do anyways). Give her the sex eyes, let her feel your sexual energy directed right at her. You're going to see a drop in numbers if you do this, but you will see an increase in your dates and second dates.

I also feel you're right about this. I have the confidence to tell a girl if I find her pretty and I have done, although if I go weeks without picking up, it can take a few approaches before I feel able to again (This is likely normal). In fact, I told the girl I mentioned yesterday. I asked to see her eyes as she was wearing sunglasses, then I said 'I didn't expect your eyes to be so blue, as you have dark hair' and she agreed, and I said she is very attractive. I don't make a point of doing this though, since I tend to only say if they outright ask why I approached them.

When do you think is a good time to say it? (I assume after asking for directions, but unsure exactly when).

What are good examples of showing intent directly / phrases to say?
And good examples of showing intent indirectly / body language?

I'd like to end by thanking you greatly. You're a wonderful person, Regal Tiger

 

[Fuck This]

If passer-by's see you make multiple daygame approaches you are probably over saturating an area. If they are calling you out on it, definitely.

Now it is different if it is a social event people choose to be at since the purpose is to socialize. But I've seen young kids waiting in Malls to pounce on the next female in their age range to pass by to approach and it's no better than panhandling. From my experience it is better to make eye contact from afar so you aren't ambushing them. With experience you can gauge their receptiveness to an approach, and then go direct.

Don't "overhunt" an area, otherwise it just makes things tougher.

 

[Wolf]

If passer-by's see you make multiple daygame approaches you are probably over saturating an area. If they are calling you out on it, definitely.

I see your point, Fuck This, but I’m sure it was only my second approach on that street. Although I walked along it a couple of times, since I live in a small city so there isn’t always someone decent to approach. He either saw me walking past a couples of times, or overheard the conversation and guessed we had just met (likely both). I think some people are just nosy or bored. It’s the first time I’ve been called out with pickup, which is why I was surprised.

Now it is different if it is a social event people choose to be at since the purpose is to socialize. From my experience it is better to make eye contact from afar so you aren't ambushing them. With experience you can gauge their receptiveness to an approach, and then go direct.

Great idea. How best to catch their eye? Unfortunately, most people here are too polite or shy to make eye contact as you pass them in the street, and the ones who do are hooligans (may have something to do with it). Perhaps it’s easier at a social event if she’s been standing around, but I tend to avoid group approaches or girls busy speaking on the phone. I tried groups and found either one is interested, but the group want to keep moving so she feels pulled away, or my game isn’t so strong due to having more people to converse with / think about.

I used to oversaturate areas with pickup last Summer, when I started out, but the quality of my approaches / conversations has improved, so now I only approach a handful of times. Thanks for your thoughts. I likely need to be more conspicuous, or just care less haha. I guess taking action, is better than than not, as it leads to improvement.

 

[Wolf]

*Less conspicuous, you knew what I meant

 

[Regal Tiger]

I appreciate your response, Regal Tiger. This is how the pickup community should be - lifting each other up. It's sad some people like to bring others down, but I would have been happy to help him had he asked, instead of reacting the way he did. I take pleasure in helping good people. I resisted the urge to give him a taste of his own medicine, but the thought did cross my mind At least I now understand the reasons, and I'll remember your voice of clarity if I ever encounter a similar situation again, thank you!

Welcome! Sorry for the late reply, been away from laptop and wifi for a while.

What would you say are examples of being creepy? I don't feel I am generally, as I've noticed conversations have improved since I've slowed my speech and only use half smiles, but it's good to find out.

Honestly, it's really just about not crossing boundaries. But those boundaries are different for every guy under the sun. If her celebrity crush were to walk up and tell her, 5 seconds into meeting her, that he wanted to bend her over in front of everyone and cum in her ass then make her eat it. He'd probably be okay, because it's welcomed.

If some guy just stared at a woman for like 5 minutes before walking up and saying hi (with terrible fundamentals), well, he's creepy.

So it's attaining a base level of attractiveness to get away with certain things. And as long as you don't do anything that gives off a red flag (like the example a paragraph up) then you're free to get away with being a little bold. You'll even get points for it, even if she isn't interested. If she acts like and tells you that she isn't interested, and you don't push it, you're probably not creepy.

Super subjective stuff that's hard to illustrate outside of extremes. But I hope that gives you a little bit of an example.

I've also found women who are walking are more likely to keep moving after they give the directions, if speech is slowed down a bit, so it's a bad habit, but this occasionally makes me speed up again slightly. What could I say to keep them there without seeming rushed?

You have to get them to come to a full stop. All kinds of ways to do that, but one way is to be a little more direct in your approach. When you talk about giving directions I'm assuming you're doing some heavy indirect game, I've never done that so I can't say much on your approach other than be more direct.

I couldn't agree more with you. My hope is the more decent guys who get into pickup, the more normalised it becomes. Online dating must have started out in a similar way, since there's nothing more natural than pickup. I imagine our ancestors will have met in a forest or plain somewhere. Granted, there were tribes and outside dangers, and conversation may have been less important or limited to grunts, but I'm sure it was used to an extent.

I've never put much thought into way back when, but seeing as how words themselves cover so little of what people pick up on today I'd lean towards saying it didn't hold that much weight. But yes! Online game did start out that way (and still has some people that think it's only where the ultra unattractive go, which is wrong).

I also feel you're right about this. I have the confidence to tell a girl if I find her pretty and I have done, although if I go weeks without picking up, it can take a few approaches before I feel able to again (This is likely normal). In fact, I told the girl I mentioned yesterday. I asked to see her eyes as she was wearing sunglasses, then I said 'I didn't expect your eyes to be so blue, as you have dark hair' and she agreed, and I said she is very attractive. I don't make a point of doing this though, since I tend to only say if they outright ask why I approached them.

I don't know if I would have done it that way, but kudos for getting the investment! Definitely takes some nerve to do something like that

When do you think is a good time to say it? (I assume after asking for directions, but unsure exactly when).

I've done all kinds of things, but most of the time it is my opener. I've told women that I thought they had a great ass and I wanted to come say hi. A personal favorite, that I will have to mention hasn't gone anywhere on the few times I've done it though it brings me many a fun moment, is to act all worried as I tell a girl not to step there.

Oops, too late. She crushed it, she stepped on it and crushed it.
"What?"
My hopes of asking you out. Just crushed, what are we gonna do about this?

I've done it around 3-4 times or so and it hasn't gone anywhere, but it was hellaciously fun to do and put me in a good mood lol.

One thing that has led to a few dates is to see a girl that's with her mom, or even her grandma and just stop the girls and tell them that I want to flirt with her friend for like 2 minutes. Haven't been turned down yet and have had some interesting replies. In one, the grandma started grilling me a little bit but then quickly became my wingwoman when she started to warm up to me. Oftentimes the mom is on my side right away. Had one moment in particular where I knew the girl was probably dating someone her mom didn't like. Because while she (the daughter) was attracted to me, she didn't want to give me her number and before I could walk away the mom was all up in her grill "give him your number, do it, do it" and etc. She gave me a fake number lmao.

Other times the other person/people will just go off by themselves for a few minutes and give me a few minutes alone with the girl I wanna flirt with. Works best with families, but will sometimes work with friend groups as well. Unless one of the other girls in the party is attracted to you, which has happened when a sister cockblocked me in Subway last week

What are good examples of showing intent directly / phrases to say?

Rather than give you examples, I implore you to just say what's on your mind. Is there something about this girl that you liked about her? Say it. Tell her that you wanna flirt with her, tell her you think she's cute. Make it all you my man.

And good examples of showing intent indirectly / body language?

This I would say you say more with your eyes, rather than you full body. You can stare at her like you want to ravage her, but you need to feel it (or be really good at faking it). Or, you can learn how to flirt with your eyes instead. Chase has a few articles up about stuff like this that are worth looking up. Just Google "GirlsChase Eye Contact" and you'll get a few hits.

Both work.

I'd like to end by thanking you greatly. You're a wonderful person, Regal Tiger

Damn... I feel kinda bad that I didn't have my laptop for so long and it took me so long to get back to you. But I really do appreciate what you just said. Going through some shit and I've been feeling pretty emotional, so thank you

 

[Wolf]

If her celebrity crush were to walk up and tell her, 5 seconds into meeting her, that he wanted to bend her over in front of everyone and cum in her ass then make her eat it. He'd probably be okay, because it's welcomed.

This is true and also hilarious haha.

So it's attaining a base level of attractiveness to get away with certain things.

- The million dollar question, but how to achieve this?

You have to get them to come to a full stop. All kinds of ways to do that, but one way is to be a little more direct in your approach.

I've made a point of taking your advice by telling every girl I find her attractive or I like her... often a follow up to an indirect opener. Then I suggest we get to know each other, and I'll ask more casual questions whilst building up touch. However, I hit a plateau where I don't escalate touch beyond a certain point, likely due to risk of being rejected or causing a scene. I need to learn to get out of my head and be truly free from outcome. If Chase or any top artist were any of us for the day, they'd still be successful at leading, influencing and seducing. This shows the potential once mastered.

- Should my questions / statements be sexual based, as well as comfort ones? (Besides telling her I find her attractive).
- And do you suggest romantic lines (your eyes are windows to your soul), simple compliments (I love your hair, it's beautiful), or what I'd like to do with her? (I imagine your lips would be incredible to kiss).

- What's the best way to initiate holding her? And a kiss? These are now my main sticking points.

If she sits opposite first, it's easy to sit next to her, but if it's after and she sits opposite, likely the only way is to touch her hands / arms (hard if they're far), or move her to a dance floor / another room / bar / a walk outside if we finish our drinks. I notice many girls make plans after a date these days, so I should probably ask her plans early on into a date so it's clear how much time there is to escalate. And to likely start building kino almost immediately during comfort, as opposed to talking for the first few minutes without any touch. I may try mutual touch, where you place the girls hand on you. I also think I need to find healthier drinks, if I start having frequent dates, or do other things with some girls besides bars.

Online game did start out that way (and still has some people that think it's only where the ultra unattractive go, which is wrong).

Absolutely, there are some stunning women who use it... often due to lack of time or opportunity to meet someone. I've used it a lot myself. Though I feel the hottest women online are harder to get than in person, since there's a great deal of competition.

One thing that has led to a few dates is to see a girl that's with her mom, or even her grandma and just stop the girls and tell them that I want to flirt with her friend for like 2 minutes.

I imagine this makes the mum or grandma feel good haha. An excellent technique.

I implore you to just say what's on your mind. Is there something about this girl that you liked about her? Say it. Tell her that you wanna flirt with her, tell her you think she's cute.

I agree that this is the best way to make it appear natural. Thank you, Regal Tiger!

Just Google "GirlsChase Eye Contact" and you'll get a few hits.

I'll do this. I realise "sticky eyes" is a good technique, where you turn your head slowly, pause a second, and slowly partially face the girl. Allow a slight smile to form gradually on one side of your face. Squint your eyes slightly whilst looking into her eyes deeply. And then slowly pan away, pause again, and finally look away and slightly upwards. It's as if your eyes are attached by glue. I understand in theory, however it's harder in a high pressure environment where you're thinking of conversation topics / the next move, or the girl is rushing to get away upon opening her. I assume if you move her for an instant date it would be easier.

Damn... I feel kinda bad that I didn't have my laptop for so long and it took me so long to get back to you. But I really do appreciate what you just said. Going through some shit and I've been feeling pretty emotional, so thank you

Don't be, we all have busy times. I can tell even through a computer that you're a good person. I hope it goes well for you, buddy... I'm rooting for you!

As an update, I approached a girl and 2 friends appeared. Despite this, I continued to touch her and made it clear I liked her. They were surprisingly warm to me and engaged in a fun conversation about honestly very little haha. The girl said she had a bf, but still looked at me and interacted / laughed a lot. She would only take my number, which I called her out on not texting. We hugged and I said she's lovely, kissed her cheek, and said to text as she won't regret it. Though unlikely, I felt some interest from her, so she may have a bf. And I'm pleased I was bold.

I approached one woman directly with, 'Hi, I have to tell you I love your shoes, they look great on you'. I know I should then say my name and ask hers, but she thanked me and walked away too quickly. Practice makes perfect, and not every shot will hit (people vary). I tend to only approach directly if there are few people within ear shot, so I need to get out of my head more. I also need to make more statements than questions, add more opinion (I avoid it a bit to retain mystery), or allow her to talk more... the first was suggested by a girl I picked up today.

On a positive note, I spoke to a woman for ages with an observational approach. She told me she's in a serious relationship, but went for a drink with me right there and then (I said another time, and she said she can now). We had a long interesting chat and I found a new bar to take girls to. She told me my approach with her was good (asking if you can hire the court or how it works), suggested if you feel good within yourself you come across better as you can often feel this vibe, and agreed to potentially be my wingwoman / try other bars, assuming her bf allows it. A very nice woman.

Life holds many surprises and we will both move forwards and improve!

 

[Regal Tiger]

This is true and also hilarious haha.


- The million dollar question, but how to achieve this?

Fundamentals, experience/confidence and being her type

I've made a point of taking your advice by telling every girl I find her attractive or I like her... often a follow up to an indirect opener. Then I suggest we get to know each other, and I'll ask more casual questions whilst building up touch. However, I hit a plateau where I don't escalate touch beyond a certain point, likely due to risk of being rejected or causing a scene. I need to learn to get out of my head and be truly free from outcome. If Chase or any top artist were any of us for the day, they'd still be successful at leading, influencing and seducing. This shows the potential once mastered.

During the day, unless you're already on a date, don't worry too much about touch. You want to establish just enough touch so that it's not weird when you do it on the date and that you solidify a little bit of a connection. But you don't want to go any further than that unless you have a chance to go all the way with her then and there.

Helps prevent ASD and it's normal to touch a little bit when you meet a sexy stranger. But you don't want to become the handsy guy. I've had successful daygame stops where I didn't touch her at all (success meaning I got her out on a first date later, which is all daygame needs to do unless you can do a date then and there).

So I wouldn't worry too much about it until you're already on the date.

- Should my questions / statements be sexual based, as well as comfort ones? (Besides telling her I find her attractive).

I wouldn't. Just direct enough to let her know the reason that you're talking to her at all (you find her cute, stunning, your heart skipped a beat or even that you find her to be the most attractive creature you've ever laid your eyes on and you can't help but want to bend her over. Whatever the reason is, make sure it's authentic and that you honestly feel it, because then there's a much better chance that she'll feel it too.

After that, just do some get to know you stuff for 5 to 10 minutes or so and propose a date. If you know that she's free the rest of the day go for the date right then and there. If you don't know or are unsure, feel free to still go for it. Women like bold men. But if you know that she's got stuff going on then just propose a date later on down the line. Make sure to make it a specific date though, none of that let's get a coffee sometime so what's your number stuff. It's cool to propose sometime and let her build up some compliance and then go for a specific date, but don't leave it there.

Example: Even if you do say let's get a coffee sometime (acceptable as long as you keep going) and she says sure. Then if you already know she's free on Friday, suggest Friday at 2 pm or whatever time. If you don't know her schedule then ask her when she's free. You can also suggest multiple times and let her pick from them but I've never done that, I have always preferred to ask when she's free and go from there. That's just a personal thing and from talking to people that have done both they both work. Just choose your style.

After you get the date setup it's only natural to exchange numbers at that point. But if you schedule a date for later that day you might want to experiment with not getting a number, I've had success with this too (on accident I might add, I just forgot lol).

So yea, make sure that you have a real date setup when you walk away and the last thing you wanna do is get her number AFTER setting up the date.

- And do you suggest romantic lines (your eyes are windows to your soul), simple compliments (I love your hair, it's beautiful), or what I'd like to do with her? (I imagine your lips would be incredible to kiss).

That's a personal style question and all can work. Again, it's all about your personal style that is true to who you are and what you are feeling.

The most direct I've gotten on the approach is something like "You have an amazing ass" because that's more me. I love getting super direct but I like to save it for the date when we're already alone and I know that she's attracted to me. Once that happens I will sometimes get insanely direct with what I want in that moment in time.

Just telling a girl that you thought she was cute and you wanted to meet her works.

Hell, not being verbally direct will work as well. Just as long as you're direct in other ways, like your touch or your body language.

Sometimes I'll do over the top stuff because that's what I want to do in that moment. It's fun for me and it's true to who I am. As an example I love over exaggerating things when I'm with a woman, it's just fun.
Her: You're such a dork
Me: Oh my gawd! *clutches chest Fred Sandford style* Here comes the big one. Oh god! You're so mean!

Or even something like
Her: You're cute
Me: *puts hand to face and pretends to blush* oh god, stop it. You're making me blush, you know I can't handle all of this attention, stop it.

And I'm playful in my words and tone as well, which isn't as easy to demonstrate over text. But there's lots of inflection in my voice and it's suuuuuuuuper obvious that I'm just goofing around.

All true to who I am and works very well for me.

But if you were to catch the Wolverine doing stuff like that then he wouldn't ever get any pussy, because it's not true to who he is.

All of that to say that you have to find your style that's true to who you are and what you're feeling. But also feel free to experiment with different stuff until you find an approach and style that you can fall in love with.

- What's the best way to initiate holding her? And a kiss? These are now my main sticking points.

I don't bother much with holding her. But with the kiss my go-to is just to look at her in her eyes for a moment, put the tip of my finger on her chin and guide her face into mine.

Sometimes, if she just won't stop talking I will interrupt her and tell her that I haven't been paying attention for the last 30 seconds or so because there's a thought in my head that I can't stop thinking about.
Her: What?
Me: Kissing you, and then go for it

Women will make it abundantly clear if they don't want it. They'll jerk their head to the side, or back away or any number of things.

If she sits opposite first, it's easy to sit next to her, but if it's after and she sits opposite, likely the only way is to touch her hands / arms (hard if they're far), or move her to a dance floor / another room / bar / a walk outside if we finish our drinks. I notice many girls make plans after a date these days, so I should probably ask her plans early on into a date so it's clear how much time there is to escalate. And to likely start building kino almost immediately during comfort, as opposed to talking for the first few minutes without any touch. I may try mutual touch, where you place the girls hand on you. I also think I need to find healthier drinks, if I start having frequent dates, or do other things with some girls besides bars.

Sitting opposite is easy to get over. Just proceed into the date as normal for a little while, let her get comfortable. If it doesn't feel too forced then you can go for a hand hold or even just tell her "give me your hand". If she asks why you can tell her the truth, it helps you understand her better when she's speaking, or makes you feel more connected or whatever you wanna say. It's more important that you say it with complete confidence in who you are though, so if it sounds sappy then you'll probably want to avoid it if you're more of a beginner cuz it won't come off right.

Another thing you can try that I've done a few times, ask her for her hand if she's across from you or even if she's not and you need to break the touch barrier. She asks why and you just shrug your shoulders and say 'cuz' or 'iunno'. The way I've done this is to look at her eyes with a little smirk on my face and tell her 'cuz I want it'. Just make sure it's fun for the both of you (both of you being very important and took me a little while to understand in the beginning, it's not all about her).

Then start telling a story about something, or someone that you have a picture to go along with on your phone. If you can tell that she's really into you, tell her to come over so you can show her. If she's closer to neutral then just go over to her and show her. Boom, you're now sitting next to each other within 5 minutes of the date or whatever into the date.

Absolutely, there are some stunning women who use it... often due to lack of time or opportunity to meet someone. I've used it a lot myself. Though I feel the hottest women online are harder to get than in person, since there's a great deal of competition.

Without a doubt, but it also depends on your type of women. My type of women aren't the typical blonde bombshell types of women. I like them a little more hipster-ish that don't take themselves or life too seriously and the like. If they have an artistic pursuit of sometime all the better. So for me, it was easier to find those introverted hotties online than in person sometimes back in the town I was learning all of this in (twas small in comparison to where I am now). Luckily I'm in a bigger area and it's not so much of an issue.

But yea, all that to say that it absolutely depends on your type of girl and what type of man she wants. Varoon had a recent article that's not really wrong, but I don't think covers everything about online dating. It can work and be a real type of game, just the same as daygame or even nightgame. It all depends on what your type is and what her type is.

What I also don't feel gets a fair shake is the fact that even the blonde bombshells will be use online dating sometimes. It's just that they don't stay on it for very long (and the longer they use online dating the crazier they are, this is something that I have noticed). So when people say that only the crazies use online dating they're not entirely wrong. The crazies use it consistently. The hotties will get on a few times and leave, and probably come back a few months later or even a year later. The hotties are inconsistent, but the crazies are on there for a long time.

So you have to be fast and you have to photograph well.

I imagine this makes the mum or grandma feel good haha. An excellent technique.

To tell ya the truth I'm not sure what really happens in their minds. But I have noticed a trend (though I don't have the numbers to say this is a phenomenon that happens everywhere) where the mom's jump on really fast to be my wingwomen whereas the grandmas like to grill me first. Not sure if it's just age, or if it's because of a generation gap (so if I hit on someone with a really old mom would the mom still be on my side right away or would she need convincing?)

I suspect it's because of age, but I doubt I'll ever be able to say for certain

I agree that this is the best way to make it appear natural. Thank you, Regal Tiger!

No worries broheim, we're all here to help however we can

I'll do this. I realise "sticky eyes" is a good technique, where you turn your head slowly, pause a second, and slowly partially face the girl. Allow a slight smile to form gradually on one side of your face. Squint your eyes slightly whilst looking into her eyes deeply. And then slowly pan away, pause again, and finally look away and slightly upwards. It's as if your eyes are attached by glue. I understand in theory, however it's harder in a high pressure environment where you're thinking of conversation topics / the next move, or the girl is rushing to get away upon opening her. I assume if you move her for an instant date it would be easier.

Can't say for sure, honestly. Eye contact is something that I haven't played with much other than looking into her eyes for a deeper connection. The few times that I've noticed myself doing something with my eyes it's usually something that's just a part of me (like an over the top, uber dramatic eye roll, or even looking at her from the corner of your eyes with a smirk are the things that come to mind right away).

So when it comes to techniques, I only notice after the fact and since I'm in the moment and just something I do it's hard for me to break it down. So I would refer to Chase on that one who has mastered the art of breaking this stuff down.

Don't be, we all have busy times. I can tell even through a computer that you're a good person. I hope it goes well for you, buddy... I'm rooting for you!

Thanks

As an update, I approached a girl and 2 friends appeared. Despite this, I continued to touch her and made it clear I liked her. They were surprisingly warm to me and engaged in a fun conversation about honestly very little haha. The girl said she had a bf, but still looked at me and interacted / laughed a lot. She would only take my number, which I called her out on not texting. We hugged and I said she's lovely, kissed her cheek, and said to text as she won't regret it. Though unlikely, I felt some interest from her, so she may have a bf. And I'm pleased I was bold.

Sadly this is a part of the game my friend. You'll find women that are very into you, but life circumstances interfere and it's not always a boyfriend. There's a girl I met back in November that we just instantly clicked with.

We stayed in contact for a few months and she drove 3 hours to come see me. We ended up sleeping together but I think she regretted it as she started talking about God and all of that stuff. She also started talking about how she's always jumped from guy to guy. She was happy that we slept together but I knew that I'd never see her again. And she never responded to any of my texts afterwards.

So even instant connections can have life interfere, which is why GC is all about moving fast. Because life has a funky way of sticking itself in everybody's business and fucking shit up.

But it sounds like you're moving in the right direction and you will have successes. If she was into you then you're at the very least some things right and that's all you really need. The more you get yourself locked in and your techniques, styles and what have you locked down you'll get more and more successes.

You'll get there

I approached one woman directly with, 'Hi, I have to tell you I love your shoes, they look great on you'. I know I should then say my name and ask hers, but she thanked me and walked away too quickly. Practice makes perfect, and not every shot will hit (people vary). I tend to only approach directly if there are few people within ear shot, so I need to get out of my head more. I also need to make more statements than questions, add more opinion (I avoid it a bit to retain mystery), or allow her to talk more... the first was suggested by a girl I picked up today.

Most definitely want her to do most of the talking, especially in the beginning. Mixing in statements with my questions was one of the hardest things for me to work in, but just keep at it and you'll get there.

Statements are fun little connection things, I've found and allow you to release some of the pressure that question give. Like, you ask her about her passion and she mentions how she loves blank. If you love blank you can say no way me too! And even insert something you love about it. If it's something that you don't like you can still spin it around into a connection by telling her how awesome it is that she has a passion and that you know exactly how she feels.

If the conversation is going well, you can let it sit for a second and almost always she will feel compelled to ask you about your passion, or she'll be so excited she will launch into more about her passion. Both are good for you, especially when she notices that she's been talking a lot and turns around to ask you about your passion later.

After that you're free to go into it a little bit, mostly about how it makes you feel doing or reading or whatever it is that you love and then very quickly turn it right back around on her. How you like how she lights up talking about whatever it is that she likes. Sometimes you can even use that moment to go in for the kiss with the technique I talked about earlier.

Look into her eyes, pause and let the tension sink in for a second. Slowly move your finger to her chin and slowly pull her into you. It's a great way to solidify the connection a little bit and even get her more excited (just don't make out with her, that releases the tension). I'm talking about a 2 second kiss at max like what they do in the movies, except shorter.

This may sound weird, but I find that it allows me to really feel her passion and she can feel mine. Plus, it can have the fun effect of transferring some of that passion about her thing onto you. Just don't go overboard with the kiss and make sure to change the topic quickly.

I like to break off the kiss after a second or two, look her in the eyes and then ask her more about whatever it is that she was talking about.

On a positive note, I spoke to a woman for ages with an observational approach. She told me she's in a serious relationship, but went for a drink with me right there and then (I said another time, and she said she can now). We had a long interesting chat and I found a new bar to take girls to. She told me my approach with her was good (asking if you can hire the court or how it works), suggested if you feel good within yourself you come across better as you can often feel this vibe, and agreed to potentially be my wingwoman / try other bars, assuming her bf allows it. A very nice woman.

Sweet! Feedback like that, especially if it's by someone who can be that kinda honest with you is awesome!

Life holds many surprises and we will both move forwards and improve!

Glad to hear it, keep at it