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Dealing with bullies, sadists, and guys that just want to make your life hell?

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As I said on a previous thread of mines, I spent a good portion of my teenage years near kids from working class areas. Some of these kids were good kids but others just love to cause problems. I am talking about guys that got into fights with girls that rejected them and beat those girls up, guys who would see someone they didn't like and just start problems with them, and just people who were terrible people. A lot of these guys had pent up frustration due to their situation in life and loved to take it out on others. Now I have been more of a peaceful guy my entire life that hated to get into fights and confrontations but overtime I have realized that some people live for that kind of stuff. At times this has been an issue for me but it hasn't been anymore as I have moved to a much more prosperous area. I still know I will need these skills to deal with some people who just love to cause problems.

What are some steps to take to deal with people like that?
 

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Re: Dealing with bullies, sadists, and guys that just want to make your life hel

https://www.girlschase.com/content/nice- ... hard-rules

I was just in a 5 month relationship with a borderline con-artist.

I thought I was invulnerable. Boy was I wrong.

I've learned now that instead of taking steps to deal with people like that, you take steps AWAY. Just phase them out.
 
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Re: Dealing with bullies, sadists, and guys that just want to make your life hel

If things are getting serious Kenshin, and these guys that have been bothering you since Highschool are getting older and older, I think it is safe to say that you either move away or you do something with the cops.

And I'm guessing that guys are bothering you are jealous of you. You should try to meet with them when not with your girlfriend and try to learn about each other. The greatest way to resolve any problem is through communication and understanding. Understanding why someone is doing what they are doing, getting to the heart of a problem rather than avoiding it. It seems to be that there is an anger within those guys and they take it out on you and you let it continue by doing nothing. When they make fun of you, ask them why? Are you jealous? Do you want the life I live because you don't like yours? Do you want me to help you? Do you want to be friends? What is it man? Stop dodging me when I'm trying to help you. No one hates someone else for no reason. What is it? Because I'm white? Because I spent my time in high school studying? What is it?

You just do that until you get an answer. You don't throw any punches, you throw lots of questions that engage the other individual mentally. A field of battle you can compete on and hopefully you are more skilled in it as well. That's how I won all my battles in high school and I can tell you that if the other guy isn't smart, he'll back off. People won't hit you... at least at that age... because you can get in trouble. Guys like them... since they are older, it is iffy. That's why the next time they come and harass you, take out your phone and call 911 and say it loud and clear to the person helping you that you are being harassed and this has been persistent. You know the perpetrators, their names and faces.

The worst case scenario is these guys dodge the cops and come back for you, which is why I'd say moving away from that place is the best option. If you stay there in that environment with low level individuals... it's not the best for you in the long run, when looking at the big picture, the grand scheme of things... even if you like it there because it is familiar, you are taking risks and the longer this goes on with no solution can end up going towards places you don't want to go. The last thing I want for you is someone you know dying, you dying, or committing suicide. I know that is really blunt but consider all cases, even extremes.

Psychology teaches that ignoring problems will lead to extinction of the behavior. Well, you're presence is the stimulus for the behavior and you haven't done anything to take the energy being thrown at you and converting/diverting it into something else.

Good luck.
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Re: Dealing with bullies, sadists, and guys that just want to make your life hel

Wisefool thank you for your input but you did assume some things that weren't right.

I am a minority (desi) and the guys who have given me problems have been from other minority groups mainly. Most of it has been due to jealousy but I might be wrong. Think I said in an earlier thread where some of my Asian and Latino high school classmates were telling me how White girls are going to hate me because of what I am and I proved them wrong by dating girls who are White (didn't rub it in and it isn't common to see a man of my heritage date good looking girls who are White). I was lucky enough to get away from the hell I had to live in but unfortunately I made the mistake of going back with my girlfriend for a break to visit my family and that is where things got nasty.

That's the gist of it. Most of these guys cannot be reasoned with, I tried. A lot of them are loaded with jealousy, anger, inferiority complex, and are highly poisonous people to be around. These guys take pleasure in causing pain to other people and have this whole us (not white) against them (white) mentality.

What I have noticed though is that there are bound to be individuals like this in the future that I cross paths with. In that circumstance, how do I deal with them? So the question is really, how do you deal with bad people who want to make your life miserable? People who hate the fact that you are happy in life and they aren't.
 

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Re: Dealing with bullies, sadists, and guys that just want to make your life hel

Kenshin,

Apologies for mistaking your race. I did read your previous post that related to this one, but I was careless to have responded without checking again in order that all my facts would be in order.

From what I can tell, the culture of your environment is completely different from my own. I'm not white either, but I do understand that "we need to stick together" mentality. The easiest advice is to research and discover where in your country are people more educated. I may be biased, but I doubt people with "Class" would be pulling off behavior like punching or kicking someone or pulling hair. That seems like behavior of individuals with low levels of empathy, low emotional intelligence. Have you tried living or spending some time in another area of the country or out of your country? You said you had gotten away from all of it, despite having come back for a gf.

You ask, "In that circumstance, how do I deal with them? So the question is really, how do you deal with bad people who want to make your life miserable? People who hate the fact that you are happy in life and they aren't."

What I do in order. If the preceding step fails, I move to the next one.
1. Seek diplomacy. Speak to them as an equal and expressing understanding and create a TEAM situation where you aren't against each other but are on the same team. I force the other party to engage me in rhetoric, where I want diplomacy to be achieved first. I force them to introspect and engage their fears. If they make jokes despite me taking them seriously, I call them out on it. They say, "What are you gay?" You say, "Are you scared of me?" "What no, why would I be scared of you?" "Then answer me questions without acting like an 8 year old boy. Why did you come over here and *insert whatever they did*. Was it for attention? Are you frustrated? Do you want me to help you? You aren't mad at me, you want me to help you and the only way you can get my attention is by acting the way that you did. I don't appreciate that and I expect better from a man your age." You force the other party to engage you and do NOT allow them to divert the conversation to something else. Constantly bring the focus of the discussion to the heart of the problem: what you believe is the reason for their behavior. Be logical, objective, methodical. You are slowly breaking down the other party on a mental level. Why would they hit you? When they resort to physical aggression....
2. Call higher authority

If you know these guys do this all the time, as soon as you see them, skip steps 1 and 2 and go straight to calling the cops. If you aren't experienced in handling and defusing high intensity situations, then I suggest going straight to the cops. I'm pretty good at breaking down bullies. They key is to show no fear, identify problems, plan to neutralize them, understand my escape route, and most important: make it clear to them that you know their game and you don't like to play by the rules. You're going to drop the whole fucking temple on their heads. If they don't realize that they lost from the onset, then they end up looking like the laughing stock and I'm the hero. I can't remember the last time someone's ever tried to pick a fight from me. I usually have people doing the dirty work for me because it is understanding your environment and how to use your tools and the tools around you to your advantage.

Situation: Outnumbered
1. Me and my girlfriend being harassed by a group of 3-5 guys
2. What are my primary objectives? Answer: safety of me and my girlfriend.
Plan? Can I physically take them on? No.
Are there people around, bigger males, women who can help me by serving as distractions? Yes.
Plan of action: draw everyone's attention to me.
How? Make as much noise as possible by speaking really loud, calling people over to get these guys away form you, even going to absurd lengths like yelling that he is going to kill you.
Is it an even fight? Yes.
Are they attempting to run away? No.
Are they distracted? Yes.
How do I neutralize fight without any casualties? Create space by keeping blockers in front of you, call the cops and let them know about the situation and your location. Indicate to your team and their team that backup from a higher power is coming to aid you.

At that point, those guys know they can't get to you so they are going to walk away or wait for you when you're alone to ambush you, which is why it is important to have the cops around so you can get to your car or whatever safely for a clean getaway....

If you don't know how to neutralize a situation or your attempts at doing so aren't working, create distance and/or call in aid from someone(s) who can do it for you.

Most of the time, people who are angry just want to vent out their anger, it helps if you can just listen to what frustrates them and indicate that you understand and want to help. They aren't bad people, they are just frustrated because they want what you want but don't know how to achieve the life that you live. You don't even need to solve the problem, you just need to get them on a level where their primary objective is not to injure you or your reputation.

Read psychology books and sociology books. Understand the minds of other individuals. What drives them to do what they do, what makes them tick.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him.
- Ender Wiggins, Ender's Game

Diplomacy first overall things. If diplomacy cannot be achieved, obliterating the target is the next step. If you can't kill them, get the next best thing, higher authority, moving away.

It seems to be that you are either letting these people step on you or you are constantly immersing yourself in situations where this happens... where can you go to get away from this life and/or how can you improve yourself to live a life free from such things?

Hope this helps Kenshin. I really feel for you man.
 

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Re: Dealing with bullies, sadists, and guys that just want to make your life hel

I actually met my girlfriend in college, she is not in my area. I came back to visit my family members who were in the given area. I walk around with my girlfriend (who happens to be white), some of these other guys get a bit uncomfortable with the fact that I have a girlfriend that is white and attractive and they don't. They start making moves on her in front of me and she avoid them, they get angry and bitter. Simply put, they see my girlfriend as some sort of status symbol and are mad that they don't have a girl who is like her and this is from what I can infer.
 
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