Dealing with disruptive/threatening men -outside of pure seduction-

[lux7]

Lucifer, you need to know how to fight. You never know what will happen.

That guy might punch you and leave you in a wheel chair, or take out a knife and stab you. It can be in 20 years when you have a family and kids. You never know so you must be prepared as a man. You might never need to use it but just t be sure do it.

My best advice is to go learn Krav Maga, that's what I practice. It's one of the only martial arts that are actually useful. None of that karate/kung fu/boxing/mma BS. None of that will help you if s guy comes to you with a knife and intent to murder you. In Krav Maga you're beaten a lot during training and you learn about life and death fighting like : defending agains guns/knifes, fighting against 5-10 people. And it's efficient no fancy moves etc, a guy takes a swing you brake his hand at the elbow and knee him in the face till he passes out.

And btw that's the thing with fight you never know if the guy has intent ot kill you or not. You never know if he has a gun or a knife or sth else. So you must always be prepared to fight even if you don't want to.

And don't go buying a gun or carrying a knife. Unless you are perfectly okay with murdering someone never carry such a weapon, cause it can and will be used on you.


The biggest thing is lots of people don't realise how dangerous a fight can be. I think oh he just will punch me once and go but you never know if he's on cocaine, in a rage, or a psychopath.



And that's kinda of a problem for me, cause I have problems with anger. I mean I'm usually very calm but if someone gets in my face and starts screaming and threatening me or someone I'm with I'll beat him to a pulp. And I always carry a spyderco with a serrated blade just in case of a fina resort, and 1 or 2 of those metal foldable baton like the police carry. Cause you can beet a guy till he can't stand but not stab or shoot him so you won't go to jail. But I don't want to use the knife cause I know if push comes to shove I have what it takes to kill the guy but I'm not going to jail because of some asshole. The knife is more for last resort if it's really life or death or if a stray dog attacks me.

I actually had problems with the police a few years back because guy was in my face and screaming threats and I beat him to the ground with knees and elbows to the head, but luckily in my country video footage from hidden cameras that don't have a sign announcing their existence cannot be evidence.

I'm not a violent guy but I just flip in such situations and escalate things pretty quickly. I don't know if I'm with a girl at night on some street, I'd probably tell her to run away while I take care of the guy.



So to recap I don't know how to help you prevent it, other than looking scarier (if a guy sees you a sees that you can beat him senseless or kill him he won't mess with you, most people look for an easy pray, even serial killers look for weak young men, or women, or kids). But my honest advice is to sign up for Krav Maga and learn how to defend you self and your girl.
As I said you might get attacked in 20-30 years while you're out with your wife and kids and you'd regret if forever that you could not defend them.
Violence might not be good but it's necessary in some cases if the other guy leaves you no choice.

Interesting.
I believe life threatening situations in the west or even situations where you need to physically defend yourself are rarer than many think -even if mugged it might be just safer handing in the money in most cases-, but still being able to fight is a good skill nonetheless for some of those rare situations.

In your example for example, you could have probably easily avoided beating up that idiot, I guess?
Also you got quite lucky, all it would have taken for much bigger problems was a sign beneath that camera and/or that other guy being a normal dude rather than a bum.

I'm also interested in your "you'll get beaten a lot in training".
What do you mean?

 

[MisterX]

Interesting.
I believe life threatening situations in the west or even situations where you need to physically defend yourself are rarer than many think -even if mugged it might be just safer handing in the money in most cases-, but still being able to fight is a good skill nonetheless for some of those rare situations.

In your example for example, you could have probably easily avoided beating up that idiot, I guess?
Also you got quite lucky, all it would have taken for much bigger problems was a sign beneath that camera and/or that other guy being a normal dude rather than a bum.

I'm also interested in your "you'll get beaten a lot in training".
What do you mean?[/quote]


Yeah if you're getting mugged it's way better to just give him your money/phone. Those 50-100$ you have on you are not worth the possibility of getting stabbed/shot. And in a way that the number 1 principle in fighting if you can avoid a fight in any way being giving up your money or running away you do that, no point i risking it. But if it ever comes to if, maybe the guy is a junky or unstable and you have no choice it's better to know what to do.

The pard about being beaten during training is a normal thing in Krav Maga training. Meaning that in the beginning they must take away your fear of being beaten. For example when I started the new guys would line up put your hands back and have the more advanced guys punch you in the stomach and that goes on for the first months. It may not be very painful but it's taking away your fear of being punched in a safe environment. Cause in a real fight your adrenalin goes us and you start panicking.

And you do lots and lots of training with a partner. Sometimes it may get rought and you get a few bruises but it goes away.

And the biggest thing is that you train a lot how to handle attackers with knifese, guns, a bat, multiple attackers (for example one drill we do is you go alone vs 10 guys that kinda mob you and you have to get yourself out of there) so you get used to it and if the time ever comes you won't panic and would react accordingly. We also have psychology lessons on how to avoid fights, how to avoid dangerous situations, what to do if you're in a hostage situation or kidnaped. There is a saying that if you can avoid fighting that's the biggest victory.

And it's very efficient meaning you don't need any fancy moves of kicks. The whole idea of KM is to teach soldiers how to battle in 1-2 months. While the kinds of judo/boxing/mma/karate/whatever take 5-10 years to master.

Here's a demo video of some of the things you learn in Krav Maga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXjr_7bSdg

And if you go to Israel they do real terrorist fightinng drills. Where they gear you up like a soldier, give you weapons(not loaded of course) and you do drills where you have to pass an urban course while defeating terrorist. Which looks like a lot of fun and I'd love to try it some day.

 

[lux7]

Brief update here after I started Krav Maga (I also did a couple of years of karate bak in the days).

It seems to me this martial art is mostly self defense and NOT to fight 1:1.
And it's street self defense, meaning you learn to react when someone comes at you "hugging" from behind or tries to throw you on the ground.

Which is useful and great, I love it, but it's just simply different than "proper" fight when you have two people facing each other.

You do learn a bit of that through sparring though.
I wouldn't judge on the "mac dojo" thingy just by looking at if there are women there. That might help if women compose the majority of the group, but otherwise a few women do like getting their kicks at punching around and some other women will simply sit out when the tougher sparring are on.

On the usefulness of the sparring, it depends heavily on who you couple with. Some guys will pummel for real and when the instructor says "full force", that's what they'll do and you'll go home really sore (been 10 days now after we did a full force one against one to the torso and my forearms are still fully yellow).

Some other will just caress you. Those are good when you're dead tired or already too sore .

I think it will get tougher as you move up from the "beginner" classes and a lot of "sunday trainers" will drop out.

Overall I agree that learning some basic of fighting is indeed an essential. Hopefully you'll never need, but it's great to at least know you do have a chance when you standing up for yourself and the people around you.