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How do you get over the depression of a lack of intimacy with female people in your young adult years?

Then the next thing you know, you have a hairy "dad bod" and you are staring 40 in the face.

But the whole time you had a slim toned body with a normal amount of hair and a 6 pack you didn't even get a single blowjob.

And now, with your new found hairy dad bod, the chances of getting said blowjob from a pretty girl are fading into obscurity.

How do you deal with all that?
 
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the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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40 years from now, you’re going to say you looked better today than you thought.

You can also shave and work out if looking fit and shaved is beneficial to your self esteem.
 

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the chances of getting said blowjob from a pretty girl are fading into obscurity.

How do you deal with all that?
You deal with it by improving your chances. I hope you are not asking how to find acceptance and cope with failure. I hope you realize you are an extremely rare person to be making effort in day and night game with aspergers. If you can hang in there, you will have an incredible proof of true peacocking... Succeeding despite a handicap.

Can you get your infields posted? I'm sure you can crowd source some improvements to a script to follow.

If you put on weight, at some point in the past you had an extended period of eating more calories than you burn. Now you have to do the opposite. It's simple calculation in vs. out. Exercise for metabolism and muscle maintenance, but eat less calories and it's mathematically inevitable.

Pay for it in hunger and eat yourself for fuel.

Self esteem is a signal from your mating sociometer (Girls Chase newsletter lesson #1). Lack of success will feel like a downward depression without wins. You need to change something. Maybe the opener.

And yes, trim.
 

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Thanks for posts everyone. I have to say, this forum is much more positive than other seduction forums. And I am not even out of shape, but do seem to have much more of a "dad bod" look due to hair density and individual thickness increasing. And I do have a slight "tummy pouch" which doesn't seem to be shifting. But it's not even visible when I am wearing a t shirt.

I also read another post on here that says, in your 30s, you have to choice between hot girls and eating nice food, which I didn't like, because I enjoy eating nice food but still want to get laid with a girl at least once. But it gives me a feeling that the "walls are closing in" which I didn't like so I panicked and made this thread:cautious:

I need to go to London soon to get some real approach volume in.

I didn't actually realise how hard this was, but in a way, I am glad it is hard and wasn't just a case of approaching and getting laid straight away.
 

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You can eat nice food, just not too mmuch.
Yep I believe @Chase wrote about being really big into desserts and keeping his indulgence throughout a calorie deficit. It's just math, like the rate of how fast a train burns coal vs. the rate you are shoveling in more coal.

Btw this X post from him is very important...


Point of fact, your words matter LESS than these 5 factors do:
1️⃣ Your voice tone (deep, calm = magnetic)
2️⃣ Your proximity (closer = MORE tension)
3️⃣ Your body language (open + relaxed = confident)
4️⃣ Your social proof (other women liking you = sexier)
5️⃣ Your status signals (style, posture, vibe > "saying the right lines") Stop obsessing over your words. Obsess over THESE factors instead.

But if you are horrible at reading social cues because of autism, going full fundamentals + freestyling might still lead you to saying some stupid shit. And I assume this might make improvising teasing a little harder.

So I do think it would really help you to have a little bit of a game plan with some default soundbites aligned with an understanding of the waypoints.

***

A1: Hi, how's your night going? [...] Sow how do you all know each other?

A2: Hey, can I get your opinion on something? I was talking to my friend Beatrice yesterday about the difficulty of choosing an outfit when she wants to go out and attract a guy to hook up with for a night... but also avoid too many creepers gawking at her figure so she can still feel comfortable. What would you suggest she wears in this situation?

A3: So tell me about yourself... what are you passionate about?

Move: Let's grab a seat over here. I want to hear more about this.

C1: That must feel really good when you can immerse yourself in that. I get a similar feeling when I [...].

Bounce: I need to get some air for a few minutes and rest my ears from all this music. Come join me outside for a second?

C2: [More on her passions; seed the pull]. So how did you first get into the nightlife? [...] Well I was tired of always sitting around having a beer with my buddies who only wanted to watch the game. I figured I had to take the risk of putting myself in new situations and see what adventure I could find. It's been pretty rewarding so far, meeting all sorts of cool people. Could you ever see yourself going out alone? [Unfairness sex talk gambit variation]

Bounce: Well, I should really head out to let my head settle from all this music and energy of the club. I love going out, but what's more important than a deep, satisfying sleep at the end? How about let's go to yours [or mine] to decompress and you can show me [or I can show you] that [thing we were talking about].

***

I don't know if something like that would work for you... I just made it up right now. But the point is just have something basic to default to for each major stage of the interaction.
 

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Yep I believe @Chase wrote about being really big into desserts and keeping his indulgence throughout a calorie deficit. It's just math, like the rate of how fast a train burns coal vs. the rate you are shoveling in more coal.

Btw this X post from him is very important...




But if you are horrible at reading social cues because of autism, going full fundamentals + freestyling might still lead you to saying some stupid shit. And I assume this might make improvising teasing a little harder.

So I do think it would really help you to have a little bit of a game plan with some default soundbites aligned with an understanding of the waypoints.

***

A1: Hi, how's your night going? [...] Sow how do you all know each other?

A2: Hey, can I get your opinion on something? I was talking to my friend Beatrice yesterday about the difficulty of choosing an outfit when she wants to go out and attract a guy to hook up with for a night... but also avoid too many creepers gawking at her figure so she can still feel comfortable. What would you suggest she wears in this situation?

A3: So tell me about yourself... what are you passionate about?

Move: Let's grab a seat over here. I want to hear more about this.

C1: That must feel really good when you can immerse yourself in that. I get a similar feeling when I [...].

Bounce: I need to get some air for a few minutes and rest my ears from all this music. Come join me outside for a second?

C2: [More on her passions; seed the pull]. So how did you first get into the nightlife? [...] Well I was tired of always sitting around having a beer with my buddies who only wanted to watch the game. I figured I had to take the risk of putting myself in new situations and see what adventure I could find. It's been pretty rewarding so far, meeting all sorts of cool people. Could you ever see yourself going out alone? [Unfairness sex talk gambit variation]

Bounce: Well, I should really head out to let my head settle from all this music and energy of the club. I love going out, but what's more important than a deep, satisfying sleep at the end? How about let's go to yours [or mine] to decompress and you can show me [or I can show you] that [thing we were talking about].

***

I don't know if something like that would work for you... I just made it up right now. But the point is just have something basic to default to for each major stage of the interaction.

That is good stuff there. It's about putting a.positive spin on things.

I did this a few weeks ago when I talked to a 2 set of 23 year old girls who expressed surprise by my age being 35 saying "you should be a settled down by now!".

Instead, I quipped, well, you see, I'm only just getting started! To which they were forced to concede.

A step by step method for the club would be good, although getting the girl isolated from her friends is a big obstacle so I question if I may keep falling at the first hurdle, being solo without a wing and then seen as more suspect.
 

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Yep I believe @Chase wrote about being really big into desserts and keeping his indulgence throughout a calorie deficit. It's just math, like the rate of how fast a train burns coal vs. the rate you are shoveling in more coal.

Yep.

I go to restaurants, have dessert after every meal, eat pizza once a week, sometimes other fast food.

I am 64 kg (141 lbs.) at 6'00" with decent enough musculature at 42.

The trick is I only have one meal a day half the week (dinner), and two the other half (heavier lunch, lighter dinner).

I have an apple earlier in the day and often a yogurt. That's enough to tide me over till dinner. You get a much clearer head throughout the day without having to send blood down to a full stomach multiple times throughout the day, too.

Guide to it here:


Your metabolism slows as you age. Working out won't really slim you down, unless you work out a LOT (like Michael Phelps-levels).

You have to eat less. You can either follow one of the diets where you eat as much as you want but of only specific foods (paleo, vegan, etc.), or you can do what I do and eat whatever you want, just not too much of it that you get fat.

Your body wants to store fat. Don't give it enough fat-building fuel to do that with, and you stay slim.

Nice thing about being slim is that you always look younger, because most folks 30+ develop paunches.

Women just assume you're 10+ years younger than you are if you aren't fat or tired looking, basically.

That is the fountain of youth: just don't be fat or look tired.

Also: dress well!

Chase
 

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Your metabolism slows as you age. Working out won't really slim you down, unless you work out a LOT (like Michael Phelps-levels).
Doesn't working out help with boosting your metabolism though?
 

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I am 64 kg (141 lbs.) at 6'00" with decent enough musculature at 42.
I’m confused.

I’ve been around this weight at the same height most of my life and always looked visibly skinny.

I thought I’d need at least 10 more kilos to look conventionally good.

Am I missing something?

Because if being bigger than this doesn’t provide a lot of returns seduction wise, I don’t even care about it honestly.
 

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You can either follow one of the diets where you eat as much as you want but of only specific foods (paleo, vegan, etc.), or you can do what I do and eat whatever you want, just not too much of it that you get fat.
++++1

Paleo worked wonders for me, taking me (180 cm tall) from 104 kg to 91 kg pretty fast.

But I found it unsustainable and gained a couple kgs back (thankfully not back to 104 though)

When I joined Kinobody's Movie Star Body program (highly recommended btw, especially it's bodyweight version, which is the only one I do), there was a group coaching call. Greg (the founder and main coach) told me what you basically explained and asked me to pick the one that I could commit to not for 3 months but for the rest of my life.

No brainer: I'd rather eat whatever I want and restrict the amount than restrict which foods I can eat.

After that, it was a sharp fall to around 71 kg with some decent muscle mass.
 

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Guys, come on, this is completely off topic now. I can understand 1 or 2 unrelated posts, but this is taking the Mickey. Chase, feel free to lock this thread, peace.
 

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@average_daygamer,

Guys, come on, this is completely off topic now. I can understand 1 or 2 unrelated posts, but this is taking the Mickey. Chase, feel free to lock this thread, peace.

Seemed like you had this concern:

I also read another post on here that says, in your 30s, you have to choice between hot girls and eating nice food, which I didn't like, because I enjoy eating nice food but still want to get laid with a girl at least once. But it gives me a feeling that the "walls are closing in" which I didn't like so I panicked and made this thread:cautious:

Then got a bunch of replies reassuring you that nope, not the case at all!

No one's making fun at all. Guys are having a good discussion about diet and physique -- one that you kicked off (so props)!


@504,

Chaseboss is RIPPED af 😲😲

Actually even at this body weight I still have some visible fat over my abs.

I'd probably have to drop another 10 lbs. to have chiseled abs (or, like, get my abs way more ripped, I guess).

I can maintain this present weight pretty easily but I'd likely need to reduce carbs/desserts a lot to cut that lean.

At least right now, I lack the motivation to take it that far :)


@James D,

Doesn't working out help with boosting your metabolism though?

It does. There are also tricks you can do like "work out in the morning on an empty stomach and don't eat anything for at least an hour" so you burn as much fat as possible.

The effect is not as big as you'd expect for hard workouts though. When I was in college I was lifting hard all the time and running my ass off on the treadmill but I could not lose weight no matter what I did (I was eating too much).

I can look back over the years at times I was exercising hard vs. not exercising at all and there's no correlation between fat weight gain/loss. But eating less/more, there is always a CRYSTAL CLEAR relationship between that and fat loss/gain.

If you ask me the #1 thing you can do physically if you want to keep fat weight off is to walk.

The times I was fattest were when I was working a sedentary job, driving everywhere, and yes, I was lifting weights, but I wasn't really walking much. I try to walk everywhere now. If there's an escalator, I walk up and down the escalator, or just skip the escalator and take the stairs. (Bonus points: get women to walk with you. Breaks them out of their lazy habits + instant compliance. Just tell them "Bruce Lee took the stairs -- so can we!")

One of my friends who's historically been in great shape had put some fat weight on. He was lifting, doing Cross-Fit, etc., but couldn't shed it. Then he started a walking challenge (he'd go walking for like 60-90 minutes straight... I have days where I walk that much or more, but it's split throughout the day) and a lot of the weight melted right off.


@ChrisXKiss,

I’m confused.

I’ve been around this weight at the same height most of my life and always looked visibly skinny.

I thought I’d need at least 10 more kilos to look conventionally good.

Am I missing something?

Because if being bigger than this doesn’t provide a lot of returns seduction wise, I don’t even care about it honestly.

Depends on muscle mass.

I lifted for a decade from 17-27. Have had stints in the gym since then but mostly do calisthenics now (Convict Conditioning).

Never got as big as some dudes did but I have visible muscles. I don't know if I'm any bigger now than I was when younger but I've gained in strength some.

If I was this weight without muscles I'd probably be skinny. No one thinks I'm skinny though... I get compliments from women on my physique, etc. (at least when my clothes are off).

I say this as a "skinny kid" all through my childhood and teenage years. "Skinny" was the word I heard over and over again... got called it constantly by the guys in the shop once I started doing auto work. Went away to school for a year, lifted my ass off, came back a year later and had guys in the shop saying, "WHOA! Chase got RIPPED!" (I didn't even realize anyone would notice... felt like I wasn't that big... but I guess there's a big difference between 'skinny' vs. 'has some muscles').

As far as returns seduction-wise, muscles are definitely a plus, but they're also a definitely "not gonna seduce girls all on their own" type of thing. As I've discussed, you will see lots of jacked dudes with fat/ugly chicks; big dudes who are lonely or struggling with girls; etc.


Will Gupta also had a good article on it here:


The Bony-to-Beastly article is probably the best for understanding body type vs. sexual appeal:


Women's preferred male body type, according to the survey:

how-much-muscle-do-women-find-most-attractive-in-men.jpg


So yeah, if you are in the "Skinny" range, you want to move more into the "Athletic" range -- then you are good.

Chase
 

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Marlon Brando's physique in Streetcar is close to women's ideal body for men.
 

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Actually even at this body weight I still have some visible fat over my abs.

I'd probably have to drop another 10 lbs. to have chiseled abs (or, like, get my abs way more ripped, I guess).

I can maintain this present weight pretty easily but I'd likely need to reduce carbs/desserts a lot to cut that lean.

At least right now, I lack the motivation to take it that far :)

Crazy! This goes to show that not every male body can be compared to another male body. Being almost 20 lbs heavier and almost 6 inches shorter than you, I still have my flat belly (lol how feminine) and I don't yet look "poofy" or chubby. I'm sure the weight of male bodies' legs also plays a role.

In any case it's great to have you Chase as a "model" or human guinea pig as to how lean/light we can become and still look great (we have your videos on GCTV). :)


It does. There are also tricks you can do like "work out in the morning on an empty stomach and don't eat anything for at least an hour" so you burn as much fat as possible.

The effect is not as big as you'd expect for hard workouts though. When I was in college I was lifting hard all the time and running my ass off on the treadmill but I could not lose weight no matter what I did (I was eating too much).

I can look back over the years at times I was exercising hard vs. not exercising at all and there's no correlation between fat weight gain/loss. But eating less/more, there is always a CRYSTAL CLEAR relationship between that and fat loss/gain.

If you ask me the #1 thing you can do physically if you want to keep fat weight off is to walk.

The times I was fattest were when I was working a sedentary job, driving everywhere, and yes, I was lifting weights, but I wasn't really walking much. I try to walk everywhere now. If there's an escalator, I walk up and down the escalator, or just skip the escalator and take the stairs. (Bonus points: get women to walk with you. Breaks them out of their lazy habits + instant compliance. Just tell them "Bruce Lee took the stairs -- so can we!")

One of my friends who's historically been in great shape had put some fat weight on. He was lifting, doing Cross-Fit, etc., but couldn't shed it. Then he started a walking challenge (he'd go walking for like 60-90 minutes straight... I have days where I walk that much or more, but it's split throughout the day) and a lot of the weight melted right off.

Very great point exercise vs. calories.

People often overestimate how many calories we burn when we work out (as opposed to having a physically demanding job) ... and how good our minds are at making us just hungrier enough after working out to add in the calories we burned back into our bodies. :LOL:

Workout with weights: 200-600 calories burned...
vs...
Walking everything and everywhere during a day of errands (and using the stairs): 500-1200 calories burned :D
 

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If you ask me the #1 thing you can do physically if you want to keep fat weight off is to walk.
Yes, for sure.

And walking doesn't make you hungry. When I used to do lots of cardio, I was also ravenous.
 

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metabolism slowing with age is kind of a myth after age 20-60 is the same, after 60 super slowly decline.... https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abe5017

A recent study examined total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) and Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) over the course of human life in a large number of subjects (6421 for TDEE & 2008 for BMR) and found some pretty interesting outcomes.

TDEE/BMR are closely tied to Fat Free Mass (FFM) and to a lesser extent Fat Mass (FM). As adult men have greater FFM than women and adults have greater FFM than children, this means their absolute TDEE/BMR are greater. However, when corrected for FFM & FM, men and women had NO difference in TDEE.

Newborns have a normal BMR/TDEE for their FFM/FM but this accelerates rapidly during the first 1-2 years of life peaking at around 50% greater than normal, then slowly declining throughout childhood and adolescence back to a normal level by age 20. The increased BMR/TDEE is likely due to the fact that children have greater contribution of FFM from more metabolically active organs like liver, heart, & brain compared to skeletal muscle on a per gram basis.

The most interesting finding is that from age 20 to age 60 (adulthood), TDEE/BMR remain absolutely rock stable when corrected for FFM/FM and were not different between men and women. After age 60 there was a progressive decline in TDEE/BMR even when corrected for losses of FFM/FM but this decline was relatively slow at approximately 0.7% per year.

Another factor that may contribute to declines in TDEE is the reduction in physical activity with age as research has demonstrated that elderly people stand and walk significantly less than young people leading to significant reductions in calories expended via non exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT), and exercise activity.



 
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