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trashKENNUT

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Hi Guys,

I just want to note everyone who knows to handle disrespect and matters out of hand that makes her disrespect you. I have only been in a long term relationship once,(two years). So basically, afterawhile, everyone loses respect for each other, because of no longer provides the same feelings, or someone tells her you are a player beforehand, or you lose your job and you kind of tied at that moment.

Whatever it is,I would like to know how you handle matters. For me i find myself being too quiet in the past and letting barrages of mortar, just not acknowledging that matter and didn't talk to her for days. There are some girls who just don't feel wrong or want to apologise to you.

I'm just collecting data here, Thanks Guys.

Zac.
 

Just_Dave

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Hey Zac,

This is a huge topic to cover in just one post. Here are two articles from girlschase that I find most beneficial.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/fighting-relationship-causes-and-cures Fighting causes and cures

https://www.girlschase.com/content/end-relationship-drama-these-2-rules End relationship drama with these two rules

From my own experience I heavily framed in my the beginning of my current relationship how I want to be treated and how I will treat her. Whenever she has a problem and looks upset we sit down and discuss the matter. I tell her I want her to have fun around me and feel like she can tell me when something is bothering her. I tell her I can tell and it's only going to effect our evening or long term relationship if we can't communicate. This also ties in with not being judgmental.

Another thing I did at the beginning was get an idea of what makes the other mad. She told me she wouldn't know what to do if I ever got mad. I simply relied to be working together shouldn't attempt to make the other mad. They simply should build each other up. Like I said this is a huge topic and this is just my perspective.

One final note you should always calmly and powerfully shoot down any disrespect. "Don't speak to that way." i know Chase wrote another topic awhile ago on fighting. Woman do it to test you and try and gain the upper hand in relationships. Don't simply ignore it, ignoring problems doesn't make them go away. It only makes things worse. Call out the fight!

Chase said:
Now, I say, "Okay, you're fighting with me. I think what's happening is you're feeling insecure and you're trying to break me, so that you can get to feeling more stable and secure in the relationship. But of course, if you break me, then I become weak, you'll lose respect for me and attraction for me, and I'll be a lot less productive or able to get things done in any area of my life, and that's bad no matter how you cut it. So, me being broken is not good, and that's not something let happen, and I don't think you really want to have that happen anyway. So this is no good."

This is from the Cause and Cures post. Anyway this is a great topic Zac, but like I said many others will have to contribute because it's just so huge of a topic.

Take care,

Just Dave
 

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If she is disrespecting you, there are only two reasons:

1) You haven't earned it
2) She feels superior over you - She has gotten too comfortable with you and felt like she can walk over you.

If number 1) is true for you, then you need to be treating her the way you want to be treated.
Respect is mutual - it goes both ways.
The moment you stop respecting someone, they will stop respecting you. That's all it is.

If number 2) is true for you, then it is because you allowed it to happen!
To make this clear:
By no means should you (mind my language) tolerate any shit from her.
The moment you allowed her to get away with disrespecting you the first time, she gets comfortable. She feels that "its ok" and that "its normal" to do so.
The only person to blame is yourself for allowing this to happen, and not communicating the boundaries to her from the beginning.

If she chooses to ignore your warning, just simply point to the door, and tell her "you can always leave if you're not happy. But I won't allow myself to be disrespected by anyone."

Either way, you don't want someone like that anyway. If she doesn't know what respect is, then she doesn't deserve you.
 

trashKENNUT

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Thanks Guys,

The points are great. I look into it. I hope our fellow guys, and also Chase and Franco to spice things up, if they have any.

Thanks,
Zac
 
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ProblemSolving

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ZacAdam said:
Hi Guys,

I just want to note everyone who knows to handle disrespect and matters out of hand that makes her disrespect you. I have only been in a long term relationship once,(two years). So basically, afterawhile, everyone loses respect for each other, because of no longer provides the same feelings, or someone tells her you are a player beforehand, or you lose your job and you kind of tied at that moment.

Whatever it is,I would like to know how you handle matters. For me i find myself being too quiet in the past and letting barrages of mortar, just not acknowledging that matter and didn't talk to her for days. There are some girls who just don't feel wrong or want to apologise to you.

I'm just collecting data here, Thanks Guys.

Zac.

Hey Zac!

Women will always test you in your weakest moments like the ones you described, and because you're in a weakened state it's often easy to overreact. You must always call out disrespect, but I find remaining calm and collected projects the most strength.

Lately, my girl has been playing a little game to test the waters in my weakened state. What she does is demand compliance for an action I'm already doing for her in a jokingly manner. Here's a recent example:

We're shopping in a mall and I'm walking towards her and she says, "Come. Here! Come. Here!" Like she's scolding a dog. Then she laughs to let me know she's just "joking". I thought it was a little weird, but I thought nothing of it until she started doing similar things. I made sure the next time she does it, I'd call her out on it. Here's what happened:

We had made plans for her to come over to my place right after work around dinner time. A few hours before the end of her shift she texts me this:

G: "I'll be hungry when I get there. Make a romantic dinner for your girl hahaha." (I had already planned on making dinner, but now I look weak for making her dinner)

Me: "I don't listen to demands. Do you want to meet at (some grocery store) to grab some things?"

She responds saying that I"m way to serious, she's not coming over and I ruined her day. I don't overreact and simply say, "Ok". I knew she'd come around and she does show up at my place later and we discuss this issue. I told her I don't like it when she demands things that I am already doing for her, even if she is "just joking". She gets upset saying that I don't understand her and she doesn't want to have to censor herself around her own boyfriend. However, this "joking" is similar to the little kid who says, "You're useless... just kidding hahaha". It's not clever or funny. What would have been funny is if she said, "I'll be hungry when I get there. Make sure you roll out the red carpet and have the butler ready".

I told her if she wants something from me, she should ASK politely and not demand. She said she really didn't see much of a difference between asking and demanding, which maybe true since she's of a different ethnicity and culture than mine. Nonetheless, I didn't like it and now she knows. What she does with that information is up to her, but I will not hesitate to call out disrespectful behavior.
 

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Hey Zac,

I’ll add in addition to what Dave and Light have said it’s somewhat dependent on the kind of disrespect.

Typically, you’ll want to call girls out on disrespect and shut them down, and then properly address complaints when they try to tell you you’re overreacting.

So, let’s say your girl gets pissy about something (she started thinking about something you told her once about an ex-girlfriend of yours and you and starts feeling jealous, say), and so she starts acting disrespectfully.

Two major ones:

  • There are revocations of kindnesses / investment, like: “I’m not cooking for you tonight, you can make your own food.”

  • And there are efforts to demean you or lower your status, like: “I think you’re not actually very strong. A strong man wouldn’t [something you did].”

If it’s a revocation of kindness, you can say, “That’s good. I don’t want your food,” then go put your meal on. Then ignore her. Effectively, what she was doing was trying to use passive-aggressiveness to get a rise out of you. You can’t attack it head on because then you’re putting more effort in than she is. So you throw her passive-aggressiveness back at her, aiming to get her to blow up first and bring things to a head so you can deal with them and resolve the issue.

If she doesn’t blow up, you can escalate; after a little while of ignoring her, you can say, “Actually, you should probably just go; if you’re going to behave like this and I don’t know why, I don’t really want this kind of negativity around me, so it’s better if you go home,” (or tell her you’re leaving and why if you’re at her place).

If it’s an effort to demean you, call her out and tell her that’s bullshit. “You got back together with your ex-girlfriend. Only people who don’t know what they want go back to their exes… you’re NOT strong.”

You’d respond with, “I got back with my ex-girlfriend because I was behaving emotionally weak then. I’d never gone through that kind of situation before, and it was new and confusing for me. I was weak, then I got my bearings back, and I ended things with her for good. Now I’ve gone through it, and I'll never have to go through it again because it's done and handled. You’re acting like the only man who’s strong is one who’s never known weakness, but I disagree. True strength is feeling weakness, and overcoming it. The man who’s been strong all his life and never known weakness will crumble and break when he encounters any true hardship.”

If you get complaints about you defending yourself (like ProblemSolving mentions his girlfriend brought up), you need to make sure she understands how important reputation management is. I frequently tell women this:

“Look, you said you thought I was weak. You’re one of the more important people in my life, you spend a lot of time around me, and your views have a lot of subconscious influence on me. So yes, absolutely, if you’re going around saying and thinking and acting like I’m weak, I’m going to beat that belief to a pulp until you don’t have it anymore, because I don’t want you influencing me in a negative way. No matter how strong someone is, he’s subject to the influences of the people around him, and I don’t want you treating me like and suggesting to me that I’m weak, because I’m not, and I won't tolerate it. I don't treat you that way and I expect you not to treat me like that either.”

So long as you tackle disrespect the moment it surfaces, and you don’t let up until it’s vanquished, you can keep it to a minimum. No long-term relationship is totally free of it, though if you do a good job of maintaining your strength and beating disrespect back when it surfaces, you’ll frequently have long stretches of peace, bookended by periods of strife and testing, usually when she starts feeling insecure, or you’re ill or emotionally weak for some other reason and she senses weakness and starts needling, probing, or attacking outright.

Chase
 

trashKENNUT

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After reading advices coming from all you guys, I appreciate the time to anaylse and put it here for me. :) The advices are great, however i am looking also into different sources and garner more information too, and perhaps create a general pattern for myself.

I might share if i find something interesting that we can learn and relate, and a new view maybe.

Thanks Guys,
Zac
 

trashKENNUT

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DrexelScott,

DrexelScott said:
Drama is her way to get you invested in the relationship. She wants your mental energy and attention. If she tried to get it like a child (ie, drama) then by ignoring her you teach her to act like an adult when she wants something.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Zac
 

trashKENNUT

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Ego BOOST DAY and p.s: Someone was going thru breakup the other day where he got cheated. I hope this add to your notes.

:D


Time to bump.
Zac ;)
 
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