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I watched a show where a guy was dating a girl who resembled his mom's personality. At first he didn't see it but at the end he found out and was ready to end the interaction. However, the girl's fundamentals were so tight that she just gave off this aura of sexuality and femininity. So the guy didn't really care anymore and he got laid.

I can think of a few girls who I don't like, yet if their fundamentals were tighter, I'd probably go for since I find them a wee bit attractive. But I also know girls who fundamentals wouldn't really help since I don't like them at all.

Does this mean that universally....fundamentals only boost attraction? They don't necessarily create it? Like a girl who's still on the fence about you, the attraction is still there, fundamentals just tip the scale in your favour.

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It's all relative... if a girl sees 10 guys who are more-less average looking and average behavior, average confidence, average self esteem, average dominance, average fitness and so on, is she attracted? Sure, she may ended up marrying one of them. He's a guy and she's a girl, polarities attract each other...

But what if one of these guys improves his looks, puts on better clothes, increases his confident behavior, shows leadership skills, takes overall good care of himself, gets fit and muscular by exercising, takes more positive approach to life - will she prefer him to those other 9 guys? You bet, the attraction will much increase, she will want to be with him...

But there is way more to it... We are guys and as such we should be simple minded. Look at it this way: feminine energy is lots of emotions, lots of complex thinking, lots of indecisiveness.... the girl is usually all over the place, she changes her appearance and hairstyle all the time, she changes her mind all the time, her emotions fluctuate all the time and so forth, in simple words she is unstable.... She doesn't understand her mind and emotions so she studies psychology, goes to therapies, has to have lots of girls around, has to go shopping all the time so she can be excited from new stuff and so forth...

Masculine energy is rather simple and straightforward - not so much emotional involvement as emotions are under control, simple yet logical thinking, more stability and determination, less emotional involvement... Masculine guy is logical, he studies things like math and engineering where he can apply strict logic, or he builds new stuff, whether it is robots, buildings, his body... Masculine guy conquers things, he achieves goals, he competes, he wants to win, he believes himself, he is relying on his own logic and so on...

The problem in today's society is that females adapted too much of masculine energy while males adapted too much feminine energy, so both of these energies are sort of canceling each other out. We have independent women, smart and bright, competing with males, running for public office, being CEO and so forth. Which guy wants to be around such female? It is definitely not masculine guy as he is attracted to femininity (and not masculinity).

At the same time we have lots of feminine males, guys who don't want to compete, guys who thrive on emotions and therapies, guys who are unstable and indecisive, you name it... simply guys who adapted too much feminine energy. Who wants to be around such guys? Not feminine girls, they are not attracted to feminine guys... They have no respect for feminine guys, they ignore them, they don't want to date them, they don't want to sleep with them, they don't have any problems flaking on them or dump them with no remorse...

And that is exactly what is going on in today's society, females have too much masculine energy and males have too much feminine energy... There may be attraction but these energies also cancel each other out a lot...

When a girl wants a guy, all she has to do is become feminine. She starts behaving submissively, and the interested guy usually goes for it... it's very easy for him because now he feels very masculine (as she behaves submissively). One easy test she can do is throw some obstacles in his way, she can simply put some masculinity to her behavior - she starts talking about other guy or BF in her life, she starts making decisions or giving commands to the guy - and observes what he does. A guy with low masculinity and high femininity will cave in, he will back off, he will comply with her commands and desires... She knows right away he is only faking... But real masculine guy remains masculine no matter what, he will never submit to her domineering behavior... he will pass her shit test and not even realize that he was just tested...

So when you look at fundamentals you have to look at the underlying mindset and behavior as well, not just superficial behavior, decent clothes or improved body language, couple sexy smiles and looks... These are only the 10% top of the iceberg that is seen, while the other 90% of fundamentals is in masculine mindset and behavior... See, the girls are very smart, they will see through the superficiality right away. What really matters though is the underlying 90%, that is way more important than the superficial appearance. As a matter of fact, if you truly understand the 90%, you don't really have to worry much about the rest 10%, because that will simply surface on its own...

See, you can fake masculine appearance, and you can become a great faker - but you can't really fake masculine behavior or mindset. And that is where you will be tested the most, whether you are just a fake or real man...

So again, it is the masculine mindset, masculine believes and behaviors that matter, and not really the superficial appearance. That is what makes the difference between immature boys and grown up men. Once you have enough of masculine energy, even many feminists will start feeling strong attraction towards you, they may be very confused, they may hate the masculine energy in you because that is against everything they believe, they may dump you with no regrets as well - but they will be very very attracted to you and they will be aroused around you... there is just no other way because she is just a female with female hormones and thus female mindset...

Another problem in this society is that there is virtually a war on masculinity. Females want to be equal to males, and many males support them in such nonsense.... Be careful how you interpret this though, it is not about e.g. job equality or equal pay (for the same performed job). Of course everybody wants to get paid the same money for the same amount of work, and they should regardless gender or race. It's really about the masculine vs feminine energy where females compete with males in dominant positions, while males are choosing feminine/submissive behaviors just because they are simply more comfortable and easier...

Let me tell you one more thing, and that is perhaps the key: if you are too comfortable and have too easy life, you can bet that you are saturated with feminine energy. Once you as a guy have too much feminine energy you can bet that you are not that attractive to females, no matter how you try to fake fundamentals.... Comfort and easy life is for pussies, it is not for real men... Real men struggle, they conquer, they achieve, they fight, and they win... At the same time they don't give a damn whether they are attractive or not, or what girls think of them - they simply know that they are very attractive because of the masculine behavior...
 

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Ash,

Think of it this way. You or Women are walking advertisement. And if you find her interesting, you already click on the banner ad. So you literally in her world.

The key that separates the experts from the rest, is the blip between two worlds.

This is the most fundamental secret, not fundamentals in terms of body language but a principle of life. If you don't get this, you will miss out on many girls. Not saying that you won't get girls.

And to most people, this is a cognitive dissonance. A huge one. You be mind blown by it. And that's probably why women want to shut down 24hour massage parlours or men guard their women. and to be fair, i believe most men don't get to this level. Even myself is not there yet. Though it is just a term. The Sexual threat is an amazing insight.

to deviate, most high level men are just not interested in taking an 'obvious' girlfriend. :)

Zac
 

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Wow!

Wow, wow, wow!

I never looked at anything like that. But it makes so much sense. The guys who are oversensitive, the girls who are overdominant. I feel like I've been asleep through my life and now I've just woken up.

Drck said:
When a girl wants a guy, all she has to do is become feminine. She starts behaving submissively, and the interested guy usually goes for it... it's very easy for him because now he feels very masculine (as she behaves submissively). One easy test she can do is throw some obstacles in his way, she can simply put some masculinity to her behavior - she starts talking about other guy or BF in her life, she starts making decisions or giving commands to the guy - and observes what he does. A guy with low masculinity and high femininity will cave in, he will back off, he will comply with her commands and desires... She knows right away he is only faking... But real masculine guy remains masculine no matter what, he will never submit to her domineering behavior... he will pass her shit test and not even realize that he was just tested...

Lol, I've been so guilty of doing this. Especially when I'm nervous around her. I never realized how feminine doing this was. It seems like something is subtly wrong, but if you know what to look for (which most girls know) then this mistake just glares you in a ridiculously obvious way.

Drck said:
So when you look at fundamentals you have to look at the underlying mindset and behavior as well, not just superficial behavior, decent clothes or improved body language, couple sexy smiles and looks... These are only the 10% top of the iceberg that is seen, while the other 90% of fundamentals is in masculine mindset and behavior... See, the girls are very smart, they will see through the superficiality right away. What really matters though is the underlying 90%, that is way more important than the superficial appearance. As a matter of fact, if you truly understand the 90%, you don't really have to worry much about the rest 10%, because that will simply surface on its own...

See, you can fake masculine appearance, and you can become a great faker - but you can't really fake masculine behavior or mindset. And that is where you will be tested the most, whether you are just a fake or real man...

So again, it is the masculine mindset, masculine believes and behaviors that matter, and not really the superficial appearance. That is what makes the difference between immature boys and grown up men. Once you have enough of masculine energy, even many feminists will start feeling strong attraction towards you, they may be very confused, they may hate the masculine energy in you because that is against everything they believe, they may dump you with no regrets as well - but they will be very very attracted to you and they will be aroused around you... there is just no other way because she is just a female with female hormones and thus female mindset...

I never really focused on mindsets. I always thought that it would be best if I worked on getting good with girls so I could develop my own unique mindset. But now that I think about it, It would have taken me a while to get better with girls because of the masculinity that I lacked whenever I'm facing a possible lay or even relationship with a girl. I know a lot of people that would call me sensitive. (which is kinda weird coz I've also been called an asshole many times. Its a cause for further research I suppose).

Drck said:
Another problem in this society is that there is virtually a war on masculinity. Females want to be equal to males, and many males support them in such nonsense.... Be careful how you interpret this though, it is not about e.g. job equality or equal pay (for the same performed job). Of course everybody wants to get paid the same money for the same amount of work, and they should regardless gender or race. It's really about the masculine vs feminine energy where females compete with males in dominant positions, while males are choosing feminine/submissive behaviors just because they are simply more comfortable and easier...

Let me tell you one more thing, and that is perhaps the key: if you are too comfortable and have too easy life, you can bet that you are saturated with feminine energy. Once you as a guy have too much feminine energy you can bet that you are not that attractive to females, no matter how you try to fake fundamentals.... Comfort and easy life is for pussies, it is not for real men... Real men struggle, they conquer, they achieve, they fight, and they win... At the same time they don't give a damn whether they are attractive or not, or what girls think of them - they simply know that they are very attractive because of the masculine behavior...

That explains why there aren't many guys who are doing as fantastic with the opposite sex as they should be. And why some guys can go their whole lifetimes having girl problems. Its because they fall victim to the ideals portrayed by the flawed mindset they have and that society gives them. And since they listen to society and all the rules they just end up in a self perpetuating loophole that just increases their femininity.

ZacAdam said:
Think of it this way. You or Women are walking advertisement. And if you find her interesting, you already click on the banner ad. So you literally in her world.

Right, the body language is what attracts them. And the mindset will keep them and even automatically give me the fundamentals I need to attract her.

ZacAdam said:
The key that separates the experts from the rest, is the blip between two worlds.

The masculinity and femininity of the two sexes helps differentiate the two. I guess that's why its a complete turnoff when guys acts submissive and needy. Their girly traits! Man, I even made the mistake on many occassions of hoping that the girl would make the first move or make the hard decisions (like where will we go out on the date). I now see why that was a mistake.

ZacAdam said:
This is the most fundamental secret, not fundamentals in terms of body language but a principle of life. If you don't get this, you will miss out on many girls. Not saying that you won't get girls.

Yeah. Your right. I should make this mindset thing a priority straight away.

ZacAdam said:
And to most people, this is a cognitive dissonance. A huge one. You be mind blown by it. And that's probably why women want to shut down 24hour massage parlours or men guard their women. and to be fair, i believe most men don't get to this level. Even myself is not there yet. Though it is just a term. The Sexual threat is an amazing insight.

Yeah. Guys acting feminine, girls acting masculine....that's the definition of cognitive dissonance. Lol. Seriously guys, you blew my mind. I'm gonna have a serious look at my masculinity and ways to improve it. I can see that a lot of the articles and materials on the site already work to do that. But since I've only been worried about physical improvements, I feel excited to start working on mental improvements towards actually thinking like a man.

Thanks a lot guys! Really profound stuff.
 
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