Do Women Have It Better Than Men?

[Richard]

-Richard

How do you prevent this? Do women give nice guys fake IOI and that's how they get married and/or do they still sleep with the nice guy after marriage and at the same time as with the "dominant or alpha" guy?

I'm not sure if I needed much "game", along with lack of fundamentals, to sleep with the women who seemed to genuinely like me from the get go. So am wondering now if I'm a bit of a nice guy, or if it's a coincidence and I went through a lot of rejections to meet just a handful of women that by chance, liked me in my current state?[/quote]

You do as much as you can to prevent it and leave the rest in the wind. Chase wrote an article on it; here.

The thing is, as you become a more genuine man and live more in-line with your own goals and stop focusing so much on women then you'll find that women will want to stay around you. It's something that's harder to understand when you're still getting your feet in the water, though.

It seems a bit backwards to think and is a lot harder to understand when you're still green but one of the most attractive qualities a guy can have is his willingness/ability to walk away. So, if a girl is attracted to you and you show an ability to leave if things go south then a woman is a lot less likely to act up and a lot more likely to do things, specifically, to keep that guy around. It's backwards because most guys think "If you're willing to leave, and she knows, why doesn't SHE just leave?" Of course, this only works when you have other attractive qualities and she wants YOU.

Anyway, at GC we, more or less, help guys become that attractive guy so that these things happen a lot more naturally. One last thing, if you're actively approaching women then a woman goes into the relationship knowing you have the ability to meet new women - it's a big reason of why I prefer daygame over any other style because it sets a great precedent moving forward with a girl.

-Richard

Keep in mind - as long as women are sleeping with you then it doesn't really matter what kind of guy you are (nice or edgy, etc.) because once you sleep with a girl a few times then it's a lot easier to make her yours and keep her loyal to you.

 

[ResentMasculinity]

still, I highly doubt anyone can think of any women over 30 who are either a virgin or never had a boyfriend before, but can think of countless guys like that the other way around

 

[Big Daddy]

But that's not "winning" for girls as it is for guys -- you're trying to see the women's side through a male perspective.

She might have fucked a handful of guys before, but probably she had no say in which guys. She just went with what life threw her way, which is equally terrorizing for her. Because now at 30 she's quickly losing her fertile period while her family + society pressure her into settling with a guy and having kids and she's with a chump.

That also influences her career and everything, and chances are she earns less than you average virgin programmer too... so life is not bright for her necessarily.

 

[ResentMasculinity]

But that's not "winning" for girls as it is for guys -- you're trying to see the women's side through a male perspective.

She might have fucked a handful of guys before, but probably she had no say in which guys. She just went with what life threw her way, which is equally terrorizing for her. Because now at 30 she's quickly losing her fertile period while her family + society pressure her into settling with a guy and having kids and she's with a chump.

That also influences her career and everything, and chances are she earns less than you average virgin programmer too... so life is not bright for her necessarily.

I don't get what you mean on how you say girls had no say in which guys, she does, she gets to accept or decline whichever guys come up to her, because guys can't force their way onto women, just because a guy approaches a woman, doesn't guarantee he will get her, she has a say in it too you know, but the main point you are trying to make, is that because of how its often said womens mating market value declines? Well reason why I like to look at it as women still having it better in the mating game, is that even if womens mating value declines after 30, she can easily look back and be proud of herself of the boyfriends, sex-partners she's had, while a guy over 30 can easily be depressed over the years they missed out on, years they missed out on dating/sex, years they will never get back. Even if she earns less than her average male virgin programmer, that virgin programmer, would probably kill to be able to get laid as easily as the average girl can, since it is often said women are the gatekeepers to sex.

 

[lostnumber]

But that's not "winning" for girls as it is for guys -- you're trying to see the women's side through a male perspective.

She might have fucked a handful of guys before, but probably she had no say in which guys. She just went with what life threw her way, which is equally terrorizing for her. Because now at 30 she's quickly losing her fertile period while her family + society pressure her into settling with a guy and having kids and she's with a chump.

That also influences her career and everything, and chances are she earns less than you average virgin programmer too... so life is not bright for her necessarily.

I don't get what you mean on how you say girls had no say in which guys, she does, she gets to accept or decline whichever guys come up to her, because guys can't force their way onto women, just because a guy approaches a woman, doesn't guarantee he will get her, she has a say in it too you know, but the main point you are trying to make, is that because of how its often said womens mating market value declines? Well reason why I like to look at it as women still having it better in the mating game, is that even if womens mating value declines after 30, she can easily look back and be proud of herself of the boyfriends, sex-partners she's had, while a guy over 30 can easily be depressed over the years they missed out on, years they missed out on dating/sex, years they will never get back. Even if she earns less than her average male virgin programmer, that virgin programmer, would probably kill to be able to get laid as easily as the average girl can, since it is often said women are the gatekeepers to sex.

Its different though, because almost always men are the pursuers and women are the pursued. A man can chase after any girl he wants, although his odds of success may vary wildly.

For women, their options are limited to men that pursue them. A not very attractive woman can get sex easily, but its going to be with a not very attractive man. And there isn't nearly as much she can do to change that compared to a guy

 

[Big Daddy]

I don't get what you mean on how you say girls had no say in which guys, she does, she gets to accept or decline whichever guys come up to her, because guys can't force their way onto women, just because a guy approaches a woman, doesn't guarantee he will get her, she has a say in it too you know, but the main point you are trying to make, is that because of how its often said womens mating market value declines? Well reason why I like to look at it as women still having it better in the mating game, is that even if womens mating value declines after 30, she can easily look back and be proud of herself of the boyfriends, sex-partners she's had, while a guy over 30 can easily be depressed over the years they missed out on, years they missed out on dating/sex, years they will never get back. Even if she earns less than her average male virgin programmer, that virgin programmer, would probably kill to be able to get laid as easily as the average girl can, since it is often said women are the gatekeepers to sex.

She had no say in which guys approached her. You can go on an approach 1,000 you find cute on the street; from a women's perspective, she has to decide between the guys who go talk to her. And the majority of the time, it's not the guy she likes.

This is Chase:

Liz is cute, beyond doubt. No one disputes that. She has a fun personality, and is a total sweetheart. She has no trouble getting dates. The trouble she's always had is getting dates with men she WANTS to date.

Her second to last boyfriend was pretty good looking and had a good job. But he was a complete and utter bore. She tried to stick it out anyway, but not just was he a bore, he treated her like a piece of furniture. Eventually she had to bail.

After that boyfriend (Steve), she decided to broaden her search. "I'm not even looking at looks anymore," she said. "And I'll take a guy with not as good a job."

The next guy she dated (Chris) was confident and had a fun personality. Not much of a looker, but she didn't care. The relationship was great... At first. But then Chris cheated on her. She forgave him, but he did it again. Then again. At last, she broke up with him.

She's been single for the last five months. There's a guy in her office she thinks is real cute. She smiles at him and says hi, but he never does much with her. She'd ask him out herself, but... She's scared. If he rejects her, it will be AWFUL. It's bad for a guy to get rejected. But guys are SUPPOSED to approach. No one's going to give him too hard a time if he tries and fails.

But if a GIRL gets rejected? She looks aggressive AND desperate. No matter how much she likes him, she just CAN'T. So she waits. And hopes. Maybe someday, he will ask. In the meantime, she goes to the bars with her friends. But usually she goes home frustrated. There are cute guys there. There are confident guys there. There are fun guys there.
But either they don't talk to her, or they just talk a little bit, then take off.

The guys she gets who talk to her are usually drunk and sloppy. Or, she meets a guy she LIKES, but at some point he ejects. He doesn't stick around. Most often though is she sees a guy she thinks she'd like... and they lock eyes... and she smiles at him. But he doesn't do anything. He never comes to say hello. It's a rejection, she knows.

She doesn't know WHY he doesn't come to talk to her. Maybe he has a girlfriend. Or maybe he doesn't like her look? But everyone says she's the cutest. She looks at all these guys out there. Dating whomever they want. As MANY whomevers as they want. FREE to walk up to ANY girl and ask her out. Sure, not every girl says yes... But some of them do.

The guy gets to CHOOSE. The power and freedom men have... What she wouldn't do to have that.

Guys have it so easy.

Also, men can fuck multiple women way past 30. Seppuku is in his 50s I believe, take a look at his journal if ya don't get what I mean. If you are so worried of getting to age X and looking back feeling like you missed out, you better start working on that now.

 

[ResentMasculinity]

I don't get what you mean on how you say girls had no say in which guys, she does, she gets to accept or decline whichever guys come up to her, because guys can't force their way onto women, just because a guy approaches a woman, doesn't guarantee he will get her, she has a say in it too you know, but the main point you are trying to make, is that because of how its often said womens mating market value declines? Well reason why I like to look at it as women still having it better in the mating game, is that even if womens mating value declines after 30, she can easily look back and be proud of herself of the boyfriends, sex-partners she's had, while a guy over 30 can easily be depressed over the years they missed out on, years they missed out on dating/sex, years they will never get back. Even if she earns less than her average male virgin programmer, that virgin programmer, would probably kill to be able to get laid as easily as the average girl can, since it is often said women are the gatekeepers to sex.

She had no say in which guys approached her. You can go on an approach 1,000 you find cute on the street; from a women's perspective, she has to decide between the guys who go talk to her. And the majority of the time, it's not the guy she likes.

This is Chase:

Liz is cute, beyond doubt. No one disputes that. She has a fun personality, and is a total sweetheart. She has no trouble getting dates. The trouble she's always had is getting dates with men she WANTS to date.

Her second to last boyfriend was pretty good looking and had a good job. But he was a complete and utter bore. She tried to stick it out anyway, but not just was he a bore, he treated her like a piece of furniture. Eventually she had to bail.

After that boyfriend (Steve), she decided to broaden her search. "I'm not even looking at looks anymore," she said. "And I'll take a guy with not as good a job."

The next guy she dated (Chris) was confident and had a fun personality. Not much of a looker, but she didn't care. The relationship was great... At first. But then Chris cheated on her. She forgave him, but he did it again. Then again. At last, she broke up with him.

She's been single for the last five months. There's a guy in her office she thinks is real cute. She smiles at him and says hi, but he never does much with her. She'd ask him out herself, but... She's scared. If he rejects her, it will be AWFUL. It's bad for a guy to get rejected. But guys are SUPPOSED to approach. No one's going to give him too hard a time if he tries and fails.

But if a GIRL gets rejected? She looks aggressive AND desperate. No matter how much she likes him, she just CAN'T. So she waits. And hopes. Maybe someday, he will ask. In the meantime, she goes to the bars with her friends. But usually she goes home frustrated. There are cute guys there. There are confident guys there. There are fun guys there.
But either they don't talk to her, or they just talk a little bit, then take off.

The guys she gets who talk to her are usually drunk and sloppy. Or, she meets a guy she LIKES, but at some point he ejects. He doesn't stick around. Most often though is she sees a guy she thinks she'd like... and they lock eyes... and she smiles at him. But he doesn't do anything. He never comes to say hello. It's a rejection, she knows.

She doesn't know WHY he doesn't come to talk to her. Maybe he has a girlfriend. Or maybe he doesn't like her look? But everyone says she's the cutest. She looks at all these guys out there. Dating whomever they want. As MANY whomevers as they want. FREE to walk up to ANY girl and ask her out. Sure, not every girl says yes... But some of them do.

The guy gets to CHOOSE. The power and freedom men have... What she wouldn't do to have that.

Guys have it so easy.

Also, men can fuck multiple women way past 30. Seppuku is in his 50s I believe, take a look at his journal if ya don't get what I mean. If you are so worried of getting to age X and looking back feeling like you missed out, you better start working on that now.

So women can't have sex with multiple men past 30? another thing, there are thousands, millions of needy, desperate men out there, so when women get older they still have loads, tons of options. That's whats always bothered me, people say us guys get to choose, sure we get to choose who we approach but we never control the outcome, that's the womans gift.

Ya there are times I feel like getting into a fight to release my anger, rage and frustration over the cards I was dealt with for being born male, I've had those thoughts for years now.

 

[lostnumber]

Resent masculinity, how many 50 year old women do you know that are routinely sleeping with 30 year old men? I'd venture the answer is zero. But its definitely possible and not even uncommon for men to be sleeping with younger women into their 50s and beyond

Certainly there are benefits to being a woman, but personally I thank the stars every day that I was born a man.

 

[Michal]

I agree there needs to be a more precise definition for the "better". Meaning, better at what?

She had no say in which guys approached her. You can go on an approach 1,000 you find cute on the street; from a women's perspective, she has to decide between the guys who go talk to her. And the majority of the time, it's not the guy she likes.

Here's the kicker though, are looks the only aspect for you to like a girl? Because I bet that the moment you approach those 1,000 girls, majoriy of them does not seem as promising prospects. Either they seem disinterested, aloof, bitchy, cold, awkward, or even stupid, uninteresting, too negative, too self-absorbed, whatever it is. You get that 1,000 narrowed down pretty quickly into any potential prospects. Example time: Just like a girl gets approached by 2 guys every day, she likes maybe one each week. But that is a statistic very dependant on how attractive she is and how high her standards are.

Anyways...
Men pick, women choose.

You might like a girl that you picked very much, but she does not choose you because there is Brad hitting on her who is 10 times better than you.
Or, she might like Big Daddy and signal her interest to him until she is super slutty but he does not pick her so she does not really get to choose him.

Girls you pick never choose you? - Well, you gotta improve!
Do not like any guys who approach you? - Well, you gotta improve!
To me, it seems like the same thing simply because of how the dynamic between sexes work.

It is a common knowledge that women have higher standards. Even Chase pointed it out in a certain article:
Men want:
- slim
- cute
- long hair

Women want (in no particular order):
- charming
- confident
- intelligent
- good sex
- social
- good income
- taller than me
- leader
- ambitious
- handy
- charismatic
- in a good shape (not skinny, not fat either)
- romantic

I would like to add a thing about how much women can alter their appearance to actually attract the guys they want (just like guys can in a way). Because lots of times I see on these boards how women have it so much worse because they "cannot approach and have to wait". I would illustrate that on Katy Perry --- note: it is my personal opinion on her appearance so be mindful.
Here, 2005 - she is 21 I believe, reasonably cute: https://media.wmagazine.com/photos/598b ... t/2005.jpg
Here, 2016 - she is 32 I believe, seems like an elegant, classy trophy wife: https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/di ... 0206042608
Here, slighly alternative I would say but still on the pretty side: http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/a ... rd-650.jpg
Same here, more "alternative", less cute: https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/ka ... 0707174426
Here, not my jam either but it shows another type of her appearance: http://www.vogue.de/var/vogue/storage/i ... 50x433.jpg
Here, she seems pretty trashy, I dont know why: https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/58c ... -SS-23.jpg
This is an abomination: https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/i ... ropY2=2000
Dont forget this: http://www.readunwritten.com/wp-content ... 96x392.jpg

Here, I guess this is her best "generally attractive look": http://www.speakerscorner.me/wp-content ... katy14.jpg
Similarly, maybe even better dunno: http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2011 ... cwfvkx.jpg

Point is, I get that her appearance is an expression of herself, but she cannot really expect to attract a successful lawyer if she dresses like a hooker. So if she wants to attract certain type of guys, she will adjust her appearance accordingly and that should do it for her. Just like we can minimize rejection with the types of girls we like and approach.

I suspect that the reason guys here think this is because we, as men, like to have things under control and know that we can influence something. Whereas women at their girl "unions" might think we have it much worse because we need to go out there, put a lot of effort into this and noone showers us with attention just because we are cute and we dont get to sit on our ass and simply choose whoever we like out of all the "attention givers".

Lastly... girls might not like majority of guys that approach them, but what is the percentage of girls that you approach compared to the ones you do not even notice?

 

[Cacc]

That list is contradictory as hell.

Women want the best they can get. Just like men.

Give a guy the option to choose 2 girls that are his perfect "10" in looks. One is dead broke and boring in bed. The other is a sex fiend and rich. Who does he pick?

 

[Big Daddy]

ResentMasculinity,

Ya there are times I feel like getting into a fight to release my anger, rage and frustration over the cards I was dealt with for being born male, I've had those thoughts for years now.

OK.

- BD

 

[Cacc]

ResentMasculinity,

Why dont u go ahead and get a sex change and become a woman?

 

[ResentMasculinity]

Resent masculinity, how many 50 year old women do you know that are routinely sleeping with 30 year old men? I'd venture the answer is zero. But its definitely possible and not even uncommon for men to be sleeping with younger women into their 50s and beyond

Certainly there are benefits to being a woman, but personally I thank the stars every day that I was born a man.

i'm guessing the late Hugh Hefner should serve as an example? I've thought of sex change but never considered it because people who do have sex changes never literally completely become the other sex

 

[Cacc]

Yeah. I promise you'll hate being a woman way more than you hate being a man right now. That's because it's not in your genes to be a woman. You're just honestly being a pussy. And I say that with love.

 

[Richard]

Recent,

The point being made is that a woman has a biological and social clock ticking that influences her decisions - the older a woman gets without locking down a guy, the worse off she feels and the worse people perceive her. Her perception of "winning" is far different than a man's perception of "winning" and she is not completely fulfilled until she has children (or a great relationship) with a great guy within her reach.

This is a problem when a woman moves past her 30s because her options and access to higher quality guys dwindles; yes, after 30 she can fuck multiple guys still but I highly doubt they will be any guys that really get her fire going and that's what you need to understand; it's not a matter of "sex" vs. "no-sex." At all times a woman is trying to keep around the higher quality guys but her access to quality changes over time.

It's not like a 40 year old can go to a college campus and fuck any guy in his sexual prime; yes, there are desperate loners who would give her a roll in the hay but, as you said, those guys are desperate... and, is a desperate guy a guy who makes her feel fulfilled? Is a desperate guy a guy she'd be happy to spend her life with or have babies with? No.

-Richard

 

[Marty]

I try not to go full fucktard on information because that will scare people and i do not want to toot my own horn, But i expect women backlash on society, due to the village (society) not giving them what they want or too horrible the conditions today

Just like how Trump won the forgotten man and women.........

Please go full fucktard. I want to hear your theory.

 

[Drck]

“She had no say in which guys approached her. You can go on an approach 1,000 you find cute on the street; from a women's perspective, she has to decide between the guys who go talk to her. And the majority of the time, it's not the guy she likes“

>>>> Not that I disagree, it kind of makes sense, but that is not a full story. A girl that likes some guy will show interest in him - looking at him, smiling, even coming closer to him and talking loud (to other people) so he notices her and has it easier to talk to her. Some girls are much bolder than that, they simply come directly to you and start talking to you. Or walk into your personal space 1-2 feet within reach. Plus, don’t forget social media, a girl that likes you will be giving you lots of other ‘hints’, such as adding you as a friend on FB, liking everything you post or commenting on everything. She will be all over the place so you notice. A girl that likes you will laugh at any silly comment that you make, she will make conversations VERY easy for you, just to show you that she likes you. She will be in general more proactive, e.g. offering things to do, places to go... On the other land, if she doesn’t like you she will go cold, awkward, minimal talking, short responses... IMO there is no guy who would miss it, unless he’s blind or deaf.

Approaching 1000 girls is highly inefficient. Many are taken, many are not interested and so forth. If you approach 1000 girls blindly you will have high rate of rejection - most will reject you, that is just common sense. You will have probably more than 90% rejection rate. It is much easier to approach only girls that show you somehow interest, IOI as above. You will be better off if you approach girls with IOI only, your success rate will be way higher, depending on your skills you can have more than 80% success rate. That’s a huge difference. It’s not really a science, all you have to do is look in her eyes and smile, based on her reactions you’ll see whether she is interested or not.

Here comes the real mastery - you can literally seduce woman by first look in her eyes, because once she likes the way you look in her eyes the rest is easy. On the other hand, if you screw up the first look, you are already fighting up hill battle...

 

[ResentMasculinity]

well this time i'll say something more positive on how men have it better than women, and it's what I've noticed for a couple years now, to me it seems men benefit more than women do when it comes to improving their dating life, becoming better with the other sex, or opposite sex. It seems when a guy becomes good with women, it benefits, helps him in other areas of his life, such as career, business, getting promoted at work for example or ahead in the business/corporate world, and just other areas in life besides dating/mating.

But when a woman becomes better with men, improves her dating life, it is solely just that, it just improves her dating life only.

 

[ResentMasculinity]

ResentMasculinity,

Ya there are times I feel like getting into a fight to release my anger, rage and frustration over the cards I was dealt with for being born male, I've had those thoughts for years now.

OK.

- BD

I think that urge is more common than you think, that urge is way more common than you think, it's just society expects us to suppress those urges, but ya, if I had to guess why most of you think men still have it better than women even though there are way more male 30 year old virgins in the world than female 30 year old virgins, is because you are saying those 30 year old virgin guys still have many years of their life they can improve their attractiveness, meanwhile for women who have fucked a handful of guys by age 30, can't do that much, because of womens supposedly declining mating market value?