Do you fuck girls with herpes?

[Teevster]

Will admit my ignorance and share I didn't know this

Also can admit that no doubt my STI-Free record has an element of luck involved.

Still - My personal view is being a seducer has a load of inherit risks as it is... May as mitigate by not being too reckless

You are still fucking girls with HSV1 and 2, and with some form of HPV, whether you like it or not. This of course is on the condition you are actually having sex.

Based on your comment, you are having sex like what, once every 3 years?

That can't be because you post LRs and I choose to believe them.

Ca you clarify?

Herpes is FYI not considered and STI nor is HPV.

If you want to mitigate risks:
- Take the HPV jab
- Take the hepatitis jab
- Don't have sex with women who have HSV (herpes) flair ups.
- Use condoms as often as you can
- Get tested every 3 month.
- If you have a lot of sex, consider taking PreP.

Any specialist on STIs will agree with this.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

If you've never had a herpes outbreak, and you know most people are asymptomatic carriers, you can get kind of cavalier and start thinking, "I'm probably immune to herpes outbreaks!"

Still repeated exposure to HSV sores can increase the risk of you getting an HSV flair up, even if you are positive for some form of HSV (although if you are, you do have some antibodies that can increase your overall protection). Why exactly, I am not sure.

The whole "I don't care about her having open sores on her pee pee because 80% or more of the population are positive to HSV is not a good idea though .

Bottom line is: no don't have sex with girls who have HSV sores and are during a flair up. Girls who are positive to HSV and are in remission are not much more contagious that those who are positive (majority of girls) who are asymptomic.

Basically the question is not "is she HSV-positive" but rather "is she having an HSV flair-up?".

That's the best way to summarize this discussion. If OP still does not buy our explanation I highly recommend he talk not to his GP but to a specialist (infectious disease or dermatologist). You can find great specialist in specialized STI clinics.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

I guarantee you have HPV cracking 100 girls even with a condom

Only protection against HPV is the Jab that works but is $$$$$$

I recommend Gardasil.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

STI anxiety is overblown. Besides the big one (HIV) the rest aren’t much to worry about if treated

Hepatitis B is also no joke. If OP is worrying about STIs the first thing he should do is take the Twinrix jab.

Also syphilis is also no joke, although no biggie is you test yourself for STIs at least twice a year.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

What is worse is the two times I’ve gotten bed bugs from womens houses/apartments.

Happened to me once. Rather have herpes than bed bugs. ANY DAY.

-Teevster

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Based on your comment, you are having sex like what, once every 3 years?

Once a week with existing girls and on avg once a month with a new girl (for years now)

If you want to mitigate risks:
- Take the HPV jab
- Take the hepatitis jab
- Don't have sex with women who have HSV (herpes) flair ups.
- Use condoms as often as you can
- Get tested every 3 month.
- If you have a lot of sex, consider taking PreP.

This is useful and a good share.

I currently do 3/6

 

[Alpha13SC]

Actuallly, I take that back. How old are you? Your chicks might all have had Gardasil.

Lots of HPV roots are asymptomatic so he might have.
I took it while using condoms.

 

[Skills]

Still repeated exposure to HSV sores can increase the risk of you getting an HSV flair up, even if you are positive for some form of HSV (although if you are, you do have some antibodies that can increase your overall protection). Why exactly, I am not sure.

The whole "I don't care about her having open sores on her pee pee because 80% or more of the population are positive to HSV is not a good idea though .

Bottom line is: no don't have sex with girls who have HSV sores and are during a flair up. Girls who are positive to HSV and are in remission are not much more contagious that those who are positive (majority of girls) who are asymptomic.

Basically the question is not "is she HSV-positive" but rather "is she having an HSV flair-up?".

That's the best way to summarize this discussion. If OP still does not buy our explanation I highly recommend he talk not to his GP but to a specialist (infectious disease or dermatologist). You can find great specialist in specialized STI clinics.

-Teevster

This what I said in my previous comment,must people if they are having lots of sex with get herpes or HPV at some point is like driving the more you drive the chances you will get a traffic ticket....

 

[Teevster]

Once a week with existing girls and on avg once a month with a new girl (for years now)

Then your message above makes no sense as you bang hsv positive girls monthly.

-Teevster

 

[Railer]

This is useful and a good share.

Wow, medical advice. I'd not take (or give) any.

Rather DYOR, unless you want to be one of those who prefer to cry to others after making shitty decisions. (Not a trait women particularly dig.)

 

[Francis]

Still repeated exposure to HSV sores can increase the risk of you getting an HSV flair up, even if you are positive for some form of HSV (although if you are, you do have some antibodies that can increase your overall protection). Why exactly, I am not sure.

The whole "I don't care about her having open sores on her pee pee because 80% or more of the population are positive to HSV is not a good idea though .

Bottom line is: no don't have sex with girls who have HSV sores and are during a flair up. Girls who are positive to HSV and are in remission are not much more contagious that those who are positive (majority of girls) who are asymptomic.

Basically the question is not "is she HSV-positive" but rather "is she having an HSV flair-up?".

That's the best way to summarize this discussion. If OP still does not buy our explanation I highly recommend he talk not to his GP but to a specialist (infectious disease or dermatologist). You can find great specialist in specialized STI clinics.

-Teevster

This is exactly it... Ignorance black hole is what's the contagion risk if no current outbreak. Like if she has recently healed from an outbreak, can you fuck unprotected (hypothetical) with 0% risk or is she always shedding it. Not sure if stats I've seen are just people not realizing there's a sore developing or still healing.

No time to sit and research yet... You guys tend to have strong real world and science knowledge. Solid gut check to pair with medical advice.

I am in the process of switching doctors and will book an appointment soon ("Doc, I'm dealing with an escalation window here... She's slipping into auto-rejection!"). Clinic doctor told me they can test for HSV1&2 together but not separate.

@Skills line of thinking is where I'm at... Drive enough trips...

So as someone who'd like to ideally at least quadruple his lay count (for psychological and skill development, not necessarily the number)... This would be assuming close to 100% certainty of acquiring it, right?

So avoiding it now is choosing to miss out on a great potential partner to simply get it down the line anyways? @Chase does this line of thinking make sense? You were talking in terms of risk calculation. Maybe if I was looking to very selectively find one LTR and wife her monogamously right now, I'd make a different decision. But the reality is I'm only increasing the my rate of new partners.

But then couldn't you argue you might as well fuck with open sores if you're going to get it eventually?

 

[Francis]

I mean I guess you'd want to reduce time spent having it over your lifetime, but is getting it eventually simply the reality for a high partner count person?

 

[Francis]

Actuallly, I take that back. How old are you? Your chicks might all have had Gardasil.

Partner age range is difference of over 50 lol

Fun trip down memory lane. Pretty even distribution between early 20's and mid 50's, actually. Goal is really 18-25 with the occasional fit cougar

Edit: also thank you for your music Sade lol I once picked up a Vietnamese girl with broken English for tea and invited her straight home. Sade was so key for the drive vibe...

 

[Teevster]

This is exactly it... Ignorance black hole is what's the contagion risk if no current outbreak. Like if she has recently healed from an outbreak, can you fuck unprotected (hypothetical) with 0% risk or is she always shedding it. Not sure if stats I've seen are just people not realizing there's a sore developing or still healing.

0% risk does not exist. However, a girl taking valacyclovir during remission is less likely to spread it than someone asymptomatic in many cases. One can shed even when asymptomatic, and one can shed during remission. The sad fact is, aside from not having sex with girls having flair ups there is nothing you can do. A condom will reduce your chances of catching it, but this would include condoms during oral sex. You also likely may get it on your lips while kissing or going down on her. The question is how much effort do you want to put to protect yourself against a common disease that is almost impossible to protect oneself from and that is pretty harmless.

Have you taken the hepatitis jab?

If no, then here is your priority.

I am in the process of switching doctors and will book an appointment soon ("Doc, I'm dealing with an escalation window here... She's slipping into auto-rejection!"). Clinic doctor told me they can test for HSV1&2 together but not separate.

It is usual that they test for both HSV because they are more or less the same group of virus and it has little impact which one you have. Some argue that HSV-2 is more frequent down there with less frequent flair ups, but more severe flair ups. But this really depends. The treatment is the same. Question is, what do you want to do with such test? very likely you are positive for at least one of them. Because most would test positive, they usually don't test for it in STI-screening. The question is NOT whether SHE has it or you have it, but whether SHE has (or you have) flair ups, and how severe they are, how frequent and what treatments one use.

Also GPs tend to be pretty behind on information regarding STIs like still treating chlamydia with azithromycin and still claming you need to wait 3 month for a conclusive HIV test (unless you have been exposed to HIV, a test is considered conclusive at 6 weeks, and you can actually detect it in 2 weeks). I'd stay away. Go to SPECIALIZED clinics.

 

[Teevster]

Partner age range is difference of over 50 lol

Fun trip down memory lane. Pretty even distribution between early 20's and mid 50's, actually. Goal is really 18-25 with the occasional fit cougar

Edit: also thank you for your music Sade lol I once picked up a Vietnamese girl with broken English for tea and invited her straight home. Sade was so key for the drive vibe...

Conisdering your age, most gilrls have not gotten the Gardasil jab.

Hence you can start worrying about HPV too.

Good news, there is a jab for it.


-Teevster

 

[Francis]

Thanks @Teevster . Your perspective is very helpful, as is everyone's here. This is a good group to talk herpes with lol. Like seduction in general, it's easy to be thrown into mind racing etc. and lack decisiveness or make decisions based on faulty premises if your initial frame of understanding is off, for example.

Side note, I think going for regular STD tests implies preselection. I've gotten a couple looks from receptionists and nurses almost like "you again, huh" but with this little gleam in her eyes like she's picturing something...

I agree 0% does not exist and suppose I meant statistically insignificant, like 1% or 2% chance. For example, if something is contagious by blood only, I'd probably feel "safe" in a practical sense by shaking their hand. Technically, we may each have a really tiny snag in our skin or something.

So if you're shedding without sores, I guess the question is from where? It is just seeping out her pores all the time and living on her skin, although perhaps in insignificant amounts?

I wondered about testing because I can't recall for certain getting lip cold sores, meaning it's possible I have neither (though unlikely given ~30 partners). So if I happen to be clear of both HSV-1 and HSV-2 currently, then I know I am in a better position right? Especially if vaccinating now. However, if I know I have one of them (but not which), I may take the same course of action, so maybe knowing does not matter.

Edit: I see now Gardasil is for HPV, not HSV. Vaccine for latter still in development. Haven't looked into risks at this point

I totally agree on talking to a specialist. The general clinic near me is convenient for testing, not for info. I will find someone to talk to. While living in another city with more services, it was very helpful to visit a sexual health clinic (and again, very fun to see the female doctor reactions when your lifestyle is implied, almost like an unintended lover gambit).

Thanks for bringing my attention to hepatitis. I will definitely look into this and also spend some time googling Pamela Anderson for extra awareness.

I also agree there are several other important variables like @Warped Mindless noted. @Skills should sell seducers insurance.

I'm kind of curious what the probability calculation is and might do some scratch math later. Like if you take the percentage of population infected, risk of transmission, protection rate of condoms, number of partners over time, etc... I would venture to guess it will equal over 50% given how some of you are saying it's likely inevitable if you are shagging like Austin Powers. Yeah, baby.

 

[Teevster]

Side note, I think going for regular STD tests implies preselection. I've gotten a couple looks from receptionists and nurses almost like "you again, huh" but with this little gleam in her eyes like she's picturing something...

Trust me, they do not care, and they probably have met way more interesting cases than you. And you should be glad about it.

I agree 0% does not exist and suppose I meant statistically insignificant, like 1% or 2% chance. For example, if something is contagious by blood only, I'd probably feel "safe" in a practical sense by shaking their hand. Technically, we may each have a really tiny snag in our skin or something.

I mean when it comes to catching herpes, the chances of catching it are high. If you have kissed like 10 girls, you most likely have the virus - whether HSV1 or 2. Now what the ODDS are that you get outbreaks depend on your immune system and many other factors that are WAY too complicated to assess, and considering almost no specialist in infectious disease consider herpes interesting or dangerous (like 2-3 deaths a year worldwide) they likely will not bother assessing your risk factors (not even sure it is possible).

This is like asking "what are the chances percentage wise that I get severe symptoms on this years flu?". It is a bit of an absurd question.

Regarding viral shedding - it is impossible to really know. The other factor is also you - how likely the virus is to enter your cells and replicate.

Now the question is, why do you care so much about a disease that is not a big deal, that you can't do much with aside from:
- Not having sex with girls who have clear outbreaks
- Use condoms to reduce the chances of catching it down there
- Take meds if you have it to reduce symptoms - so that flair ups lasts for 5 days instead of 10.

So if you're shedding without sores, I guess the question is from where? It is just seeping out her pores all the time and living on her skin, although perhaps in insignificant amounts?

From the area the person initially caught it. Can be pussy, ass, penis, balls, mouth, lips, eyes, fingers...

I wondered about testing because I can't recall for certain getting lip cold sores, meaning it's possible I have neither (though unlikely given ~30 partners).

If you have had 30 partners and probably kissed even more, then I guarantee you that you are HSV-positive. Be happy you are not one of us who gets symptoms.

So if I happen to be clear of both HSV-1 and HSV-2 currently, then I know I am in a better position right?

Not necessarily. I'd rather be positive for them and be an asymptomatic carrier, then having no antibodies and at any time catch them, and not knowing whether I will be one of those unlucky people who gets regular flair ups.

You are thinking too much about this - and you are not being rational. My guess is that you are from the US. Only US people make a big deal out of HSV for whatever cultural reason.

De-condition yourself with FACTS. Contact a specialist and talk with him/her about this. This is the only way.

-Teevster

 

[Francis]

Hah yeah I'm glad to not be the interesting case at the STI clinic. Sometimes I take a couple weeks totally off, but twice in the last six months, I set up strings of 15 girls in 14 days (mainly first dates with a few visits to existing friends). This was from online with ZERO standards to get exposure and practice in (I grew up with a stutter), but there were still gems in there. Around the same time, a friend got her tubes removed and we wanted to enjoy going unprotected, so I was in the clinic in very quick succession for a short period. This was in a general clinic, not sex health clinic.

Getting some clarity here has already settled my mind with it. I still face performance issues, usually due to getting some successful pulls home from dates and still getting used to it feeling relaxed and natural transitioning into giving a new girl a good fuck. So if I have a shred of indecision in me surrounding this topic, I could have even subconscious effects not wanting to put my dick in her.

I did have sex education but with a very slight religious bent. So it wasn't too dogmatic, but they definitely left out proper STI education, maybe crossing their fingers we'd all be good little virgins until marriage and they wouldn't have to talk about it.

Now my knowledge of it is formed for the first time from being in nonjudgmental conversations with girls. So you hear her emotional story all about how she had this horrifying outbreak experience. Or a girl is practically sitting me down to tell me she has it, and I'm thinking there is no way in hell I want to have this kind of conversation with a potential partner in the future. Like if you end up in an LTR with a girl who's had 3 partners... You're going to give it to her and tell her after only if she notices she got it?

So yes, knowledge from a specialist is key. I will absolutely do that, but I also am really appreciative for candid responses here.

Edit: @Teevster

 

[Francis]

Not necessarily. I'd rather be positive for them and be an asymptomatic carrier, then having no antibodies and at any time catch them, and not knowing whether I will be one of those unlucky people who gets regular flair ups.

This is a helpful broad perspective.

Also my thought with testing was based on misreading re: Gardasil initially. I thought I could potentially test clean, then vaccinate for HSV, but that is not possible.

 

[Teevster]

This is a helpful broad perspective.

Also my thought with testing was based on misreading re: Gardasil initially. I thought I could potentially test clean, then vaccinate for HSV, but that is not possible.

You can take gardasil even if you are, or have been positive for HPV. Some GPs claim that there is no point in taking thr HPV-jab after passing a certain age (e.g. 25). That is BS and showcases why people should talk to specialists when it comes to STIs.

In my case 2 GPs said no to HPV-vaccinatiom whereas 3 specialists on infectious disease (including one holding a PhD) said that this was BS - anyone can take gardasil.

There is atm no vaccines for HSV but there are very efficient treatments.

-Teevster