Do you need night game, clubs and bars to get better?

[lux7]

Hey guys,

I seem to notice a certain trend where a lot of guys who "go all out" cut their teeth in night game, bars and clubs.

Even people who don't read this kind of stuff, actually (well, maybe people who don't read this stuff even even much more actually).

Club/bar environment is much rawer and in many ways, much tougher: you get people who might be trying to barge in in your interaction and "steal" your girl as soon as you go to the toilet.
And tends to be much quicker: you can experience with escalation and performing a whole seduction much quicker and more often than during daytime.

On the other hand, for the same reason it might be "easier" and quality of girls might be lower.

What do you think: is that kind of "rawer club environment" needed to actually get better with women, or at least to cut your learning curve a lot?

 

[Man-O]

Night game isn't a nessecity to become better at seduction but it will help you a great deal more in some areas that are not as often experienced in day game such as:

- Cock blocks from both genders. -> People are in groups etc.
- How to handle drunk people (both girls and guys).
- Accustomization to loud environments.
- Seduction on dance floor.
- Bitch shields. -> The girls are in groups keeping track of each other, so giving each other a lot of pressure, not making it "too easy" for you. A lot of pursuers/contenders (most drunk) etc.. (In some of the articles I remember Chase writing about how some girls just change from kind to suddenly bitchy on a date that went from normal to nightout in bar, which I can only agree upon).

Not done much day game but no matter how I see it, it's still easier. Maybe even easier than speed dating. But getting Same Day Lay is probably harder than One Night Stands I imagine, but getting girls on dates can only be easier.
Some puas don't even do night game. Take Sasha Daygame for instance. Though he might've been even better had he done night game as well.

A fundamental point of night game is to have fun /partying while socializing (however you can be chill in night game too), unlike day game where you randomly meet a girl. You may just be shopping groceries and try to pick her up, setting a different dynamic conversation in a very different environment.

Could be fun to hear the oppinion of one of the more experienced people here.

 

[Lotus]

It depends how define better.

Learning night game isn't necessarily going to make you better at day game and vice versa. They are different environments with different difficulties.

But learning both makes you more well rounded, because you will be able to overcome any obstacle in any situation, as you have seen it all.

 

[ray_zorse]

Agreed on all of the above. However I still think daygame is a much more "red pill" experience. Before we got into PU we all knew "naturals" who had pulled from clubs etc, to our great jealousy and amazement. None of us knew guys who had said hi to a girl in a supermarket and fucked her an hour later. I personally would prioritorize daygame because it's (a) easier -- slow & steady won the race (b) more ego-boosting
Ray

 

[Skid]

Daygame and nightgame are good at learning different parts of seduction. If you want to focus on your conversation building skills and deep diving etc then daygame is gonna be your best bet (unless your daygaming in a place where everyone is rushing - beaches , parks are good for more chill stuff). However if you want to work on your vibe , "being the party" and physical escalation then night game. Usually most people have a preference. Because I mostly did daygame when I started pickup I later noticed that my conversation was quite decent but my physical escalation skills were shit. I mean you don't end up grinding against a girl that you met thirty seconds ago in a shopping center. I remember my biggest blunder on one of my first decent nights in nightgame was I had a girl dance onto me and I blew her off (ejected) because I wasn't used to the aggressive forward behaviour that girls can have in nightgame when they've had some drinks. I feel like if you want the best game possible you need to have some experience in both , so that way you can game anywhere anytime and be competent in all situations. So if you're starting out I think you should do both for a while until you feel comfortable in both environments - then maybe stick to the one you like or that suits your goals in pickup somone who lives a relatively normal lifestyle doesn't have time to do both all the time. I feel like only doing daygame for a long time slowed my learning curve because it took me more time to develop fundamentals because in night game girls won't look at you twice unless they like your fundamentals , in daygame girls are more polite and when you start you really aren't good at telling whether a girl likes you or is polite due to lack of calibration so you can spend alot of time just idly chatting to girls making no progress. Its more social accepting to move a girl and escalate on her in night game. So I don't think you need to do both , but doing both speeds up your learning curve.

 

[Xerud]

I find night game so easier then day game. I would say I'm quite good at night game I approached a group of four or even more girls alone, pulled one away for dancing, know how to resist cock block and how to find the right girl, because many girls are there for dancing etc.

So the best thing is what I do is when I come to club:
- Analyze and move don't stand there like a statue.
- If you saw girl looking and spinning head allot, bam it could be interested, so go near here but don't approach her yet. I usually go to toiled and make sure that she'll saw you, look at her eyes and if she's looking you look at her, I usually smile too, look how she's looking at you analyze that.
- When you get back if she's looking at you, just approach her, because for me it's a sign like it was "waiting" for you to be approached.

Hope I helped I'm quite experienced in night game, but I do suck in day game - need to learn daygame too, but the only problem is our city is quite small.

 

[HellAtlantic]

I have no daygame whatsoever outside of just being super friendly to girls in my work's building and smiling a lot at girls. But I never approach. Nightgame is the only game I know. When I'm in a bar I assume the girls who are in the bar are there to be approached (otherwise they'd be at home or having a coffee). Even if I'm wrong it's still easier to give myself confidence that way. In the day if I see a girl in a parking lot I wouldn't wanna scare her by approaching (I'm big and muscular so I feel that's a bit too intimidating for a lone female). If I see a girl at a store I assume she doesn't wanna be bothered by a stranger (otherwise she'd be at a bar ). I have much respect for any guy who has success at daygame. That's the true test of pickup skills.

 

[Bboy100]

Imo, you need all types of game to learn seduction. As others already mentioned, there are pros and cons of both night and day game. If you truly want to be a "master" you need to learn everything Online, social circle, day game, night game etc.
Having said that I think in terms of results, learning all forms of game is a waste of time. To get what you want out of your relationship life, you need to learn one of the following:

Day game- Master this, and you can get any type of girl you want for whatever purposes you want.

Online Game & Social Circle Game- You can use online to find hookups and keep your abundance mentality high and Social Circle to find quality girls to have as GFS.

Night & Social Circle Game- Same as the above. Except that you would find hookups via online instead of night. As a side note, online might serve the same purpose as Day Game (i.e. you can find any type of girl there). It seems to be a pretty debate-worthy topic.

 

[Bboy100]

Imo, you need all types of game to learn seduction. As others already mentioned, there are pros and cons of both night and day game. If you truly want to be a "master" you need to learn everything Online, social circle, day game, night game etc.
Having said that I think in terms of results, learning all forms of game is a waste of time. To get what you want out of your relationship life, you need to learn one of the following:

Day game- Master this, and you can get any type of girl you want for whatever purposes you want.

Online Game & Social Circle Game- You can use online to find hookups and keep your abundance mentality high and Social Circle to find quality girls to have as GFS.

Night & Social Circle Game- Same as the above. Except that you would find hookups via online instead of night. As a side note, online might serve the same purpose as Day Game (i.e. you can find any type of girl there). It seems to be a pretty debate-worthy topic.

 

[Mr.Rob]

What do you think: is that kind of "rawer club environment" needed to actually get better with women, or at least to cut your learning curve a lot?

Its good to up your social aptitude and ability to get what you want when there is a ton of bullshit being thrown at you.

That's kind of the main difference really. In night game there's a ton of bullshit and variable getting thrown at you that you have to learn how to overcome, thus it is great for honing up your skills and becoming a HARD closer.

Its much more unforgiving than in daygame and sharpens your edge as a pimp.

Depends on what you want.

Me personally I see game as a microcosm of the world and nightgame especially. The world only cares about what kind of results you produce. As says in Glengary Glen Ross "Only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line that is dotted!"

If you can learn to pull and fuck girls in nightgame you'll be one of the elite few. For every one executer there are 9,999 excuse makers. I strive for the former.

-Rob

 

[lux7]

Lots of great opinions here.

What do you think: is that kind of "rawer club environment" needed to actually get better with women, or at least to cut your learning curve a lot?

Me personally I see game as a microcosm of the world and nightgame especially. The world only cares about what kind of results you produce. As says in Glengary Glen Ross "Only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line that is dotted!"

-Rob

Agree on the microcosm of life.
The view of life as a "results to be obtained" is a bit too mechanical though and doesn't seem to set yourself up for enjoying life.

 

[Mr.Rob]

The view of life as a "results to be obtained" is a bit too mechanical though and doesn't seem to set yourself up for enjoying life.

I guess I can see that. However if you don't get any results in life you want have the time or the mental peace to enjoy yourself anyway. That's how I operate at least.

 

[Estate]

I don't think it's "necessary".

It's sort of the standard place people think of when hitting on women so it tends to be the most talked about.
Every place has it's chalenges, in a bar, women there there and a lot of them are open to meeting men. You also have a lot of distractions and other guys competing.
In day game, there's no competition but the girl walking to the store probably isn't thinking she's going to be hit on so that's a challenge in itself to learn.

I think, do what works for you. Or what you're comfortable with.

About a year ago I was doing tons better in meeting and taking women home but I was starting to get annoyed I had no consistency in meeting really top quality women.
Some guys here were telling me to try focus on day game more. I was mainly doing nightlife. It was a chang of pace and I actually love it now. I meet different types of women than I did at bars. It also suits my life not to be out so late several times a week.

I mean, there's some shared skills but being a great day gamers doesn't mean you don't have some stuff to learn in bars and vice versa.

You don't need to kill yourself doing this, pick what works for you.