Does it matter how I word my pull?

[Bboy100]

Ok, so I've been wondering for a while now...have you guys noticed a significant difference in results (i.e. does she say yes or no) based on what plausible deniability you use? This is of course, assuming that I'm equally nonchalant and casual when I say it.

For example, I could say something very obvious & direct like "Let's go back to my place" or "Let's hang out at my place". Conversely, I could say something less direct but still equally obvious like "let's go watch a movie at mine". I could also do what Chase recommends which is something like: "Hey, I know a place with great music & cheap drinks" then not specify where it is (I haven't actually tried this one because it honestly seems kinda sketchy to me. lol).

Does it really matter what excuse I come up with for going back to mine? I'm asking because the only excuse I can really come up with is to "watch a movie". Or just own it and give no excuse at all...just say "lets hang out at my place". The problem is, I feel like the former has become suuuper cliche (in fact, there's even a popular meme about it. lol). Enough so that it might be setting women back into their autopilot response. And the latter seems like a terrible idea because it lacks any plausible deniability. So anytime I ask that, a girl will probably be far more likely to feel like a slut for saying yes.

 

[mb1]

I think it depends on if she knows and is ok with you knowing that you're going to have sex. For example, Chase once asked a girl to go home and look at his ceiling. This wouldn't work every time lol

Pretty sure the best strategy's to calibrate it to her and ideally the situation. For example, a glass of water after a walk, or to show her something you talked about. Ideally, I would ask if she wants to go to Mars, provided she has awesome sexual eye contact going on.

 

[Frost]

Women usually want to have plausible deniability when it comes to sleeping with a guy. For them, if the sex "just happened" they don't feel responsible.

Keep in mind that in seduction, you are working with the primitive and emotional aspect of the woman's mind, not her logical day-to-day aspect that everybody sees. She could be a scientist, or an engineer or a doctor (someone who's good in the logical department) and still go back to your place after a party to "watch a movie" or whatever excuse you give. And the more she shows you her emotional/crazy/weird aspect, the more she is turned on by you. Chase talks more about this point in his article about how to tell if a women is horny.

Like mb1 said, it depends on whether or not she wants to sleep with you (and obviously understands that this is why you're inviting her over to your place). But if the rest of your interaction was going well for you, just make any excuse to invite her over and you're good to go. Remember that there is a part of her that will try to resist sex. The amount of influence it has on the decision depends on the girl. So if you tell her to come over to your place, in her mind she's going like "he's inviting me over for sex, I don't think I should accept", but when you give her an excuse, it will be like "well he just wants to watch a movie with me, there is no harm in that" but she will also know that sex is a possibility, and she will always charge you with the task of overcoming this little voice inside her. Just like with LMR. You don't just undress her and penetrate her, you start slowly with kissing, and then you escalate until sex seems like the only natural step to follow.

 

[HellAtlantic]

Awesome post Frost. Completely awesome.

In my book before I started reading GC and took the red pill I was too open and honest. This coworker I have a lot of sexual tension with auto rejected when I said too matter of factly that I assumed we'd be having sex at the end of the nite, since I'm married I told her "why else would you agree to hang out with a married guy at a bar at 12am if you didn't think sex was a possibility?". Horrible wording, I know. I've salvaged it since then, that was like April and there's still a ton of sexual tension. But my point is at this point I can't do the whole no kissing until we get to her place move - she knows too much. I'd have to kiss her at the bar, make out with her and then take her by the hand and say "let's get out of here" which would imply her place which is logistically located close to the bar we frequent. I could probably only do one other move: kiss her, pull away first and continue convo and then shortly thereafter say "why don't we go finally watch Wolf of Wall St" (a movie I have her cuz I love it and constantly ask if she's watched it yet). Only thing is her logical mind might say "that's a 3 hour movie and it's already 1am, he might really just wanna watch the movie and I'm not watching a 3 hour movie". So I think the "Lets get out of here" way is best. I've missed a ton of windows with her so I would wanna show her I'm not gonna waste her time by kissing her first and giving her a taste of what's to come (her, many times haha).

 

[Frost]

Awesome post Frost. Completely awesome.

In my book before I started reading GC and took the red pill I was too open and honest. This coworker I have a lot of sexual tension with auto rejected when I said too matter of factly that I assumed we'd be having sex at the end of the nite, since I'm married I told her "why else would you agree to hang out with a married guy at a bar at 12am if you didn't think sex was a possibility?". Horrible wording, I know. I've salvaged it since then, that was like April and there's still a ton of sexual tension. But my point is at this point I can't do the whole no kissing until we get to her place move - she knows too much. I'd have to kiss her at the bar, make out with her and then take her by the hand and say "let's get out of here" which would imply her place which is logistically located close to the bar we frequent. I could probably only do one other move: kiss her, pull away first and continue convo and then shortly thereafter say "why don't we go finally watch Wolf of Wall St" (a movie I have her cuz I love it and constantly ask if she's watched it yet). Only thing is her logical mind might say "that's a 3 hour movie and it's already 1am, he might really just wanna watch the movie and I'm not watching a 3 hour movie". So I think the "Lets get out of here" way is best. I've missed a ton of windows with her so I would wanna show her I'm not gonna waste her time by kissing her first and giving her a taste of what's to come (her, many times haha).

If you escalate properly during the night I believe any excuse will cut it, because by then she will be expecting you to make a move. You can invite her to watch a movie, not necessarily the wolf of wall street. You can simply ask her to come over and watch a short movie.

 

[Estate]

Haha, couldn't resist

I'm going to say it depends what you're angle is here... are you texting a girl to come over or are you like, at a bar and looking to pull?

Anyway, I ususally keep it simple. I mean, if you just go ultra direct and tell her you want to sleep with her, well, it shows balls I guess but it COULD backfire massively unless she's being very direct herself already.

On the other hand, I've heard guys over qualify it, like come up with a long story or big excuse to justify it, it can come off a little much. Like, if you need a whole back story, she knows what you want, no need to give a song and dance.

If it was a bar and we've been having fun then with me it'll just go like this:
"Let's go to...."
"Where?"
"To mine, get another drink"
"Nothings going to happen you know!"
"I know "
*Jumps in cab.

Keep it simple I say. No need to be super alpha and start talking dirty/creepy.
Also no need to over qualify it.

At the same time, you should probably know her vibe. Like, if you just pull this totally out of the blue and you know she's not yet feeling it, you'll get blown out. If she's into you, it's easy, she'll want to go.

 

[Bboy100]

I'm going to say it depends what you're angle is here... are you texting a girl to come over or are you like, at a bar and looking to pull?

Well, originally I was talking about like, when I'm on a date and I'm trying to pull. Which I guess is the same as being @ a bar. But now that you brought it up, I actually just now realized that I've never really set up an easy date. But I'm guessing its also the same?.. you just ask her to come over and we'll cook and/or watch a movie or something?

 

[Estate]

Yeah,
At least speaking for myself the easiest the best approach is to just not a big deal of it.

If you go super direct and sexual. You REALLY need to know the girl is already down or you risk losing her.
If you make a big song and dance about "Oh I have to show you this... I swear I won't make a move, I swear. Just come, we'll look at youtube videos, etc, etc, etc" then look, she knows what going to your house implies, the more you over do the excuses, you start to look a bit weak.

Anyway, rather than the best way to word it, I'd say focus more on knowing your audience.
If you can tell the women in front of you is down, it really doesn't need any effort, lead and she'll follow.
If she's not turned on or attracted enough to you, whatever you do it's either going to be difficult or she'll run away if she's not at all interested. If you've got good at reading the situation, it saves a lot of time.