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yaya

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This is more or less asking how to make a girl my girlfriend after having sex with her and dating for a few weeks. I find the material on this site really good for general self improvement and seduction up to sex but after that there isn't much in the way of what to do after sex if you want to carry a relationship on and I'm struggling to get a clear picture of the situation I'm in. Originally I didn't want a relationship but I've grown to like this girl.


I go through in detail about those weeks (I feel it's important) but if it's too long to read the general gist is here

short version:

About 6-7 weeks ago I meet a girl by chance twice, hitting it off with her. She's just broken up with her long term boyfriend but she seems really into me. At first I'm not looking for anything serious but after we have sex after the first date (roughly two weeks after meeting) I change my mind. I'm pretty inexperienced so I'm not wonderful in bed but I don't think I'm awful (she can't believe I was a virgin and tells me I seem to know what I'm doing) and she enjoys my oral sex a lot.

Since then we've met a few times and had sex once more but I'm not sure where we stand or how I'm meant to turn it into something else. She's very concerned about having been too "easy" and says this puts her off being with me again, and though she still appears warm I often get mixed signals. I've tried to keep seeing her but this can be tricky and we only really see each other every week and a bit, even though we seem to get along. I've been waiting for her to bring up the possibility of a relationship but I wonder if that's what's she wants, cos she hasn't mentioned it at all.

long version:

Roughly 6-7 weeks ago I meet her at a house party. She's playing hard to get but I'm pretty drunk so my confidence is up and I'm moving pretty strongly with her. I'm a 19 year old virgin, she's 21. I flirt, deep dive, set sexual frames, make her laugh, etc and I can clearly see she's attracted to me. By the end of the night I have her begging to see me the next day but in my drunk arrogance I decide that if I'm not having sex with her that night I'm not gonna chase her further. At this point I don't expect to ever see her again.

1 week later I happen to bump into her at a club. Again I'm a little drunk but in my surprise I offer my phone up to her to get her number. I persist but she refuses, telling me I'd "had my chance" and that she didn't want to seem like a girl who was "easy" (this is something she's been vocally concerned about since I first met her). I tell her there's no such thing and walk off. Again, I never expect to see her again.

~2 days later she somehow finds and adds me on facebook (also updates her profile picture the same day) and as soon as I accept her request later she starts a conversation with me. She's very flirty and apologetic for her "being so rude" a couple of days before (she really wasn't that rude). We talk over facebook for a few days before it starts to taper off. I decide it's time to get her out on a date. She's very eager to and gives her my number if I "still want it".

This is now about 2 weeks after first meeting. We go to a couple of bars down the road. We hit it off immediately and I end up much more interested in her than I'd expected. She seems to be the same way towards me and having had quite a few drinks we go back to mine. I move pretty fast once we're indoors and we get sexual in the bed. We have sex for a bit but probably due to the alcohol I go flaccid and we stop. She jokes (I hope) that we're "sexually incompatible". We still end up kissing through the night and in the morning I eat her out and make her cum. At this point she tells me she's really attracted to me and that she will happily have sex with me once I have an STD test (she refuses to believe I'm a virgin for at least another week).

She texts me the next evening and stays quite keen to text. I'm awful at texting (I can take a few hours to respond), even though I stay more or less the same as before with her and remain warm and flirty. She invites me out a couple of nights but one I decline because I have to be up early and the other I reply to too late. At the time I didn't really see this as significant because I knew I'd see her again. We talk more and I ask to come see her house and she offers to cook me something.

A few days after the first date she picks me up from mine (she drives, I don't) and takes me to hers. She tells me she's never nervous expect when she's around me and she doesn't seem keen to cook anymore, so we just order food in. I stay the night and we're touchy with each other but we don't have sex. She's still anxious about being "too easy" (even though I don't care) and tells me she's never slept with anyone as quickly as she has with me (I'm not sure if I believe this but I wouldn't care either way) but she still seems very attracted to me.

About a week later (this is about 3 1/2 weeks after first meeting and about 1 1/2 weeks after we first have sex) she asks when she can come have sex with me. Arranging a time is awkward and one night she invites to pay for a taxi to come to hers but it's pretty late and I have to be up in the morning. The next day she comes to mine. We have sex once in the evening (I don't finish) and again in the morning (when I do orgasm) and I eat her out to orgasm twice during the night too. She still "doesn't understand how I'm so good at oral sex" if I'm so inexperienced, but she also mentions how she kissed a girl at the weekend (I find it strange she's so casual about it and it just confuses my view on the situation).

About 4 weeks after first meeting I invite her to mine to cook fajitas, which at first she seems enthusiastic for then declines so she can do university work. We struggle to find a time to meet and after she declines to meet another time (about 5 1/2 weeks after first meeting) I decide to leave it.

A few days later (and a few days ago) she texts me asking what I'm up to tonight. I was going out, but I asked her to get lunch with me the next day. In the end we don't, and after texting each other again late the next day she picks me up and we go back to hers. This is more or less the first night together we don't drink at all and she says it's "weird" being sober around me. We don't have sex this time either (every time we go to hers we don't) and she tells me she feels like a slut for sleeping with me so "easily" and that it was putting her off sleeping with me again. I tell her she isn't a "sex object" (as she puts it) but otherwise I'm not sure what to say, so I just tell her to cuddle me. We kiss some more and I stroke her but we don't end up having sex. I ask her if she's free the next day and she says she might be up for something later in the week. A couple of days ago I text her and this afternoon I text her again asking to see her in the evening and she texts several hours later saying she's out. If we're going from first meet, it's been just about 7 whole weeks since we first met and 5 since we first had sex (mid/late September to a week into November).

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Even though I'm inexperienced the initial 2 weeks went extremely well but I've never been at this stage before and I'm not sure what I'm meant to do (if anything) or what to expect. It's tricky cos although I'm not head over heels in love with her I do like her a lot more than I originally did and I feel like I could benefit from some kind of relationship. I wonder whether the scales have tipped the other way a little in terms of investment (because she doesn't some quite as into me as she originally did, but still pretty warm) but I can't tell who's more into who or what exactly she's thinking. Her being worried about being "easy" seems to be the problem but I wonder if there's something else, or if I'm doing fine and it's just her anxiety. I wonder if she found the sex disappointing.

Any advice I'd be really grateful for.
 
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yaya,

This one seems a bit weird, but it sounds like it's starting to go downhill. Generally when you've slept with a girl, you usually want to sleep with her at least two more times in (relatively) quick succession before you can count her as "sold on you as a lover/partner." This situation with her being really flakey seems like it has to do partially with her (she seems a bit crazy) and partially to do with you (not providing good conversation and enough warmth for her to feel comfortable enough sleeping with you again).

I wouldn't even really be thinking relationship at this point. If you can't even get her to have sex with you again, I think it's going to be out of the question. It sounds like she already might be distancing herself, which is a problem. You've also made plenty of effort to arrange meets towards the end of this interaction, and it seems like she's declining them now. There's really not a lot you can do here other than hope she has a change of heart and comes to you (by contacting you and arranging a meet). Any further contact initiated on your end sounds like it's just going to make things worse.

Generally, the way it works with relationships is that you sleep with the girl and show her plenty of warmth afterward. For the next 2-3 weeks, you should be seeing her at least once every week, and you should be sleeping with her EVERY time you see her to cement your status as a desirable, sexy man. If you aren't sleeping with the girl, she's going to cool off on you VERY fast because she either assumes you are (a) weak and not as dominant as she thought or (b) not attracted to her and forcing her to go into auto-rejection to protect her ego. Once 3 months or so (on average) have passed with just her coming over and sleeping with you, she'll eventually begin to inquire about a relationship. At that point, you can choose to enter the relationship or end things right there.

I'm not really sure there's much you can proactively do here to salvage this one. In the meantime, I would be out meeting and sleeping with other women if possible (to keep her off of your mind and improve your experience since you're basically fresh off of being a virgin). There's a good chance that there are plenty of better women ahead of you, but your lack of experience is probably what is drawing you toward this girl instead.

Hope that helps!

- Franco
 

yaya

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What exactly makes her seem "crazy"?

She does give off a few "crazy" vibes. If you're familiar with attachment styles, I'd say she fits in the "fearful avoidant" box. When I ask my (more experienced) friends about the situation they don't think it's dead but they think she seems quite insecure.

I feel like been pretty warm towards her since we first had sex and even as soon as a week ago she was texting me asking to see me (which is when we ended up not having sex). When we text she still asks qs to carry it on and we still flirt. Every time I've seen her we've got along and she's seemed into me and has often mentioned how attracted to me she feels, but she switches between warm and cold a lot. When I went to hers for the first time she didn't want to have sex but after that she was really eager to, and the last time she wasn't again even though we were all over each other.

She's always been flakey but I know that most of the times she's been busy she has actually been out.

She does keep making references to her "not knowing me" and not being used to "sleeping with someone without an emotional connection" which always catches me off guard cos I feel like we do have good conversations and relate to each other quite a bit. She makes a big deal out of that she "normally takes months" before she trusts someone enough to sleep with them.

Dominance could be an issue cos I stormed it at the start but as soon as I got into unknown territory there may have been a degree of incongruence, but I think I've maintained it pretty well.

I think I will probably see her again (we always seem to end up seeing each other again) so if I do what should I do?

I don't doubt I could do better though. I'm wary of developing feelings for the first girl I sleep with, especially when she displays as many insecurities as this. She is very attractive though.

Thanks for the comments.
 

Drck

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IMO she is quite confused about you (e.g as Franco said, initially you presented as dominant and sexy, but then she figured out that you are not really that dominant and sexy, meaning you didn't have much experience)

You are acting differently when you are drunk (more confident/sexy?) vs when you are sober (more conservative and reasonable?). She doesn't "know you", and she feels like easy going for the fact that she slept with you very fast, but you don't really present as lover (when sober). She's confused and she feels "strange", "weird", "crazy vibes"...,

So the problem is that you are not congruent. You know much more (by reading GC) than you can do. On one side she perceives you as quite skilled and knowledgable about girls (she wants STD test because she think you slept with many random girls), and on the other she kind of feels that you really don't have the experience, which makes her uncomfortable with "crazy" vibes....

Also, just because you feel great and you can feel great vibes, it doesn't mean the she feels the same way. She can pretend a lot (not even consciously) just to keep the vibes going, but at the same time she may not really have strong feelings for you. Unfortunately for us guys, it is always their feelings and not our feelings that decide the future of the relationship...


You have the knowledge but not the experience. If you are smart you'll move on as Franco suggests. If you have some balls and are not afraid of some pain, you can still learn a lot from this girl (my suggestion) but IMO you are eventually facing rejection....
 

yaya

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Drck said:
IMO she is quite confused about you (e.g as Franco said, initially you presented as dominant and sexy, but then she figured out that you are not really that dominant and sexy, meaning you didn't have much experience)

You are acting differently when you are drunk (more confident/sexy?) vs when you are sober (more conservative and reasonable?). She doesn't "know you", and she feels like easy going for the fact that she slept with you very fast, but you don't really present as lover (when sober). She's confused and she feels "strange", "weird", "crazy vibes"...,

So the problem is that you are not congruent. You know much more (by reading GC) than you can do. On one side she perceives you as quite skilled and knowledgable about girls (she wants STD test because she think you slept with many random girls), and on the other she kind of feels that you really don't have the experience, which makes her uncomfortable with "crazy" vibes....

Also, just because you feel great and you can feel great vibes, it doesn't mean the she feels the same way. She can pretend a lot (not even consciously) just to keep the vibes going, but at the same time she may not really have strong feelings for you. Unfortunately for us guys, it is always their feelings and not our feelings that decide the future of the relationship...


You have the knowledge but not the experience. If you are smart you'll move on as Franco suggests. If you have some balls and are not afraid of some pain, you can still learn a lot from this girl (my suggestion) but IMO you are eventually facing rejection....

Very possible, though I am still pretty confident and dominant even when sober (though nowhere near the cocky arsehole I was drunk). She once told me she found it extremely hard to judge my reactions to things.

The mixed signals have only got worse. She subtly pushed me away after I made this post and I didn't contact her for about a month. Saw her on a night out and she was initially extremely flirty and excitable, but suddenly appeared exasperated, saying she "couldn't do this right now", and went cold. I left it and a week or so later she called me at 3am, drunk, apologising for it. We chatted for a bit and we agreed to meet up later in the week but nothing's materialised.

At this point I'm prepared to leave it, I'm just trying to understand whether these mixed signals and constant push/pulling are in reaction to things I've done or down to her own insecurities (she has quite a few red flags, honestly). It often felt like she'd only seek me out when I wasn't showing her any interest.

There doesn't seem to be much material on how this stage in a sexual relationship works, I wonder why.
 

yaya

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This is bizarre. After I submitted my last post, she calls my phone again at 4am (waking me up). It either rings out or she hangs up, but I call back (maybe naively) and she rejects the call. I go back to sleep until 6am when she calls again. I answer and she immediately hangs up.

At this point I'm just confused. This is clearly going nowhere but I have no idea what she's about anymore.
 

yaya

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Reflected on possible incongruence and in some ways it makes sense. I've often switched from overconfidence to subtle anxiety, though my baseline is a more relaxed confident manner (and much less of an arsehole). And I even told her I was a virgin (maybe not a good idea). I have a lot of these contradictions though. They're almost a part of my identity.

I'm just thinking back on all the times she'd say she "didn't know who I was" (when I saw her again last week the first thing she said was a flirty "who are you") and she's continually mentioned from the very start that it normally takes her "months" to trust people. Would also explain why she seems to withdraw whenever I make a move forward, either cos it comes across as a little needy or because she's trying to keep me on the periphery. It's a frustrating puzzle to piece together though. I don't really have the reference points to make total sense of it.
 

Drck

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Hey, is it possible that she reads those comments? LOL, you are screwed dude... You mentioned couple times her reactions after you posted here, I'm really wonder if she read it...

It also looks that she may have another guy(s) in her life, maybe not necessarily sleep with them but who are interesting and she likes them enough. So she may act confused because she is drawn/attracted to different guys...

Another possibility is, that by your GC knowledge you are generating quite of an interest. She may not be used to a guy who behave like that (meaning that you are following GC recommendations). Her attraction may have already expired, but because of some of your actions she keeps high interest in you, perhaps so she can 'learn' from you. It can be quite frustrating, I was in similar situation before - she was always coming back for more but at the same time she blocked any advances towards intimacy. I didn't mind though because I learned lots from her, while she (probably) was learning from me.

Or, she went through a break up with her BF, and you were rebound who she like, now she's confused about it ... there is simply more possibilities...


Focus on the congruency. If there is some problems with congruency it can be really frustrating. For example, long time ago I had a friend who wanted to go out with girls, he was obviously unsuccessful with his attempts. He was quite excited about going out with girls, and he really had no problems going out for dates. He tried really hard, yet when I told him what to do he always made lots of excuses why not to do it. The girls even invited him home, or to other places, yet he just wouldn't go. He was fighting his internal battle, which stopped him from progressing. I can imagine how frustrating that can be for girls, they see a good guy, who is happy and excited to go out with them, yet he just refuses to progress to intimacy. I'm not saying you are doing exactly the same, but there is a chance that you are doing similar things in different area, which is confusing and frustrating...

Remember, we are men, we are supposed to be simple, and girls expect us to be simple. Leave all the complications and sophistication for them. Keep it simple, invite her out and if she goes she is interested, try to have sex with her again. If not, if she constantly makes some excuses, she is gone...

Let us know what's going on
 

yaya

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Drck said:
Hey, is it possible that she reads those comments? LOL, you are screwed dude... You mentioned couple times her reactions after you posted here, I'm really wonder if she read it...
huh? I don't follow

oh, cos she called? It was only on Monday that she called for the first time (which is why I then came here) so it's not that much of a coincidence. The greater coincidences would be her finding this and managing to check it just after I posted last night.

don't scare me like that man


thanks for the comments though. Me being a rebound was something else I considered. As for other guys, I wouldn't know, but she has a lot of orbiters.

And if her attraction really did expire it expired incredibly dramatically cos even a couple of weeks before we started to cool off she was saying how attracted to me she was and how nervous she was around me (out of the blue), and it seems a little strange to me that she'd still act so emotional around me now if she's not attracted to me anymore and is just keeping me around to observe logically. Would attraction expire that quickly after we were having sex?

Seriously, who calls over and over at 4am?

Congruency and trust are possibly the problems. They make the most sense. Probably doesn't help at all that I made a remark at some point that I don't know who I am. Also thinking back on the first couple of weeks when she invited me round a couple of times and I declined (I was busy). Wonder if that set a bad precedent?
 

yaya

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I'm starting to think it may be auto-rejection. It explains all the details a lot better than anything else. I was pretty inconsistent in texting and availability the first two or three weeks after we first slept together and I feel like that pushed her away (esp. since she was showing quite a lot of interest in me during this time). This is also what my friends originally thought might be the problem. I know she was very into me and I haven't particularly chased or lost my cool since so I guess we'll see what happens but at least I know for the future.
 
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