Does She Want Me as a Friend or Boyfriend?

[Troy]

Does She Want Me As a Friend or Boyfriend?

In pervious posts ( A Tragic Story and Fucked Her ) I talked about how I was chatting to a girl by the name Malika who gave me resistance yet I overcomed that and bedded her. Afterwards she begun behaving aloof and other G.C. friends ( we are all friend's here ) jumped in to let me know that since she was behaving aloof after sex I should move on. Well I did move on until she got back in contact with me. She texted me to let me know she missed me so much, she has a lot of LOVE FOR ME, and that she can't wait to see me.

I took this as a good sign and ignored her message till she begun to REALLY chasing again.

You see how much she wanted to see me? Telling me she LOVES AND WANTS TO SEE ME PLUS Her two best friend's texted me saying that I should come get her because she has been talking about me all day and how I should marry her because she is telling them how she LOVES ME.

If you want you can skip it and go to the bottom where I have the last conversation quoted. Sorry this is so long but I don't know what is relevant or irrelevant. My guesses though is that I over gamed and over texted her and allowed her to set the frame of us being just friends; when I should have waited till the date I bed her and talk all I want afterwards.

Wednesday Night Whatsapp Conversation:

Malika: Are you cheating on me?

After I gave you all my love

This is what you do me in return

You ungrateful piece of shit

Don't talk to me ever again

I thought you loved me

But I was wrong

You don't deserve my tears

But I will live on

I will live on without your sorry ass

I WILL LOVE AGAINST

AGAIN*

On a second note

I think I forgive you

Let's start over

( my full name in bold )

WILL YOU BE MY BOYFRIEND

?????

Please say yes

Troy: Yes...I don't know what I did to hurt you though. Tell me

IMO I had no idea I hurt you. That's why I came to you on Monday to REALLY find out why you've been acting different. It's okay. Just tell me how I fucked up.

Yes. You can have me as your boyfriend. First I want to take you out to chill

My guess here is that I did something bad ( I have no idea because I've been nice to her whenever I saw her at school. I still flirt with her and behave the same before we had sex. On Monday I had a long talk with her because her friends and myself were wondering why she was behaving weird. Her friends arranged with me to get her alone with me. I don't recall saying anything harsh there; I just talked to her with authority ( in private of course ) and let her know that she should be the same before we had sex.

That said, another possible reason for her blowing up my phone with all those texts was because she was testing me. How strong I am and if I would put up with her b.s.. I think I failed the test. What do you think?

Thursday Morning Whatsapp Conversation:

Troy: Morning

Malika: Morning

Troy: Tell me what I did wrong...

Malika: Oh nothing

Troy: What? I don't get it...you tell me I hurt you...and when I ask what I do you say nothing

Malika: Look here when I reach school I text you okay

I reply here asking her why she was going to school today since we are on holiday. etcetera but not relevant to this conversation

Troy: I'll text you later about 3:00pm...bye

I didn't plan on texting her back because I would be busy....however shetexted me back by 4:00pm. Here is the dialogue:

Thursday Afternoon Texts:

Malika: Oh Troy you don't know how much I miss you right now. I wish you were here for me to hold right now. And tell me I'm going to pass. For me to stare at your handsome face......and pink kissable lips. Think about the love making we had. Hold your sexy invisible muscle filled hands. "

Troy: I want to see you soon...tomorrow is out of the picture so Monday or Tuesday? Pick a day. Monday is good though...girl all your talk is seducing me...making me horny

Malika: Okay. How may I help you?

Troy: Just meet me Monday...I've got to show you a really cool place in town ( my home )

Malika: Ahmm okay

Good! I moved fast here though it probably would have been better I met up with her same time since I was in town and she was too, but I was busy. I got the date though and I don't see any other problems.

Friday Night Whatsapp ( last conversation ):

( she sends a photo of a whatsapp conversation she had with a guy and I comment by repeating what she said to that guy )

Troy: My pussy cat have double average life... baby....and triple the average tight

Malika: Oh Lol

Troy: ( smiling emoticon )

Malika: But wait( shocked expression then neutral face emoticons )

Troy: It seems like you want me to spell out everything lol

Malika: Smh ( shake my head abbreviation )

Never mind then ( sad face emoticon )

Troy: Uhmm because we've passed 3rd base...we fucked duh

Malika: Okay

Wait

So what is 4th base??

Troy: Rules: 1st base-first meeting, 2nd base-flirty, getting to know someone, even for 5 minutes, 3rd base-hard fuck, 4th base-if oral fucking didn't happen in base 3 it happens now. And 5th base- is a surprise

Malika: What is 5th? TELL ME NOW

Troy: Surprise...it varies for me from past experience...so I can't say till base 4 passes.

Malika: K then ( okay then )

Troy: Yeah

Malika: " No cheating please, be totally honest send this to 9 contact and see what they want from you, send it to me too and I'll let you know what I want from you!!
1 = A baby?
2= Best friend forever
3= Your heart?
4= A deep kiss
5= Drinks n Fun?
6= Dinner?
7= Play with you?
8= One night stand
9= Always be there for me?
10= Marrige?
11= Let you go?
13= Meet u?
14= An apology?
15= Hot slap?
16= Success?
17= Serious Relationship?
18= Money?
19= Progress
20= Advice
21= Sex

Troy: lol ( I send it back to her )

Malika: Mine #'s are 12, 15, 18. What are your's?
Troy: lol...right now I want a #14

Malika: Ok. I'm sorry

Troy: Seriously what do you want from me? Don't lie, I'm not judgmental

Malika: 2 ( that is a best friend forever. Followed by smiling emoticons )

Troy: Me #14

Malika: Why the fuck do you need an apology??

Troy: Uhm... people can't be best friend's after fucking... I'll have to give you one for that ( playful head slap )

Malika: Yes you can. They can just forget it ever happened

Troy: I won't forget

Malika: Why the hell not???

Troy: I remember everything...it's just a man's thing...we remember sex like how we know our dick.
Uhm I'll never forget

Malika: But. Even if you can't or won't forget. You can move on like nothing happened

Troy: Yes I can move on. Anytime

Malika: Okay so friends?

Troy: You said you wanted me as your boyfriend. So yes...friends...with boy in front

Malika: It's the same thing. You'll be a boy. Who is my friend

Troy: There is a difference. A boyfriend and a male friend.

Malika: No there is not....

Troy: Okay so if I see you walking with a boy I should just assume is your boyfriend

Malika: No. Sigh

Troy: Explain

Malika: Well......... there are different stages in being a male friend

Troy: Ok tell me more. So what would you call your husband, just for conversational sake?

Malika: A person you marry. So......your gonna be my friend now???

Troy: I'm confused. What kind of friend ? What is the boundary to this type of "friend"?

Malika: Lets say no more sexing

Troy: Who ( I'm pretending not to know )

Malika: Between us

Troy: Okay...so you'll have me as your boyfriend...and then you say that...I'll just get someone else to fuck me

Malika: Sigh. I'm done here

Troy: Okay

Malika: Good night

I'm going to sleep

I'm back

So...

I have thought

And thought

And thought again

And I think it's best for both of us to just be friend's and nothing else

What happened here? I was doing so well ( in my opinion ) till this conversation went into friend zone talk and sex talk. I GET WHY CHASE AND FRANCO SAY USE TEXTING FOR SETTING UP DATES. I don't know how to recover from this so I haven't relpied. It's 1:20am now and she is still online. I made sure to read her mesage so she knows I read it but ignored them. I get sex from her and I'm the one with more power so she wants things to go back to a platonic friend's level so she can get back the power! Bear in mind she still likes me and probably still wants me to be her boyfriend. However because I messed up badly she changed her mind.

My chances at this girl look pretty slim right now; luckily we already planned to meet up on Monday ( my birthday...hopefully I can get birthday sex .

I want to try my skills at this till I get the date Monday ( or if it doesn't work out, unfortunately, I can move on FINALLY. I'll NEXT her until I become more attractive then if she gets in contact with me I'll consider her AGAIN.
In the meantime I realize I need to meet more girl's and level up. Who is to tell? She just might get jealous and come back on my radar.

However, even for my birthday, I'd still want steps to go from here and bed her. Any advice guy's? When should I reply to the last text? And what can I say?

Troy

 

[Troy]

NEXT

Ahh simple and powerful answer...however what if she still decides to come out with me? If it's even to get birthday day sex. I'm not so experienced yet that I can go out and find another ready girl. I don't want to spend my birthday alone....sigh

Troy

 

[ray_zorse]

To add to DrexelScott's response (+1 to the NEXT) this is a tragic waste of your time, simple rule, if they blow up your phone (that first long message from her in which she accuses you of hurting her), ignore permanently (hard NEXT) or for 10 days then re-engage without making any reference to her soft NEXTable offence (soft NEXT). I did break this rule recently w my previous gf because she was feeling neglected and I felt this was not unreasonable, so I called her to tell her not to worry, everything is fine just been busy and also I could not understand why she didn't try to express this feeling in person when we had coffee an hour previously, she said OK then blew up my phone again with another multi page BS text and got a soft NEXT, showing u need to be firm.
Ray
PS I would not go out with her on my birthday, because I would end up feeling worse (hopes up / hopes dashed). She doesn't care about your feelings, only the validation from having u publicly chase her. You're operating from scarcity. Cut it out. You already wasted a huge amount of effort on her, which was pointless since you already conquered this.

 

[Troy]

In that case I'll have to hit the streets hard tomorrow plus the sports bar and see if I can pull or set up a date for Monday. A Hercules amount of energy I will need to do this. It's either go hard or go home to wank off to imaginary porn ( I've cut out porn though ). Whatever you guy's didn't say I've got no more questions. It's a NEXT ( I only hope she doesn't blow up my phone again when I've ignored her again. She will know I saw her whatsapp messages. In addition to what both of you said, what I fear most is burning bridges with her ( indirectly ) since I will be seeing her at school EVERYDAY ). It's going to be awkward seeing her at school and passing her like we have never met. Sigh Anyway such is life if she won't give me the action, I won't give her the time. )

Sigh....ok gents. Thanks.

Troy

Edit: Two things just came to mind:

1) What should I do if she messages me again? She still wants be friends ( I'm not interested in being just friends ) so she will message me soon. Ignore or reply?

2) I am still friends with her best friends who go everywhere with her. How should I behave with her friends? And how should I treat her? Like should I walk past her without saying " hi " when we were good good friends before. I have no idea what to say to her though.

 

[Musicgrey]

Hey Troy, I think you lost her when you said yes to being her boyfriend through text. Unconsciously, she's thinking you are attractive, challenging and wants you badly, but all this excitement is lost when you said yes to her. It might have been a sealed deal if it was said when you meet her. I think what you could have done was, instead of answering, get her out in person. You would've skipped all the unnecessary trouble. What happened was that you gave away too easily without her doing much other then texting. As Drexel said next her, if she wants you she has to work for it in person. You don't have to burn bridges and it doesn't have to be awkward. If I was in your position, I would just say hi when we see each other and thats all. I wouldn't go an extra meter, striking up conversation with her.

Stingray

 

[Troy]

Hey Troy, I think you lost her when you said yes to being her boyfriend through text. Unconsciously, she's thinking you are attractive, challenging and wants you badly, but all this excitement is lost when you said yes to her. It might have been a sealed deal if it was said when you meet her. I think what you could have done was, instead of answering, get her out in person. You would've skipped all the unnecessary trouble. What happened was that you gave away too easily without her doing much other then texting.

I never thought about it this way....she got the prize (me) too easy so placed little value on it.

The score is 3 - nil in favor of NEXTING HER................
..........I didn't expect it to go this way. Everything was going perfect till this. To how badly she wanted me I saw her rubbing her pussy while I sat in the library with her and she looked me deep in the eyes. Anyonie could have seen her and she went through all that for ME.

It feels awful to walk away because of ONE little mistake. A little on my past: I have a long history of people NEXTING me and me NEXTING them and I've grown tired of it. I'm meeting so many girls, things are going great, then bam, a little mistake DESTROYS EVERYTHING and I'm back to square one. It makes me feel like I can't find anyone to be with who looks past little mistakes. Many times all I want is a steady girlfriend I can fuck REGULARLY. It gets stale to ALWAYS be starting OVER with so many girls. That's just a bad strategy to getting a abundance mindset.

That said, Drexel, I re-read your article on NEXTING girl's and I've read others and have a plan:

How to NEXT Her

I Don't Chase Em, I Replace Em

These to cut contact and go meet new girl's

How Preselection Can Get You Girl's

Reversing Poor Past Precedent With Girl's You Like

I go flirt with other girls and get them chasing plus I'll improve and feel better. Not to mention that MOST LIKELY she will see this and come chasing again. I already told her I'm willing to walk away so I might as well prove it. She willl get jealous ......

And if she gets back in contact with me I do this. I still like her and I know she likes me but I won't make it so easy for her to walk in and out of my life as she wants. Time for operant conditioning?

What to Do If She Gets Back in Touch

And of course, I'll have to step up on social calibration in my series Social Calibration Step Up Series , plus do more relationship management and ensure I'm boosting my social value.

Can this plan work?


Troy

 

[Slippin' Jimmy]

Troy,

Reading the wednesday night whatsapp conversation, its hard to know whether to laugh or cry. This girl could be dangerous (mentally unstable), man. Take the other guys advice and NEXT her before she comes at you with a kitchen knife.

 

[Troy]

I've spoken to a couple of friend's about this and they all had one thing to say " That girl is crazy. Nuts. " It's funny how when infatuation catches someone they view the person of admiration as perfect. I don't view her as perfect, but I'm still seeing her as this normal person with many quirks. Sigh...i don't know what to believe. She acts normal most times...yet everyone I've shown this to says she is mentally ill. Last night she whatapped me when I was out in town approaching and having fun. I ignored her message till I reached home. First I messaged her to let her know I was a little tired and prefered to talk till it weared off. She said I could voice call her so I did and we talked for 20 minutes, then I told her someone was calling me so she should call me back when I message her. I talked to the other person then told her to call me back and she did and we spoke for 18 minutes then went back to messaging.

EVERYONE some of this is even crazier than what I shared above, I'm starting to believe she is a possible crazy. The reason why I spoke to her so long was because I wanted to UNDERSTAND HER better to see possible reasons behind her personality. You might be shocked at some of what we spoke about. I've already heard the advice " love myself and run from her ". Before I do that I wanted to find out her history and why she does xyz thing. This could help me pick up on warning signs with future girls.

In case you don't want to read all of it, I've broken it down. In summary:

1. She told me she is bipolar, meaning she has severe mood swings. Being bipolar can make a person behave crazy, which is their normal. They have a tendency to go from extremely happy to extremely sad or angry. This can make them suicidal as well. I care about her well-being and want to see the best for her....she is usually so flirty and outgoing , and nice to me I would never guess she was bipolar.

2. She lost her virginity from age 14 and has been sleeping around. I asked her to guess how many men she has been with and she said " 13 ". I'm assuming that's close to her real partner count because she told me she has slept with 7 guys, including me. Do the maths, she may have given me half the number of men she has been with to avoid being shamed.Sigh...I thought I was #1...anyways moving on. I did my best to be non-judgmental so she would tell me the truth, though I'm not sure I got it. Lets say she gave me half the number of men she has slept with. It would be 14 lovers she has taken on in 2 years. Meaning she would have slept with roughly 7 men in a year and If she did sleep with 7 in 2 years she would have taken on 3 per year, roughly.

That's a LOT! Time for me to step up my game as well and catch up. I'm yet to hear from her best friend who knows more too. She keeps mostly male friend's so I'm not surprised. The part I can't understand is why she looks so innocent when she has been dipped by so many men. Sex 5 times with 5 different men in a day? 4-10 times a month? What the fuck? I'm sorry I have to even be posting this guys. I'm devastated just thinking about it. What will society look like when men and women come to believe that no one is faithful? I can tell you that I'm glad she changed her mind (from wanting me as her boyfriend ) and let me know what's going on...I never would have guessed.

Not to spoil any more of the overall story, here is the whatsapp dialogue:

Troy: Did you hang up

Malika: No
Good morning though

Troy: Mhm
I get what you are saying

Malika: What am I saying?

Troy: You wouldn't agree even if I said it...sigh

Malika: Say it

Troy: Ahh...I'd better tell you in person

Malika: NO
Vn it then

Troy: What's vn

Malika: Voice note

Troy: When I see you...because it's something bad I got to say

Malika: Say it now
Or I won't want to hear it again

Troy: Ok but you won't like it

Malika: K
Go a head
( waiting sigh emoticons )
I'm waiting

Troy: I'm sick of how you've been acting lately. I'd tell you to fuck off, in person. I wish we never fucked because it just make us moving weird. I'm going to give up on trying to talk

Malika: Ok

Troy: I wish we were like friend's before...sigh

Malika: But we are

Troy: No

Malika: Yes

Troy: Are we behaving the same as before?

Malika: No
So you want me to treat you like how I treated you about a month after I first spoke to you

Troy: The point I'm making is that I've never fucked some girl that went back to a friend's level
Just Friends

Malika: Ok
Well that's them
This is me
I don't want a boyfriend or man
Or what the fuck people call it these days

Troy: What do you want?

Malika: Idk ( I don't know )
That's the point
That's why we should just leave it as friend's

Troy: Sigh
If you don't even know what you want, no one will to give it to you

Malika: I don't want a boyfriend. That's for sure though

Troy: Are you straight or gay?
Lesbian I mean?

Malika: If I was a lesbian I wouldn't have fucked you

Troy: Ok
So have you ever had a boyfriend?

Malika: Yup

Troy: And what happened? Obviously if you had a boyfriend and have no clue what you want, something is wrong there
It could be good or bad

Malika: No
It's not that
I can commit
Not
I'm not a commitment person

Troy: Okay...I'm learning about you...though it's a hard case ( hand over face emoticon )

Malika: Sigh
Sure ( 3 happy emoticons )

Okay I've got to break this down in bite sized chunks. My aim with this part was to find out why she was behaving weird and what are her views on relationships and sex. There is more to find out though. This part below is where the conversation turns crazy.

Troy: When was your first time having sex? Age

Malika: 14

Troy: One time or nuf ( a lot ) ?

Malika: From then till now
Nuff ( a lot )

Troy: What you call nuf?
Sigh my story is funny

Malika: I call nuf......alot, plenty a large amount
What's your story?

Troy: ( I wanted to look more experienced here so I lied...sigh ) I started at 13...I was raped by my ex and her best friend...it's a bit scary looking

Malika: Ok
4-10 times for a month.....and on summer holiday 4-5 a day
I sex a lot

Troy: Wow that's interesting

Malika: I know right
And I can sex you now and in the next four hour or so hours sex someone else and they wouldn't know
It's kind of Kool

Troy: It is
Not many girl's can do that...I'm finally beginning to understand you

Malika: No one can understand me

Troy: Well helpme understand better
If I don't understand someone I have trouble talking to them

Malika: I don't want a relationship at all ok
If you understand that

Troy: I didn't say I wanted that

Malika:There is No need to understand anything

Troy: Ok
I hear you

Malika: I don't want anything more than a friend

Troy: I know
So can we be friend's?

Troy: So you're saying we aren't ? ( hand over face, mouth and sad face emoticons )
( wink emoticon )

Malika: ( looking to the side emoticon )

Troy: Lol a joke

Malika: And you should know I'm bipolar

Troy: What's that?

Malika: And now I'm in a serious mode so don't joke with me

Troy: Ok

Malika: ( send image defining bipolar from National Institute of Mental Health )

Troy: Oh

Malika: Yup
I have severe mood swings

Troy: I've realized

Malika: So if you see me acting weird
It's my normal

Troy: Okay

Malika: Yup

Troy: Fun topic: Take a quick look at my profile pic and guess my partner count ( how many girl's I've fucked ) And I'll do the same ( smiling emoticon )

Malika: None

Troy: Haha you style your self....bout none. ( meaning she insulted her self since I fucked her )

Malika: Me and you never fuck

Troy: Huh? What you call it then?

Malika: I call it a preview of what is to come

Troy: Oh
Alright seriously, guess how many girl's I've fucked

Malika: 13

Troy: U?

Malika: No...you

Troy: Close enough
What's your's ?

Malika: If I include you
7

Troy: Guess who make 7, girl you body still feel tight tight like me...
Lyrics ( a popular song now )

Malika: Smh

Troy: Lol

Malika: Oh
I came up with a 30 day " change my life " program
I'm going back to the old me

I wouldn't want to be with someone who has sexed so many men in 2 years. Between 14 and 16 she has taken on at least 7 partners. What will that look like when she reaches 20? Or 25?

Troy: Which is?

Malika: You know John Brown

Troy: Yeah

Malika:You know where exactly at Old Rumber him live

Troy: No...why?

Malika: Oh
Nothing

Troy: Just talk girl
Stop the nothing business

Malika: Just curious
I'm going to ask him myself

Troy: Ask what? Don't say nothing. I get annoyed when you say that.

Malika: Where exactly at Old Rumber him live

Troy: Why? I can't let you go kill him. Give me a reason

Malika: He was a friend...why would I want to kill him. He used to come at our school and him annoy the shit out of me
I have no reason to harm him

Troy: Oh...I will tell him to expect a girl in our school uniform knocking at his gate for a one fuck lol ( wink emoticon )

Malika: Not funny

Troy: A joke

Malika: I don't care

Troy: K
Tell me why or else I can't give you him address

Malika: I'll just ask him for it then

Troy: K

Malika: Yup
You know Ishama Bavis?

Troy: No
What about?

Malika: Nothing
I'm the godmother for her baby

Troy: You are annoying me agin with your " nothing "

Malika: She used to run 800m and 1500m at her school

Troy: Probably I know her by a different name or I would know her by face

Malika Ok

Troy: Yup
You know I'm still a little angry with you when you say you want me as your boyfriend and I said sure. Then you style me ( insult ). Sigh...another girl asked me the same question same day and I had to choose

Malika: Did you choose her??? Hopefully you did

Troy: Remember I said " sure " to you

Malika: Yea...But you didn't say 'yes'

Troy: I said yes
I like you like that
I swear I'm going back to her

Malika: OK

Troy: I felt insulted

Malika: Really
I'm sorry

Troy: No girl ever dared try that with me...but why did you ask me to be your boyfriend?

Malika: ( she sends__ song ) Shantai bet me

Troy: So high...girl your the one I want to marry...I want it too...lyrics
I'm still listening
I can't believe Shantai did that...I'm double insulted...she owes me a apology

Malika: No
I owe you an apology

Troy: Smh...I politely rejected a girl to be with you...now I'm working my ass off to get her back ( sad emoticon )

Malika: I told her I could
She said I couldn't
Then we made a bet
I did it
I won
She owes me something
So I'll just double owe you because
She owes me already

Troy: I learnt my lesson

Malika: Yup
Lesson learnt

Troy: Lesson Learnt is: NEVER ACCEPT MALIKA'S AS GIRLFRIEND'S LOL ( wink emoticon )
Dwl

Malika: No ( sends__song )
Lesson learnt is: IF YOU CAN GET MALIKA TO COMMIT GOD HIMSELF TELL HER TO DO IT ( lots of smiling emoticons )

Troy: Mhm...I've got no time for that...I've got another chick to reel back in...you know how much work that girl?...

Malika: Nope

Troy: After me go tell the girl I'm seeing someone

Malika: I have never looked someone before
How you do it? That song is for you
(song)
(wink, kiss, happy face with tongue sticking out emoticons )

Troy: For a girl it is very easy...even if she is shy or weird there will always be some guy willing to be with her. For a man he has to work. Fuck that I stop working...They work for me...I'm boss

Malika: Lol

Troy: I like that song. Thanks ( kiss and heart eyes emoticon )

Malika: Yup

Troy: Funny how you won't be seeing me a whole lot from now on...
I'm probably moving on

Malika: YEES

Troy: How do you plan to apologize this time?...I'm messaging this other chick and I'm fighting to survive
A sorry won't do
I won't put you under pressure though....do what you want

Malika: I would like to make it up to you
But I don't know how
Any suggestions

All I've got to say is " I'm going to run for the hills. I'm seein too many red flags here. I see what everyone is saying now. At the top of this post I said I couldn't see the signs but now I do...Thanks much....I don't want her coming at me with a kitchen knife...her friend will tell me the rest so I know what the bigger deal is..."

Troy

 

[Troy]

A correction:

2. She lost her virginity from age 14 and has been sleeping around. I asked her to guess how many men she has been with and she said " 13 ".

This should read " She lost her virginity from age 14 and has been sleeping around. I asked her to guess how many girls I have been with and she said "13 ".

Troy

 

[Drck]

Didn't read the whole tread, but the first conversation is striking. She unloaded all emotions on you - asking whether you are a cheater while she loves you (with all her heart and soul), that you hurt her (what good guy will hurt poor and innocent girl?), she's calling you names (you little piece of shit), she is suggesting that you fooled her into love and she realized that she was wrong about you (poor girl), that she will survive without you (but it will be very difficult because she already gave all her life to you), that she will forgive you (for what kind of horrible person you are), she even gives you second chance (you low and miserable life, no other girl would do it for you, only her, that's how good she is). Then she asks you nicely if you will be her BF....

DAMN! She is all over the place!

Now normal thinking (nice) guy would collapse into her frame, he will start thinking that he did something wrong, he will start analyzing his "bad" behavior, he will start apologizing for his bad behavior, he will be feeling bad for her (and he will start doing nice stuff for her, for free of course)... He will start long journey of justifying his behavior, apologizing for his natural desire to have sex with her, trying to make up for her "hurt" feelings... He will already make a plan in his head for next time - next time he must be much slower and gentler, because only this way she won't be as hurt...

And then he goes, he will start texting and calling, explaining and apologizing, making her feel good....

It's a trap, most normal guys fall into it. It is a first - out of many - attempt for domestication, an attempt to submit to her. You can even see it as manipulation - she wants s to wrap many emotions around you so you submit... She knows that normal guys can't deal with so many emotions, they give up, they start doing many different things to keep her happy, because only when she is happy they can be in peace again....

But you are not normal, you don't want to be normal, you don't want to submit, you don't want to be domesticated. You want to fuck her and walk away with a winner smile, you don't want to cave into her emotional trap, you don't want to react to her emotions, you want to be ready to walk away from her anytime you want...

She is inexperienced and she threw all her emotions out there at once. Which is good because you can see it clearly. Beware though, there is lots of experienced girls out there, they are not so obvious, they do it slowly over longer period of time, months even years... You literally wake up one day realizing that you are domesticated puppy on her leash, well trained, jumping around on her command, not being able to resist because she holds you firmly by your balls... Now you can't even escape, unless you want to lose your retirement, pay alimony and child support, feeling miserable for the rest of your life, and watching her fucking different guys in your house while there is a restriction order out there with your name on it... She can be worse than God's fucking mills, grinding the guy's balls slowly but surly, while making him feel good, so good that he doesn't even question his behavior....

Is she a psycho? Well, perhaps better question would be: which of them isn't? She is just inexperienced thus too obvious, she is impatient and showed all her cards at once... But again, there are lots of experienced girls out there, they are only subtle, they cover everything in sweetness, great vibes, cuteness and innocence...

 

[Troy]

She is inexperienced and she threw all her emotions out there at once. Which is good because you can see it clearly. Beware though, there is lots of experienced girls out there, they are not so obvious, they do it slowly over longer period of time, months even years...

Hey Drck,

Since you said you didn't read everything, I'd like to point out a snippet of Saturday night's conversation. I said that Malika has slept with at least 7 guy's.

2. She lost her virginity from age 14 and has been sleeping around. I asked her to guess how many men she has been with and she said " 13 ". I'm assuming that's close to her real partner count because she told me she has slept with 7 guys, including me. Do the maths, she may have given me half the number of men she has been with to avoid being shamed.Sigh...I thought I was #1...anyways moving on. I did my best to be non-judgmental so she would tell me the truth, though I'm not sure I got it. Lets say she gave me half the number of men she has slept with. It would be 14 lovers she has taken on in 2 years. Meaning she would have slept with roughly 7 men in a year and If she did sleep with 7 in 2 years she would have taken on 3 per year, roughly.

That's a LOT! Time for me to step up my game as well and catch up. I'm yet to hear from her best friend who knows more too. She keeps mostly male friend's so I'm not surprised. The part I can't understand is why she looks so innocent when she has been dipped by so many men. Sex 5 times with 5 different men in a day? 4-10 times a month? What the fuck?

Does that sound like a very experienced girl when compared to her age?

Troy

 

[Drck]

Inexperienced in dealing with guys/LTR, which doesn't necessarily translate into sexual inexperience.

IMO she could be lying little bit. It seems that she is confused about your behavior (remember, by following GC you have a different frame and different acting than most of the guys out there) and she is trying to figure you out, that's why she is throwing at you lots of stuff. But who really knows with how many guys she really slept with?

She might be confused about your frame. During your first post, you wrote that your interaction with her wasn't successful. You rather appeared as weak beta guy, who let the other guy take over. Next time comes, and you nail her quite fast, she may have not expecting it from the guy who presented as a friend before... So she may be trying to figure out who you are

Hey, I lost virginity at age 14 - how about you?
Hey, I sleep around with many guys - how about you?
Hey, I can sleep with 5 different guys in one day - how about you?
She asked you to be her BF, now she's trying to figure out if you just want to be friend...


It could be kind of indirect way to find out about you. She shares something, and expect that you will share as well. She of course may other may not be lying, while expecting that you will share the truth....

So we don't know what the fuck she wants or whether she is telling the truth or not. But there are actually good lessons to learn from this:

1. You should have a solid frame before you go out with her. What do you want with her, GF or just casual NSA fuck? Say you want GF. So she asks you questions: hey, do you want to be friends only? Your answer: Fuck no, I want you as GF only, you'll either be my GF or I walk. She asks: Hey, my friend is sleeping with random guys, what do you think about her? You: She is a slut because she sleeps around, I would never allow my GF to do that, and if she does she would be dumped on the spot. That is it, that is your frame and she can't change it. If she does, you walk away.

Think about a guy who doesn't have a frame. She is asking you questions: Hey, do you want to be my BF? Yea, I guess... Hey, what do you think about my friend that sleeps with other guys? I guess it's ok. Hey, do you want to be friends only? Hmm, I thought that we could be lovers, but if you want to be friends, I guess it's ok... What is she suppose to think about you? You don't know what do you want, you can't make decisions, you are compliant with whatever she says, you don't stand for anything, she doesn't even know if you like her enough.... You will be dumped very fast....

If you are not clear, she can't be clear either. That's a very easy way to lose a girl that you just nailed, because she simply doesn't know what you want with her...

2. Your whole frame is wrong. "Does She want me as a friend or BF?" No. It is not what she wants, it is what you want. The right frame is: "Do I want her as a GF or just friend?". Girls don't know what they want. They say stuff pretending that they know, but they really have no clue. She is a clear proof, she changes her mind every couple of minutes. She is trying to find out what you want. She may disagree with what you want, but the more important thing is that now she knows what do you want, and that you go for it - with her or without her...

3. Avoid long texts. You can't read her emotions through text, she might be mad but she can easily send smiley face. You get entangled into stuff that you didn't want to talk about. She will - usually - stop responding to your text, making you wonder what you said or did wrong. You will get all anxious and nervous, all impatient because she is not responding to you, and you know that she is glued to the fucking phone 24/7, so why doesn't she responding? Exactly, she knows exactly how you are feeling, and she can easily test your impatience by not responding. Watch every guy who doesn't get answer, he will start freaking out, he will start texting and calling her... And now she's got a clear picture about him - he is not really a man that he pretends to be, he is acting like a pussy... Does she want to date a Pussy that is also glued to the phone like herself? There you go, he is dumped and doesn't even know why...

You want to see her face to face instead, take her out again, and nail her again. I don't have a phone, you tell her, if you want to see me again you have to come to my place and knock three times on the door in sets of two, so I know it's you... Let's show her who is the real psycho, lol

 

[Troy]

Inexperienced in dealing with guys/LTR, which doesn't necessarily translate into sexual inexperience.

IMO she could be lying little bit. It seems that she is confused about your behavior (remember, by following GC you have a different frame and different acting than most of the guys out there) and she is trying to figure you out, that's why she is throwing at you lots of stuff. But who really knows with how many guys she really slept with?

She might be confused about your frame. During your first post, you wrote that your interaction with her wasn't successful. You rather appeared as weak beta guy, who let the other guy take over. Next time comes, and you nail her quite fast, she may have not expecting it from the guy who presented as a friend before... So she may be trying to figure out who you are

Hey, I lost virginity at age 14 - how about you?
Hey, I sleep around with many guys - how about you?
Hey, I can sleep with 5 different guys in one day - how about you?
She asked you to be her BF, now she's trying to figure out if you just want to be friend...


It could be kind of indirect way to find out about you. She shares something, and expect that you will share as well. She of course may other may not be lying, while expecting that you will share the truth....

What if she is telling the truth? When I look at her I see pure innocence except for when she fucked me. I feel devastated just thinking " I like her and would still want her as my girlfriend. There is something I really like about her. " but she has slept with so many guys at such a young age. It makes me feel like I can't trust women to be faithful or like I can't find virgins. What will relationships look like when everyone is cheating on their partner or everyone has had so many partners. Maybe it's the way I grew up because I feel bitter towards this girl while I still like her. Smh I need to get out of this situation quick because I'm slowly falling for her.

Troy

 

[Drck]

Who knows if she is telling the truth or not? Who knows with how many guys she really slept? I don't know and she won't tell you.

That's how girls are, she may have slept with 30-50 guys, yet once she is ready to settle down she will find some fool and make him feel that she is still this innocent, sweet and cute virgin, that he is the only one that got her heart... Right. He then goes and puts his happy face pictures all over the fucking Facebook, showing everybody what kind of price he's got, and then he goes and pays and pays, then pays some more... I've even seen these guys to put on superman Tshirt, perhaps in a gesture that he saved her from all the bad guys out there...and she is hugging him and kissing him as if he were the true hero...

It's actually quite sad what is going on in the real world...

 

[Troy]

Who knows if she is telling the truth or not? Who knows with how many guys she really slept? I don't know and she won't tell you.

Thanks Drck. I have a lot more drama to post. It really sad to see how things will go. Tonight I spoke to 3 female friends who know her and I told them what I was going through ( of course without letting them know I was talking about Malika ) and they all had one thing to say " she is mad ".

Accidentally I told one of the girl's who I was talking about and she was shocked. " Why would she behave like that? " was her friends expression. Everyone is telling me I should stay away. She happens to be suicidal and she told me I should not hang out with any other girl or else she would be walking with a knife to kill either herself or any girl that dare talk to me. I was shocked and I had to warn her off

Even her best friend said I should stop talking to her. I hate to say that they probably are right. I want to see the best in everyone. To how she is behaving she is on the road to Bellevue, prostitution, early parenthood, or the morgue. I'll be speaking with her friends tomorrow and then the school counselor to get her help before it's too late.

Troy

 

[Drck]

Yea, she's one of these "beware of what you wish for"...

She is emotionally unstable and manipulative: "Do this and that, or I will kill myself". That's bad. She also threatens to kill other people. I don't know her but I know that sometimes people just say crap and they don't really mean it. If that is not the case however, and she is serious about it, both are good reason for hospitalization especially if she's got a history of previous psych issues...

Imagine what will happen two years from now, after you marry her. She is not gonna change, she will wrap you in her emotions and you won't be able to escape, whatever you'll try she will threaten you with that crap. Imagine how is she going to act ten years into marriage. And you want to marry her, right?

If not, well, I would let her go. Unless you want to be a therapist and don't know what you are doing, don't try to help her. Don't be a White Knight, if she wants to be a prostitute, well, it is her choice. I would walk away, leave it on counselors and therapists, I wouldn't get involved. You already slept with her and now she wants you, you will only create more drama, more mess... Be assertive, don't let her threaten you, that is not right. The sad part is that some girls actually can try to hurt themselves...

 

[Troy]

This is why you never put your dick in crazy.

To rap up on what Drexel had to say I have confirmed that she is crazy. I sat her down and asked her why she did the things she does and this is what she had to say:

I grew up in a terrible home. All my family hates me; my mom was never there for me. My dad was the only person who I kind of liked because he was always pulling away from my family. I've been beaten really bad, I wasn't shown love, and that is why I don't feel emotions like other people. For 6 years my family has been trying to put me in a home and my dad was the only one who was on my side and he was the one that sent me to school.

I have been in many wars and I have been to court and the police station several times. Even last week I was in the station for.....(she stopped talking about it ). Police always at my house because there is always some war. I've went missing more times than a stray dog it's not funny. I've been on police stations missing list. And I know every guy because of that. I hate men because they don't value me.

I have a very bad reputation in my community. I know every guy and I fuck everyone and everything. Every guy in my neighbourhood knows me as a whore and I fuck any dick because I have the power to do it. I can fuck as much as I want because wasn't shown love at all. I've gotten dicks in allies, street sides, cars, at men's house's, basically everywhere.

I'm known as the community whore and it is very bad

Then I asked her why she does this and she said:

1) I have the power to fuck anything I see
2) I don't know how to love so I just fuck
3) I have the power to fuck anything
4) I just feel like fucking
5) I have the power to do anything

Sigh.....after hearing this all I could think was damn girl you have been used by so many me at such a young age. "What is your partner count?

Malika: I lost count. It's far more than 7 and probably has passed 50. I stop counting a long time ago because it's hard to keep track of so many men who have been there.

Troy: I'm sorry to hear all this. I need you to talk to my Uncle because he can help. If you refuse I'm taking your damn butt to the school therapist. You need serious help.

Malika: Therapy doesn't help. I've been to many therapists and all the teachers and therapists at school already have spoken to me and know everything yet they couldn't help.

I let the conversation die down here. I don't know what else to say and I'm not willing to try fix a girl so broken. She is walking around pretending to be ok when she is psycho. I'm going to take the warnings I get. When I described Malika to her best friend all she said was " she mad, she a mad woman ", until I told her it was her best friend who said all those thing's. She was so shocked and disappointed. No one I told this to has been on Malika's side; guys from her hood are spreading the news and it won't be long before the whole school knows her as a whore.

Final word: I'm going to keep a good distance away from Malika. It's sad that she is going through all this. She lacks empathy and if I stick around I'm going to get hurt. I'm out gents.

Thanks for all the replies.

Troy

 

[Mr.Rob]

if I stick around I'm going to get hurt. I'm out gents.

About time. A wise decision dude. Nothing you do will change this girl she's too deep down her rabbit hole. Take the lessons you learned and move on.

 

[Troy]

About time. A wise decision dude. Nothing you do will change this girl she's too deep down her rabbit hole. Take the lessons you learned and move on.

Definitely! She can't even make up her mind. She is still asking me to be her boyfriend. I'm no longer available for her.

Edit: She cannot be trusted. Yesterday when we were talking I got up and left my phone beside her because someone called me. I had taken off the phone lock temporarily since it does become annoying at times.

When we first sexed I took photos with her because I like looking back at all my experiences. When I came back I didn't realize anything. It was this morning I realized all my (when we sexed) photos have been deleted...sigh and I didn't force her to take any pics. So why did she go into my phone without my permission and delete them? I swear this gal is crazy and untrustworthy....I'm very angry with her yet she wants to behave too cool and apologize like nothing bad happened.

I say this to make you guys know: Don't ever trust a woman to hold your phone without it being locked. Damn crazy bitch!!!...ahh boy

Troy