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Does This Count as a Failed Escalation?

ramirezs316

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Met this sexy older girl online. We went out for drinks and vibed well immediately. Chatted and flirted for two hours, so much so that she initiated the first kiss then and there. I suggest we head back to her place to keep chatting and so I can meet her little dog she kept raving about (for real lol). She feels like going to a club first, so we drive to one not too far away, we drink and keep chatting, then she suggests leaving early.

On the drive home, she holds my hand and massages it. She tells me a friend is staying with her so she can't invite me in. But once we walk up, I ask if I can use her bathroom before I drive back (I'm like 45 min away) and she lets me in. Her friend is sound asleep in the bedroom and we have the living room to ourselves. We sit on her couch and play with her dog. I try to set the mood but she gets up to the front door saying its late. We hug and kiss, and she undoes my shirt as a joke to her dog. We makeout a little more, starting and stopping, but she eventually opens the door to call it a night.

So we step outside her door and kiss goodnight, which turns into a makeout. I've ended dates on makeouts before, no problem. But she then puts her hand down my pants and pulls my dick out. I say "Let's go back inside" but she says she can't. I escalate on her and put my hand down her skirt. I say "let's go back to my car" but she says she can't. I get her up against the door and open it, but she closes it and says we can't do that. We go back and forth maybe 5 times in crazed ecstasy, each time I try to appeal to her logic to get her anywhere else (there is almost no place to fuck in this hallway and I wasn't comfortable with that). Finally she stops herself and says we have to call it a night, so we do.

I texted her the next day saying I had a good time but no response, predictably. My thing is: I can't see what else I could've done short of fucking her on the hard concrete stairs of her apt hallway, forcing my way back, or not leaving her apt in the first place. And I am in no way playing around with forcing myself in at all. She clearly wanted sex and initiated most of it, but her resistance seemed so strong that it was almost like she was passionately rejecting me. Plus If I had pulled back once she started escalating bc the logistics weren't as good, I would've been rejecting her. Was this just a lose lose situation? And how should I get in contact with her if there's a slim chance she'll respond?
 

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She certainly didn't want her roommate to get the slightest idea that she wanted you to fuck her, but I can't see why she didn't want to go back to your car. She was extremely horny but then again you presented her with multiple options and she refused them all. Maybe in the heat of the moment she wanted you to fuck her right then and there, but then she got her mind back and called it a night.

I can't think of any way for you to contact her again. Maybe after a week you can ping her and go out with her again, but this time plan your logistics in advance by getting her to you place maybe.
 

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interesting situation.

its important for you to lead in these situations. women don't think logically when they are turned on...say "we're going to my car" then grab her hand and bring her to your car. you make the decisions! when you say "lets go to my car" and wait for her response, you bring her into the decision.

also I feel like there were other reasons besides logistics that played a factor in why she was putting up resistance. did she have to wake up early or something? does she have a boyfriend?

also why did she want to go to the club instead of going straight to her place?
 

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backstory said:
interesting situation.

its important for you to lead in these situations. women don't think logically when they are turned on...say "we're going to my car" then grab her hand and bring her to your car. you make the decisions! when you say "lets go to my car" and wait for her response, you bring her into the decision.

also I feel like there were other reasons besides logistics that played a factor in why she was putting up resistance. did she have to wake up early or something? does she have a boyfriend?

also why did she want to go to the club instead of going straight to her place?

Interesting idea about leading her straight to the car, not sure how she'd react to that though.

And I think she suggested the club for ASD reasons, but then she was like "fuck it let's go back to my place". But again it's a bit thin since she initiated the kiss before that.
 

ramirezs316

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backstory said:
interesting situation.

its important for you to lead in these situations. women don't think logically when they are turned on...say "we're going to my car" then grab her hand and bring her to your car. you make the decisions! when you say "lets go to my car" and wait for her response, you bring her into the decision.

also I feel like there were other reasons besides logistics that played a factor in why she was putting up resistance. did she have to wake up early or something? does she have a boyfriend?

also why did she want to go to the club instead of going straight to her place?

Hmm I guess making her go to the car seemed a little too forceful for me after she wanted me out and wouldn't go back in. I did get the door open and try to lead her in but she closed it. I've never had to work that hard when the girl has been that ready.

As far as I know, she works from home and didn't have to get up early. I haven't seen any evidence of a boyfriend from her facebook or instagram (online girls love adding you on these to get comfortable with you).
 
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ramirezs316

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Frost said:
backstory said:
interesting situation.

its important for you to lead in these situations. women don't think logically when they are turned on...say "we're going to my car" then grab her hand and bring her to your car. you make the decisions! when you say "lets go to my car" and wait for her response, you bring her into the decision.

also I feel like there were other reasons besides logistics that played a factor in why she was putting up resistance. did she have to wake up early or something? does she have a boyfriend?

also why did she want to go to the club instead of going straight to her place?

Interesting idea about leading her straight to the car, not sure how she'd react to that though.

And I think she suggested the club for ASD reasons, but then she was like "fuck it let's go back to my place". But again it's a bit thin since she initiated the kiss before that.

What's ASD?

So I suggested going back to her place during the date which she mulled over. When closing time at the restaurant hit, while we were figuring out where to go (I don't know the area), I suggested we stop by her place, find a club, then go from there (she lived close). I've done that before and ended up hanging out with the girl. She didn't want to go to her place yet though.
 

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ASD stands for Anti Slut Defense. It's the stuff girls do to avoid looking like sluts or seem too easy.
 

ramirezs316

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Frost said:
ASD stands for Anti Slut Defense. It's the stuff girls do to avoid looking like sluts or seem too easy.

Oh yeah. She seemed leaning on it pretty heavily, which is weird for a girl her age. Most of the older girls I've gone out with get over that stuff and are more uninhibited.

I know Chase's article on how to get a second date by inviting the girl who you failed to escalate with (though I think I did plenty to escalate) to a party a week later. I have no parties to go to currently. She has been looking at every one of my snapchat stories (again, added me to get to know me better). I was thinking of hitting up the clubs this weekend and adding it to my snap story so she might see it. Then after that, how should I message her? Just hit her up and invite her to my place to cook for her? We talked about cooking on the date.
 
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