Does This Halle Berry Tweet Prove Conflict & Drama Creates Attraction?

[PaulieFlyn10]

Hey guys...

Some hours ago on Twitter.... A guy posted a semi nude photo of Halle berry with a tweet saying "Imaging posting nudes while being 50 and in menopause instead of spending time with grand kids... people don't age into dignity anymore"

This didn't sit well with Halle and she clapped back and responded. Halle is an awarding actress with thousands of followers more than this guy who is just a random social media influencer from Africa. Her response garnered her a ton of views and the guy as well.


A red pill/pua guy then used this as an example as to why making a woman feel strong emotions is important. Whether it's hate or love. According to him they're both emotions of strong passion.

That basically women can't differentiate between positive and negative emotions and that's why they love movies were a man & woman start of fighting before turning into lovers

The guy then went on to say how Patrice O'neal (was a red pill comedian) advised men to do it:

First, walk up to a woman and say the wildest things, get her angry then at the peak of her emotions, apologize. Then tell her you didn't know how to come over, introduce yourself and start over.

Now, i have seen a similar style while reading some pdfs from nextasf/sedfast. And Jason James from luxlife pick up said sometimes he'll walk up to hot gilrs say the wildest stuff so they test him then he passes it and increases attraction.

I've also seen this work a lot with my natural friends. Though subconsciously.

So my questions are does this conflict/drama style make for a very effective strategy?
And are there situations were this wouldn't work? Or is there a better way to smoothen it out and make it better?

 

[ulrich]

This is one of the stupidest and most misguided conclusions I have seen.
I don’t know who that Patrice O’Neal guy is but he is an idiot.

Women do enjoy emotional rollercoasters.
Also, people pay significantly more attention to “weird” (or more specifically, unexpected) situations than they do to the ordinary.

I can see why it seems like it should be a productive way of making women interested but it is not.
It is basically entertainer game. And entertainers don’t get laid.

Yes, it is important to get the attention of your target… if she ignores you or finds you boring, you’re not getting anywhere.
But, at the same time, you are not going to get anywhere either if her first impression of you is that you are uncalibrated, attention seeking clown.

Well adjusted women can tell from the get go if you’re flexing for attention.
You may get laid occasionally but 90% of the time you’re going to be slotted as unadjusted, clownish or crazy.

This is good for a tactic or an opener if you know how to balance the following reaction.
As a strategy, it is unproductive and stupid.

And… as for Halle Berry… this guy may have gotten her attention (and her followers’ too)… but he, for sure, didn’t make her wet.
I guarantee that.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

This is one of the stupidest and most misguided conclusions I have seen.
I don’t know who that Patrice O’Neal guy is but he is an idiot.

Women do enjoy emotional rollercoasters.
Also, people pay significantly more attention to “weird” (or more specifically, unexpected) situations than they do to the ordinary.

I can see why it seems like it should be a productive way of making women interested but it is not.
It is basically entertainer game. And entertainers don’t get laid.

Yes, it is important to get the attention of your target… if she ignores you or finds you boring, you’re not getting anywhere.
But, at the same time, you are not going to get anywhere either if her first impression of you is that you are uncalibrated, attention seeking clown.

Well adjusted women can tell from the get go if you’re flexing for attention.
You may get laid occasionally but 90% of the time you’re going to be slotted as unadjusted, clownish or crazy.

This is good for a tactic or an opener if you know how to balance the following reaction.
As a strategy, it is unproductive and stupid.

And… as for Halle Berry… this guy may have gotten her attention (and her followers’ too)… but he, for sure, didn’t make her wet.
I guarantee that.

Yes i think the idea is that it's used at the beginning of the interaction

For example, when you first meet her... as an opener etc NOT when the interaction is alreadt gone to late early game on wards

And by strategy i meant using it as a preferred approach in most scenarios you find yourself?


The other side of things is what Jason James said he did by saying wild stuff to trigger a ton of shit tests so he can pass them, increase attraction and build from there

 

[ulrich]

Yes i think the idea is that it's used at the beginning of the interaction

For example, when you first meet her... as an opener etc NOT when the interaction is alreadt gone to late early game on wards

In all scenarios you’re probably going to have better openers/gambits to use than “saying the craziest shit”.

In any case, it can still be a nice idea to try from time just for training if done properly.
That’s the original idea behind the neg.

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And by strategy i meant using it as a preferred approach in most scenarios you find yourself?

Definitely not most scenarios.
This kind of tactic is only properly suited in two scenarios:

1) You’re in a loud, chaotic environment and need to capture her attention real hard real quick.

2) She has huge approach walls where she is rejecting you as a knee jerk reaction that comes from EGO (if she is nervous, shy, or needs to keep her reputation, it won’t work).

The other side of things is what Jason James said he did by saying wild stuff to trigger a ton of shits so he can pass them, increase attraction and build from there

That’s possible to do and it feels really good to challenge yourself but it is unproductive thinking.

“Let me make this as hardest as possible to see if I can save it”

No need to make it harder on yourself.

 

[TomInHo]

I get the idea but the execution is horrendous...

Hey guys...

Some hours ago on Twitter.... A guy posted a semi nude photo of Halle berry with a tweet saying "Imaging posting nudes while being 50 and in menopause instead of spending time with grand kids... people don't age into dignity anymore"

Think about it.. what kind of guy would say something like this?

Does this sound like a dude that slams tons of pussy, or someone that is salty because he doesn't get what he wants out of women

A lot of game is about conditioning girls how to behave around you, so why would a woman be sexual with you if she knows you will judge her based on her sexuality? It's moronic

This didn't sit well with Halle and she clapped back and responded. Halle is an awarding actress with thousands of followers more than this guy who is just a random social media influencer from Africa. Her response garnered her a ton of views and the guy as well.

Duh! Of course it didn't sit well

She is known for her beauty and sexuality and here comes some random dude trying to trying to downplay her major assets. Can't imagine how that will make her pleased

A red pill/pua guy then used this as an example as to why making a woman feel strong emotions is important. Whether it's hate or love. According to him they're both emotions of strong passion.

Lol.. a redpill guy giving an analysis on women.... just lol

Sure strong emotions are important but you don't need to make women hate your guts if you want to fuck them. Actually by you being rude to them for no reason it comes across as too try hard

That basically women can't differentiate between positive and negative emotions and that's why they love movies were a man & woman start of fighting before turning into lovers

That's not true G! People that respond well to other people treating them like shit have fucked up self esteem.

But if you give a negative to push a woman away, you'll also need a positive to pull her in. It's the alternating between emotions that gets girls addicted but you don't need to be extreme with it

It's a know fact that mixed signals are a great way to up compliance

The guy then went on to say how Patrice O'neal (was a red pill comedian) advised men to do it:

No... Patrice O'Neal did it with humor

The girls knew he was just playing around and that's what made it work for him. But even then he pissed a lot of women off and there is a reason why men love him so much but he didn't have hoards of female fans

Like seriously how many women do you know that will fuck Patrice over someone like Prince?

Men nowadays are pretty weak and seem to enjoy it when other dudes insult women or tell them exactly how it is. Don't believe me? Read the comments in that post with Halle Berry and I bet you'll see tons of dudes cheering the guy on that insulted her on, yet no women were calling him Bae or Daddy

First, walk up to a woman and say the wildest things, get her angry then at the peak of her emotions, apologize. Then tell her you didn't know how to come over, introduce yourself and start over.

How about just open her like a normal human being? Do you feel like your value is so low that you have to do something extravagant just to get her attention?

There are many ways to subcomm high value without resorting to insulting a woman

Now, i have seen a similar style while reading some pdfs from nextasf/sedfast. And Jason James from luxlife pick up said sometimes he'll walk up to hot gilrs say the wildest stuff so they test him then he passes it and increases attraction.

Yeah they test him because he's acting like an uncalibrated idiot

I bet if he came in casual and displaying other high value traits they wouldn't have even tested him in the first place

I've also seen this work a lot with my natural friends. Though subconsciously.

Yeah I used to do dumb stuff like that too. But realized over time that Iost tons of girls doing it because of coming off like a jack ass

Don't get me wrong, I still love to tease women. But it works so much better when they know you're just playing around and have no malice behind your words

So my questions are does this conflict/drama style make for a very effective strategy?

No... it's not the best strategy, but there is a PUA called A2damir that used that style. And even then I don't think he really needed it to get the results he got

And are there situations were this wouldn't work? Or is there a better way to smoothen it out and make it better?

I think it's best to avoid it all together, but if you want to add more edge into your game then you should learn more about punish/reward because that's a great way to subcomm dominance without being too try hard

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

I get the idea but the execution is horrendous...



Think about it.. what kind of guy would say something like this?

Does this sound like a dude that slams tons of pussy, or someone that is salty because he doesn't get what he wants out of women

A lot of game is about conditioning girls how to behave around you, so why would a woman be sexual with you if she knows you will judge her based on her sexuality? It's moronic



Duh! Of course it didn't sit well

She is known for her beauty and sexuality and here comes some random dude trying to trying to downplay her major assets. Can't imagine how that will make her pleased



Lol.. a redpill guy giving an analysis on women.... just lol

Sure strong emotions are important but you don't need to make women hate your guts if you want to fuck them. Actually by you being rude to them for no reason it comes across as too try hard



That's not true G! People that respond well to other people treating them like shit have fucked up self esteem.

But if you give a negative to push a woman away, you'll also need a positive to pull her in. It's the alternating between emotions that gets girls addicted but you don't need to be extreme with it

It's a know fact that mixed signals are a great way to up compliance



No... Patrice O'Neal did it with humor

The girls knew he was just playing around and that's what made it work for him. But even then he pissed a lot of women off and there is a reason why men love him so much but he didn't have hoards of female fans

Like seriously how many women do you know that will fuck Patrice over someone like Prince?

Men nowadays are pretty weak and seem to enjoy it when other dudes insult women or tell them exactly how it is. Don't believe me? Read the comments in that post with Halle Berry and I bet you'll see tons of dudes cheering the guy on that insulted her on, yet no women were calling him Bae or Daddy



How about just open her like a normal human being? Do you feel like your value is so low that you have to do something extravagant just to get her attention?

There are many ways to subcomm high value without resorting to insulting a woman



Yeah they test him because he's acting like an uncalibrated idiot

I bet if he came in casual and displaying other high value traits they wouldn't have even tested him in the first place



Yeah I used to do dumb stuff like that too. But realized over time that Iost tons of girls doing it because of coming off like a jack ass

Don't get me wrong, I still love to tease women. But it works so much better when they know you're just playing around and have no malice behind your words



No... it's not the best strategy, but there is a PUA called A2damir that used that style. And even then I don't think he really needed it to get the results he got



I think it's best to avoid it all together, but if you want to add more edge into your game then you should learn more about punish/reward because that's a great way to subcomm dominance without being too try hard and

My man... how far na

Yeah.... I'm guessing you saw the tweet too. I was a bit surprised seeing someone suggest this drama/conflict style

Always seemed very off putting especially if there wasn't some humor behind it. And even then it still felt like bad game


Yeah... the reactions from women have been terrible. And i agree with all the points you made. It's a weak style game.


I think it's A2daMIR post i read something similar on nextasf. Was trying ro remember who

 

[Chase]

The guy then went on to say how Patrice O'neal (was a red pill comedian) advised men to do it:

First, walk up to a woman and say the wildest things, get her angry then at the peak of her emotions, apologize. Then tell her you didn't know how to come over, introduce yourself and start over.

Now, i have seen a similar style while reading some pdfs from nextasf/sedfast. And Jason James from luxlife pick up said sometimes he'll walk up to hot gilrs say the wildest stuff so they test him then he passes it and increases attraction.

I've also seen this work a lot with my natural friends. Though subconsciously.

So my questions are does this conflict/drama style make for a very effective strategy?
And are there situations were this wouldn't work? Or is there a better way to smoothen it out and make it better?

I talked about this method of hooking girls in here:

Tactics Tuesdays: A2daMIR-Style Banter and Frame Control

Natural and nightclub bouncer, A2daMIR wielded a unique and masterful approach to seduction... Focused on turning the tables on girls. One of the all-time best posters on the now-defunct mASF seduction forum was a guy named A2daMIR. A2daMIR was a Boston-based nightclub bouncer who routinely...

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I've never seen or heard of a pickup guy do it intentionally. Only naturals. It's just too high risk, too chaotic... most PUAs seek to develop consistent, repeatable approaches. Naturals tend to be going on gut instinct and will do things like this and be able to (sometimes) pull them off.

I asked A2daMIR about this after seeing it in multiple of his reports and he said he did not intentionally try to piss girls off. However, if he approached a girl and she was rude, he would then say something to really get under her skin -- more of an ego thing for him than a seduction thing... though I suspect he felt that was his best odds with her at that point, with her being bitchy... then, once he was under her skin, some of the time he could flip that back in his favor.

You're basically putting a girl into auto-rejection, then pulling her back out of it.

It's explosive when it works, but high risk, and you'd better know what you're doing:

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A girl who’s in auto-rejection gets cold and snubs you. To turn it around and effect a recovery, you must use this 4-step formula. This is a firefighting post. I say that because if you do things right you won’t have to fix anything. But we all make mistakes. On my article about screening girls...

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Chase

 

[Rakehell]

Stuff like this (pissing a girl off intentionally), works well when shes already invested in you. You’ve already fucked, she’s told her people about you etc.

It works especially well when its unexpected, and under most accounts everything was well otherwise in you guy’s dynamic.

It's explosive when it works, but high risk, and you'd better know what you're doing:

And like this here, usually it’s something they stew on and you bring them out of and they love you all the more.

But at the same time it’s pretty dark to do and harmful to their mental health in the long term. Not something i’d encourage.

It’s something i’ve done unintentionally and it leads to a more anxious attachment style dynamic where they’re more insecure about themselves, and really vying for your approval. It can really break an otherwise healthy person down. Not cool to do.

edit: I wouldn’t say drama creates attraction, but depending on the weight of the negative emotions, it’s like that weight gets transferred to the positive if u get them to feel the positive, at the cost of sanity in the long term

happy 0, upset 10 > happy 20 upset 0

then it keeps compounding. the more they like you the deeper you can piss them off, the deeper you piss them off, the more they come to like you, the deeper you can piss them off

 

[POB]

"Imaging posting nudes while being 50 and in menopause instead of spending time with grand kids..."

"...now praise the lord we have Halle Berry to teach those grannies how to do it in 2023!"

Then I would DM every hot MILF who commented on my post

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

So my questions are does this conflict/drama style make for a very effective strategy?

In this specific instance, where the blogger is literally saying something hurtful - broadcasted to thousands - not in real time with Halle Berry in front of him -

1) On a one-to-one basis, you will screen girls in that respond to this sort of behavior, and screen girls out that don't like it. A real popular online dating site opener was

"I gotta ask, this profile seems like it was written by a man"

2) As a "group" strategy - same thing applies - screen in some/screen out most, but in a large enough population, you get to be the bad guy, the anti-hero, and champion of the trolls.

Like women with super long list of requirements/horrible attitude/documented bad acts - if she's attractive enough and has enough eyeballs on her - she can still generate more interest than she can handle.

The Patrice O'Neal, "You look like your breath stank" opener... - THAT'S NOT THIS SITUATION at all.
That's a real time, calibrating as necessary, in-person approach.

With Patrice O'Neal - Listen to the opener in context

To run that short of "shock opener" (word to Brad P), you need a great delivery and entirely rock solid frame. It's not a freshman opener.

 

[Skills]

I talked about this method of hooking girls in here:

Tactics Tuesdays: A2daMIR-Style Banter and Frame Control

Natural and nightclub bouncer, A2daMIR wielded a unique and masterful approach to seduction... Focused on turning the tables on girls. One of the all-time best posters on the now-defunct mASF seduction forum was a guy named A2daMIR. A2daMIR was a Boston-based nightclub bouncer who routinely...

www.girlschase.com

I've never seen or heard of a pickup guy do it intentionally. Only naturals. It's just too high risk, too chaotic... most PUAs seek to develop consistent, repeatable approaches. Naturals tend to be going on gut instinct and will do things like this and be able to (sometimes) pull them off.

I asked A2daMIR about this after seeing it in multiple of his reports and he said he did not intentionally try to piss girls off. However, if he approached a girl and she was rude, he would then say something to really get under her skin -- more of an ego thing for him than a seduction thing... though I suspect he felt that was his best odds with her at that point, with her being bitchy... then, once he was under her skin, some of the time he could flip that back in his favor.

You're basically putting a girl into auto-rejection, then pulling her back out of it.

It's explosive when it works, but high risk, and you'd better know what you're doing:

Tactics Tuesdays: How to Turn Around a Girl in Auto-Rejection

A girl who’s in auto-rejection gets cold and snubs you. To turn it around and effect a recovery, you must use this 4-step formula. This is a firefighting post. I say that because if you do things right you won’t have to fix anything. But we all make mistakes. On my article about screening girls...

www.girlschase.com

Chase

yes i had a wing name cash do this type of style, in the pick up community julian rsd used to experiment with this...

is just to get reactions, getting emotions from women and a bit of drama/conflict is the concept since you are generating emotions, but is a very hit and miss style, i seen it work a lot surprisingly but yeah meanly naturals... I personally hated when my wing cash did it... The other dude that used to do similar style was tucker max.... I have also done similar but as adamir is saying is just not a method is not done intentional... is not to be used as a technique though i do teach fake angry though you need to have experience and calibrate, i like to combine with humor too... I have also seen a lot of red pillers has been used stuff like this to get into massive frame battles to the extreme (and yes every once in while works, but is not necessary and many times they do it for no reason as a technique and calculated and totally turn many women off, tate does this)...

This report you can see many naturals and my wing cash doing similar

 

[Warped Mindless]

Pro tip: stop taking “game” advice from redpill guys.

While the redpill community teaches some good things, they also teach a lot of derpy shit too. Nice thing is, all the good stuff they teach can be found here without the derp attached.