Drck is Banned

[Chase]

This is probably the most unhappy I have been about a banning. I think Drck's heart was in the right place and he did want to help guys.

As good as "just be yourself"-esque advice may be at its kernel, it is not useful for men who have heard it their whole lives but are still confused and still not getting results. If you then pick fights with guys trying to give those guys advice that is more targeted for the level they are, and make digs at senior members, it does not make for a terribly constructive environment.

Chase

 

[Big Daddy]

This is probably the most unhappy I have been about a banning. I think Drck's heart was in the right place and he did want to help guys.

I see where you come from but I can't say I'm surprised with this. It had been a while since I actually read a post of his because of the reasons you outlined here, so I agree with this decision.

Banning members that don't contribute was the best thing that ever happened to this forum, specially the likes of Andersen09, whose posts I could only shake my head to.

 

[Regal Tiger]

I feel pretty similar, I feel like he did want to help people but he has some of his own toxic mentalities to work through. He replied on one of my posts about things that, while true, were only a partial truth. Though it did help to enlighten me on some of my own bad mentalities as I found myself agreeing with him a little too much on a few things.

If Drck finds this I hope ya find some peace

 

[Seppuku]

And I'm a little surprised.

He approached seduction from a different angle. "Work on yourself. Increase your fundamentals. Work on your masculinity. Boost your value by becoming a better man. Then girls will come naturally." Yes, you can argue that there is some sort of passivity involved (i.e. "you don't have to do anything about girls, they'll come on their own once you improved yourself") and it defeats the purpose of pickup techniques (which he disliked as not genuine). But at the core, this is not a wrong advice per se: work on yourself, increase your fundamentals, work on your masculinity and boost up your value, it can only help!

For what I saw, he was not interested in picking up fights. He was regularly challenged on his opinions and views, and did vigorously defend himself, yes, but never actively sought to fight other guys... At least for what I saw in the last year.

Overall, he genuinely wanted to help. It is not like there are tons of more senior people here and willing to help. Overall, in a healthy discussion, there should be room for diversity.

Seppuku

 

[push_pass]

I didn't see any of Deck's posts in the past week. But I do think he touched upon some truths in the conversation with Hector.

1) I agree Hector's face is pretty feminine looking even discounting the long hair. It's not feminine as in womanly- just soft, like an untouched roundish soft like a university boy's. Not dissing, just saying for how I see it.

2) I also believe, like Drck, that there is much more to life and being a MAN! than shoving hard lover cock in daughters. Look, why did DrexelScott quit the seduction community? He realized that chasing pussy and sticking his twig into holes felt empty to him, a void, that he chased pussy as a way to gain validation,instead of looking to himself for validation. I can't find the video from 2016, it seems he's deleted his entire channel.

I love GirlsChase. I love Hector and Chase, they are masters to me and gave me a chance where there was none. Chase has made a man of me. But Drck is right, when he was talking about how he went to a new country with 0 language and 0 money in his pocket: he means to say that there is a great suffering in this world, in each person... look how hard people have to struggle to survive? 8 hours a day murdered working in what? Sorting mail in post offices? Stocking freezer shelves in grocery stores? mopping floors? getting your soul torn to bits by your university to free up more space for a correct societal mind? How many people are born without a chance, no wealth or opportunity for education? How many broken dreams and broken shoelaces? That's what Drck means, and Hector just dismisses that as baby boomer shit and goes back to fucking the chicks?

Drck said that sex is a totally natural thing and look at the 7 billion humans that have been produced by human reproduction. Sex isn't natural for many of us, that's why we're here reading these GC articles. But on some level Drck is right about it being natural- sex is just sex; when you fuck you're just following the blueprint. Just following biology. Nature's idea. Shit, Hector you haven't seen or considered these things enough and maybe that's why your face is soft.

I don't mean that completely. Hector has clearly been around the world, and is sympathetic and kind and extremely knowledgable. An amazing sense of the human psyche. I don't know what my intention is with this comment. Waste my time and yours. I don't know anything. I'm just a lousy bookreading undergraduate in San Diego. Today's my 21st birthday. I'm still a virgin. My words count for nothing here.

 

[lostnumber]

I didn't mind having drck around as a contrarian opinion, but I never really understood why he was on here given how strongly he disagreed with most of the principals of the community. He presented his points well, but his posts for a bit repetitive for me since his advice on every thread was essentially "be yourself and lift weights"

I can see arguments on both sides here. It wouldn't have bothered me to keep him around, but I don't think he was a good fit for the community ultimately. It's sort of like, at what point does the disruption of having someone with polar opposite views from the community outweigh the benefits of having diverse thoughts and opinions?

If I went on the Catholic discussion forums as an atheist and started posting about my religious beliefs, I might be able to have one or two very interesting discussions with good back and forth.Those discussions would have value for the community and present a different viewpoint. But then if for the next 6 months, I kept going into threads and saying God is a lie... At a certain point we are rehashing the same debate over and over again, and it's really not of value to anyone.

The thing that really got to me the most was the keyboard warrior nature of some of the stuff he'd say. If you are going to be contrarian and act like you have all the answers then you should be able to back that up with results, and he never could. When someone comes on here and posts about how wearing their pants on their head is the key to pickup success, or some other theory that opposes the conventional wisdom, then they better damn well have some pants-on-head stories to share.

 

[mindful]

I always liked Drck... he has been one of the most unique members of these forums for as long as I've been around. I agree some of his posts of late have been a little over-the-top or just trailing off in ways that are not beneficial for the people he is trying to help but overall he did know what he was talking about.

 

[Franco]

Gentlemen,

Personally, I did not have too many problems myself with Drck, and he had a lot of reasonable advice. A lot of what Chase recommends as "fundamentals" is essentially what Drck preached (repeatedly... many, many times) all over the boards. And there's nothing wrong with that -- Chase has mentioned many times that guys should really focus and hammer down on fundamentals first and foremost because it'll have the most drastic effect on female attraction for you with minimal effort. Increasing your fundamentals can increase your passive value tenfold if done correctly.

I think where we had to draw the line with Drck was when he started claiming that the senior members here don't get "it" when it comes to seduction. That's not respecting the hierarchy of the boards here, and it's not respecting the guys that Chase and I have personally vetted to know their stuff.

Any guy who has reached Rank 4 on these boards has been discussed by Chase and I in-depth at some point, and we've both arrived at a mutual conclusion that this individual has a strong grasp of seduction, women, relationships, and possibly even more than that. The Rank 4 guys are also the ones who come onto these boards simply to help the newer, green guys get past their own struggles because many of the Rank 4 members were there at one point. They get little self-benefit from providing their input, and they simply do it out of the kindness of their own hearts.

We obviously allow contrarian opinions on here, and that's totally fine. But when you start trying to take small jabs at our senior members and position yourself as an authority on the boards (when Chase and I haven't recognized you as that type of authority), then you risk confusing newer members about the Ranks and the validity of the people wearing those Ranks. At that point, if you feel like you can't trust the Rank 4 members, then why would they even want to continue helping people? I surely wouldn't want to spend time helping people on a forum if some other guy (who obviously has less knowledge than myself) kept butting in on all of my posts attempting to say that "I don't quite get it." That's frustrating because my goal isn't to win an argument -- it's to help members with struggles that I recognize and have possibly been through myself.

Anyway, I think we just wanted to avoid a situation where our Rank 4 members -- some of whom I've become friends with in real life and have witnessed their success first-hand -- come to me asking, "why should I even keep posting if we are allowing contrarians to overrule the authority here? My time is wasted typing up these large, helpful posts only to have someone with less experience say that 'I don't quite get it' when I really do get it."

As lostnumber mentioned, I think Drck wanted to help. And I think there's a place for Drck on another forum. Maybe Drck's enlightenment journey has grown on to a path that leads outside of the realm of GC boards, and he'll make a fine fit on Red Pill, Roosh, Return of Kings, or Good Looking Loser. But as of now, all he was doing was frustrating the senior members; they aren't here to debate Drck -- they're here to help guys who want to learn from them.

I hope this clears things up a bit. No hard feelings to Drck, but we gave Drck a warning about this already too, and it didn't really seem to be improving. So hopefully he finds a better fit for himself elsewhere.

- Franco

 

[Bboy100]

Yeah. I remember when I was newer to the boards a few years back, Drck had some very very solid posts. I was always excited when he gave me feedback cause I knew it would bring something to the table which I had not already thought of. And if I go back and read them, I would still say they're very insightful, even today. But something happened at some point. Idk if something happened in his personal life which changed his view on women or what...but at one point, we saw a dramatic shift. His posts instantly became toxic. It's kinda sad to see this happen to a guy who I think at his core, is a genuinely good dude. Just got stirred down the wrong path :/

 

[Eternity]

Drck was all right just confused and/or frustrated with his newfound knowledge of the red pill, which he saw as the ultimate peak in a mans journey in becoming whole. Hence his over zealous preaching of its principles and benefits. I once gave him insight into a one itis situation of his, as he was obsessed as to why the girl in hand played him and rejected his advances. I think not long after he found Roosh's teachings which colored his views of pick up indefinitely. I personally am not a fan of Roosh but know where he is coming from POV wise. Drck wasn't raised in a red pill environment (according to him), thus was blinded and awed by its message and teachings (I was), therefore I'm immune to it's grandeur. Either way its a shame, hopefully he'll find what he was looking for....

 

[Tim Iron]

... sometimes people miss the point of the whole thing... we all have different dating strategies, just do what gives you results and advice based on your own experience instead of asserting that your point of view is the best or the superior one.

 

[Ree]

hm...confused...i think his emphasis on fundamentals was good advice....personally i struggle to find a perfect line between game and fundamentals....a lot of my seducer friends never get any high quality girls because of their emphasis on game over fundamentals...but i think he went too far on that extreme........anyway sad to see him go...