E book vs. newbie task ;My situation

[disciple99]

hey seduction guru's
I am a beginner and want to be a lady killer
thanks for debunking my myths about girls now I understand girls are sexual creature and like sex and what is game.
I have started going out and bought e book I am a bit confused what should I follow homework given in book or newbie task.
from 2 weeks I am working on mine fundamentals like posture and fashion not yet takel voice and started improving on eye contact a little so my question is should I go with book or newbie task
2 I am in a highschool and there is a cute girl who is I think is interested in me. I had my first hunch when she started looking at me in very subtle way sometimes during class. I got mine conformation when my pal who is also friends with her told me out of knowhere that I should look at her and there is a x girl who I think is cute is no where as good as her.
I want to ask how I proceed with her additional Info
1 I have not maked eye contact with her but also not come infront of her as needy means I am not chasing her
2 I had about six months of class and about 1-2 month of she being attracted to me me noticing her attraction about 2-3 months are left to end of class.
3 she is a singer with very good voice.
4 class is having about 75 students.
I want to know how to open to her I am thinking about opening with class related topic after making an eye contact with her.
I am about to send her in what I think will be a hard cold rejection by being aloof she even wore some reveling sexy clothes and at me about 20 sec that I will make an eye contact with her which I don't .
3 and I have already send a girl in auto rejection unknowningly she is in 9th grade who use to look at me with sexy smile with her I had a conversation like this
me: are you in 10th grade (seeing her I was looking for a teacher she was there with her Friend i called her and asked)
she: no I am in 9th grade.
me: oh!(by the way I am in 12th grade)
she than gone away from there before I could ask her for teacher
now I see her and give her a warm smile and she ignore me and makes faces or act aloof
my theory here is she thinks that I thinks that she is too Young for me
how do I reverse this
thanks in advance
yours
disciple 99

 

[ray_zorse]

Just talk to this girl. You can start by gathering some basic information like, what subjects does she do, which subject/teacher does she like best, has she been at the school since yr7, what did she do before that, does she like the school, has she made friends here, has she decided on a career yet, what will she take in yr11/12, is she planning to go to uni or technical college or what, what courses will she be applying for, what does she do outside of school...

Well those are just general things you can ask anyone, but in this case I'd also ask about her singing career, how did she get into singing, how long has she been doing it for, why does she enjoy singing, does she take extra classes in school or outside school, what's her favourite piece, what's she learning at the moment, where will she take it... etc I'm just going off the top of my head here, but the point is with some conversational practice you can generate endless amounts of stuff to talk about.

The focus here is on getting information about her... the more of "HER" she shares, the more she'll feel connected to you. Keep the conversation about her, her hopes and dreams, ambitions, how she sees herself, etc...

Based on the other conversation you posted it appears you're suffering from a bit of shyness and being in your head/awkward, this goes away with practice, but you also will develop some well-worn conversational strategies that you can follow without really thinking. So that gives you more confidence. Like for instance I'm not used to talking with hot fashion models and I felt a bit nervous in this report but I just did what I had practiced and it went just fine.

In answer to your question I suggest the newbie assignment since it's based on the ebook exercises but slightly more up-to-date/field tested. Go for it my bro. Ideally you'd get some conversation practice in (not just by doing the newbie assignment but also talking to everyone you meet, teachers, gas station attendants, baristas, shop sales girls, etc) before approaching the girl you asked about, but you don't have the luxury of time, so I suggest you just go talk to this girl next time you see her.

Worst case you fail but hey, who cares, at least you can then stop worrying about her and concentrate on improving yourself through the newbie assignment etc. There are literally millions of girls out there. You don't even know for sure that this girl is into you... but talk to her and find out. If she's really into you, she'll give you a lot of chances, so don't worry too much. Just relax and make the conversation about her and you'll be totally okay.

Ray

 

[disciple99]

Re: My situation : in my head

hey ray thanks for quickl reply bro
you understand my problem of being awkward / in my head right but I am going to tell you about my background more when I transferred to new school in 6th grade I became an introvert with no friends in 7th and 8th grade made a best friend but that was all I have. I became emotionally weak and crying very much easily.
I got another Major blow to my reputation once a bully teased me in front of class and I cried very much but couldn't even get physical fight with him
with puberty hitting I founded my self watching/reading porn living in fantasy and wanking only even to sleep I have to wank this made my condition week but I use fake at like showing my mum dad doing homework but wanking at night.
I was a big hypocrite I use to act like nice guy & tell watching porn is wrong but use to watch at home . I had issue of low self esteem . thought women does not like sex they want something in return.
somehow have life of loser till 10th grade.
but in 11th grade I had enough of BS of bully's and started trying to be extrovert
joined computer classes with 5-6 peoples there was a girl who was very social with everyone who I thought was hitting on me but not actually and there was another cute girl I like and because of first girl I got some confidence I started telling cute poetry & flirting with her in aggressive way but in class only outside class I was plain me . nothing happens
b/w us though she liked me but still notching cause I couldn't express my fellings but controlled on wanking habit it does not vanish but controlled.
And the Singer she transferred in mine school in 11th grade but she doesn't know me till 12th grade.
in starting of 12th grade summer vacation I vow to myself I will change this whole situation I was Googling when I stumbled across GC.
When started reading GC I found myself how wrong I was and started improving mine fundamentals this is how it is.
***hey I wanted to know how do I beat this awkward/in my head feeling and make eye contacts with her.
what should I do with 3rd case the 9th grade girl.
and 1 more thing there is a class I attend which is having a real beauty who is my teacher 25 yes old. we are 4 students in class and I have better looks than them. I come across as dominant person in front of teacher but messed up a bit not much. I am 17 & she is 25 so I dont think anything can happen b/w us but if there is some Chance to have anything with her tell me I have once created us vs them situation with her.
thanks
yours
disciple 99

 

[ray_zorse]

Dude there's nothing wrong with you, most of the guys here could tell a similar story. There's also nothing wrong with masturbating, in fact I masturbated yesterday and today and loved it. Normally I hardly ever masturbate, and if I do I only do it early in the week so that I still have plenty of juice when my girlfriend comes over on the weekend. But since I just broke up with her (or at least she's upset and not calling me), it was kind of nice to go all-out for a few days. I have not yet got fully back into approaching because it's a time of transition for me, but when I do I'll basically cut out the masturbation because it makes me more sexually aggressive if I haven't dropped a load in a while (and if I've been to the gym a lot). Having said all that, lose the porn, it's not doing you any good. Read this site to find out why. I had a porn addiction on and off for 15yrs or so, it was worse while I was married and for the year immediately prior to my discovering girlschase. I quit porn for a year and got approaching girls and it did wonders for me. I recently relapsed, I was having a very bad day and was feeling very lonely and self-destructive so I watched a porn video that I used to like. A week or two later I showed my girlfriend a porn video that is arty (she had been hassling me because she wanted to try porn), but she wasn't keen. Fortunately, I didn't scan the Internet for new bodies, so it did minimal damage in terms of repeated dopamine hits, and I've stopped watching porn again since then. I just never want to go back to watching porn regularly, or at all.

Anyway, quit crying and go talk to your girl, I already gave you good advice and nothing is to be gained from repeating it. As to your teacher she's out of reach for you at your current seduction level, but if you want to do something then practice your conversation with her. Get her sharing about herself as I described above.

Ray

 

[disciple99]

thanks Ray/ investment opener

Thanks brother Ray
you have shown me the path and I Will walk on it tomorrow I am gonna ask her about classwork relevant and gonna deep dive and leave on high note after this there will be a break of 5-6 days if classes and next time I see her I could easily say hi to her & ask what she done in break.
hey I also read your journal in which you mention using investment opener
I searched board & there is nothing about it , so could you write a guide on it if not a quick dirty info will be fine if its okay with you IMO looks and fundamental will matter here.
Thanks
And I am also going to ask 9th grader are you single it will be fun & after all we are all doing it for fun.
And I am going to start writing a journal so see how much I gain.
thanks
yours
disciple 99

 

[ray_zorse]

I must say asking her about the homework sounds a bit boring, just the usual smalltalk stuff that people say when they don't know what to say, and also tends to put you in "study buddy" zone which you do not want (for example if you invite her on a study date and have not otherwise expressed attraction then she won't be expecting you to make a move and will likely reject your escalation). I suppose it's acceptable as a conversation starter, but a compliment is more powerful.

So why not ask her to meet you in the 5 day break, or at least check logistics (where will she be, what are her plans etc). If you get to a high point (by asking her about HERSELF, her hopes and dreams etc, as I outlined in my first post, and getting her enthusiastically sharing), then do not waste it -- set up a date or at the very least grab her number. I must say that in the high school situation the number grab is VITALLY IMPORTANT, I would say essential, to do AS SOON AS AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF, because although you attend the same school, discreet conversation is virtually impossible due to presence of friends, orbiters etc. You must not invite her out in front of other people and if other people are present during the number grab (an undesirable situation) use some plausible excuse such as study date/homework.

Ray

 

[disciple99]

small step of me big leap for lifer/ messed up slightly

hey I finally gathered the courage to talk to girl from about 1 lecture she was looking slyly at my side to make eye contact but I was acting aloof but not by choice I was crippling inside from fear,approach anxiety and waited lecture to end as there were so many Guys and after lecture I see her controlling her emotions she wanted to cry right there but she tried to laugh her female friend controlled her.
emotions in me also flow hard I wanted to run away but my heart will not let me but good thing happen by gods grace class got empty from 75 people class became me mine creepy friend and about 15 gals I was also going to go home but gave a shot mine and her condition was not like we could talk but I asked her for her notebook initially she was bit cold and neutral but became warm later
convo. was like this
me: hey H do you have complete notes
she: yep(cold)
me: can you give me your notebook
she: sure (bit warm with smile)
me: thanks (started writing notes looking at her from mine side vision[can't get spelling of word with P] she was look at me then at teacher very rapidly then I thought of a plan that I should take her notebook and give her tomorrow in morning classes where I could isolate her and make connection with her so I said
me: hey would you mind if I return your notebook in tomorrow morning classes
she: we will not attend morning classes(said in week voice looking at her best friend) but you can return it in evening classes.
me: Nope I may not come in evening classes
she: (looking at friend a bit confused & asking her)
me: come on half hour will not hurt
she: smiling uhhuh
me: there is function in morning classes
she: looked at her friend and asked a fat bitch whom I offenced in morning
she: you can return it in evening
me: here you go (I gave my pal notes to write notes in my notebook during convo.)
me: thank you
she: thank you
me: why did you said thank you( said in playful & very sarcastic tone)
me: exit
mine Ques. are
1 there is last evening class tomorrow how can I show her I am romantically interested in her I cannot isolate her & maybe her friends are gonna cockblock me
2 what should be mine post 5day break game
3 I have a problem in that evening class I feel weak lose my energy but before class and after lecture it is there have problem in making sexy eye contact from girls outside class but can't in class what to do
4 sorry cannot spell phirpel vision correcty

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Ray,

Sorry to hear about the girlfriend. Get back out and approach. It will lift your confidence and spirits.

Disciple,

Welcome to Girls Chase. You remind me of the young martial artists student. There are many instructors here to lead you on your journey. Society teaches us a lot of BS about man/woman relationships. When you start to implement what you learn here you will see the true is different and liberating. Ray isa giving you excellent advice as he always does. I will just add one thing. Don't mess with the teacher too much. You only have a little reputation to lose. She has reputation, job and legal ramifications. Think with your brain and not your dick, at least until you are out of high school, when it comes to older women. I am not saying stay away from older women but wait until you are of legal age. Her potential loss is high messing with a minor. Good luck with your journey.

SGent

 

[disciple99]

opportunity

thanks Ray
for great advice opportunity had presented itself my dad given me permit to go mall tomorrow before evening class
gonna approach there.
there are no places around mine house to practice game (I live in fu*** suburbs there are no girls just like jungle)
And SGent yes I am not gonna mess with teacher reading some pick-up stories made me little hyper but little flirting will be fine with her. she have very exotic and sexy eyes but she is very good-natured and hardworking and don't wanna mess with her & her life
Ray had already told me to practice conversation with her only.
Ray also sorry for being a value sucker jerk and goodluck for approaches.
yours
disciple 99

 

[ray_zorse]

No problem brother, but please don't denigrate yourself. You're not a value sucker jerk just a dude seeking advice on a matter he wants to gain experience with. I'm happy to help, I do it b/c I enjoy doing so. Mate a key to becoming a high value man is to BELIEVE you are high value. Ruthlessly replace thoughts like that with positive thoughts. If these poor mental habits are so deeply ingrained that it takes time to turn them around, then at least at the external level (in your interactions with people, board posts etc) stay positive and act like a high value man. A high value man can be humble, honest about where he needs to improve, vulnerable... especially in situations where he wants help or mentoring... but must express these things in a high value way. Think of yourself as a diamond in the rough. BTW, as to your interaction I give you 5/10 for having the balls to talk to her and 2/10 for asking for compliance. So overall 7/10, good going man. To do better you could have (a) expressed a personal interest in her such as asking her what she thought of XXX (b) framed it in a way that you were adding value e.g. offering your notes instead of taking hers, (c) told her you will text her when you finished with the notes and grabbed her no (see what I said in last text about number grab in presence of friends or orbiters, use an innocent excuse).
Ray

 

[disciple99]

hey today she sat way away from me WTF did I send her in auto rejection is she cold she came after I came and there was an open seat