Easiest and fastest way to get lays

[Sub-Zero]

Hey guys, i want to get more lays under my belt. I don't want the hooker or porostitue answer. I want to know what was easy for you guys to get laid quickly and a lot. Like where do you go and have the most success? What's the easiest and fastest way you guys got your lays?

I mostly have social circle lays, which are still difficult, and i can't get cold approach lays for shit, whether that be night, day, or club game. I can't even get a date yet. I would really like advice on how to make this easier and get some success the fastest way i can.

Thanks

 

[Mr.Rob]

I would really like advice on how to make this easier and get some success the fastest way i can.

You too huh?

My advice is don't look for the easy route. Fuck easy. There's no growth in the easy route. Instead look for the hard, painful route. The hard route will build virtue and character. The hard route will turn you into the strongest version of yourself.
Getting laid isn't going to make you happy. It'll be a brief ephemeral emotion. I've found in my life I gain the most pleasure and happiness from being the person I admire/aspire to be. When I move towards that, go through pain necessary to become that man. That is where genuine joy and treasure resides. Getting laid is the icing on the cake baby.

Now if you want some practical advice I'd say approach a FUCK TON of girls, everyday if you can, work on your fundamentals. Work on your VIBE especially. Work on getting some little successes under your belt (instant dates, number closes, day 2 from a number, kiss a girl, hold a girls hand... whatever is better than what your currently getting) and be excited when they happen.

It took me 11 months of cold approaching before I got laid the first time. It felt like a long ass time to meet 100's of girls and have nothing come out of it but I kept making little progress. I was happy with every little progress I made. And eventually I got laid and it was fucking awesome as shit because I earned it.
If I would've got laid after the first month of cold approaching I would have taken it for granted and I wouldn't enjoy/respect the process of seduction as much as I do.
In all honesty 11 months isn't even that long. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Easiest way to get more lays = Fucking work hard
Or you could fuck a fat girl with low self esteem that crave attention from a man of more value than her... joking! but it is an option

Good luck my friend!
=)

-Rob

 

[ray_zorse]

It's a pretty general question

I didn't think I had much to add to what Mr.Rob said, which as usual is golden.

But then I noticed your other thread about nice-guyism, well your first goal could be to stamp that out.

I'm still struggling with it, it's a sticking point in my game. You'll level up much quicker as an asshole.

cheers, Ray

 

[Mr.Rob]

You'll level up much quicker as an asshole.

Lol yup.

If you want some assholish examples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFTR9jNkeCg
Notice the subtext/vibe of his conversation rather than whats actually being said.
Some of the shit he says is pretty rude and obnoxious (calling a girl a slut and dog to her face somewhere around the 3-4 min. mark I think) but the girl thinks it's funny and likes him.
Assholes are self amusing they say stuff to make themselves laugh not to make the girl like them.
Also it displays non neediness.

Also in a lot of these clips he's pretty much saying normal convo (hey hows it going; where are you from as a nice guy would but if you watch closely you can tell there's no way in hell the girl would possibly put him in that category.

He is communicating/relating as a MAN to a WOMAN instead of a FRIEND to a FRIEND or even worse as some guys do a WOMAN to a WOMAN.
This could be debated but to me I think it's one of the biggest distinguishing factors between a nice guy and a guy that gets laid.
I would haphazard this is probably your Niceguy issue as this was also my biggest challenge of breaking out of my niceguy shell.
When you communicate as a man to a woman (a dick to a vagina) she knows your bout fucking. She'll either flee or love you all the more, both responses are good.

I know random tangent but Ray_Zorse got me thinking so here we go.

Put yourself in the girls shoes. Would she rather be hit on by a guy that's kind of cool, doesn't really stray from the "rules", and has pleasant convo. Oooorrrrr would she rather be hit on by a guy who's saying obnoxious shit as a joke that gives her a big spike in negative/positive ways all within a few minutes, saying shit that should offend her but she can tell he's not serious and it's all part of the "performance".

You don't have to go that hardcore but you get my drift.

Sorry for the tangent but perhaps that might even help you with your other nice guy post from earlier.

-Rob

 

[Sub-Zero]

I would really like advice on how to make this easier and get some success the fastest way i can.

You too huh?

My advice is don't look for the easy route. Fuck easy. There's no growth in the easy route. Instead look for the hard, painful route. The hard route will build virtue and character. The hard route will turn you into the strongest version of yourself.
Getting laid isn't going to make you happy. It'll be a brief ephemeral emotion. I've found in my life I gain the most pleasure and happiness from being the person I admire/aspire to be. When I move towards that, go through pain necessary to become that man. That is where genuine joy and treasure resides. Getting laid is the icing on the cake baby.

Now if you want some practical advice I'd say approach a FUCK TON of girls, everyday if you can, work on your fundamentals. Work on your VIBE especially. Work on getting some little successes under your belt (instant dates, number closes, day 2 from a number, kiss a girl, hold a girls hand... whatever is better than what your currently getting) and be excited when they happen.

It took me 11 months of cold approaching before I got laid the first time. It felt like a long ass time to meet 100's of girls and have nothing come out of it but I kept making little progress. I was happy with every little progress I made. And eventually I got laid and it was fucking awesome as shit because I earned it.
If I would've got laid after the first month of cold approaching I would have taken it for granted and I wouldn't enjoy/respect the process of seduction as much as I do.
In all honesty 11 months isn't even that long. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Easiest way to get more lays = Fucking work hard
Or you could fuck a fat girl with low self esteem that crave attention from a man of more value than her... joking! but it is an option

Good luck my friend!
=)

-Rob

Thing is all of this is hard for me lol. There is no easy route to find unfortunately. I've been cold approaching for a few years. Not a lot, but at least once a week, and i didn't get a lay off that. For some reason shit stays the same. Thanks man.

 

[Franco]

Money,

Thing is all of this is hard for me lol. There is no easy route to find unfortunately. I've been cold approaching for a few years. Not a lot, but at least once a week, and i didn't get a lay off that. For some reason shit stays the same. Thanks man.

If by once a week you mean "one girl" a week, then that's pretty much nothing at all. If you took about 4-5 hours out of that day each week to approach 10 or more women, that's at least more reasonable. Your results are directly proportional to the amount of effort you put in. If you approach 100 girls in a month, then your chances of having at LEAST one lay out of those is much greater. If you're only approaching 10 girls a month, then it's a lot less likely you're making progress fast enough (or approaching enough women) to see any drastic changes.

Gotta put in the effort to get the results!

- Franco

 

[Sub-Zero]

Money,

Thing is all of this is hard for me lol. There is no easy route to find unfortunately. I've been cold approaching for a few years. Not a lot, but at least once a week, and i didn't get a lay off that. For some reason shit stays the same. Thanks man.

If by once a week you mean "one girl" a week, then that's pretty much nothing at all. If you took about 4-5 hours out of that day each week to approach 10 or more women, that's at least more reasonable. Your results are directly proportional to the amount of effort you put in. If you approach 100 girls in a month, then your chances of having at LEAST one lay out of those is much greater. If you're only approaching 10 girls a month, then it's a lot less likely you're making progress fast enough (or approaching enough women) to see any drastic changes.

Gotta put in the effort to get the results!

- Franco

Yeah i meant i approach some girls one day a week, not just one girl lol. I mean it might not be a lot, but when you think about it it could be one girl a week i approach for two years. That would be 104 girls and i did not get one date nor lay from them. Sounds shitty right?

 

[Franco]

Money,

Yeah i meant i approach some girls one day a week, not just one girl lol. I mean it might not be a lot, but when you think about it it could be one girl a week i approach for two years. That would be 104 girls and i did not get one date nor lay from them. Sounds shitty right?

Nah, even that would make sense to me. If you're approaching only 1 girl a day, you're never giving yourself a chance to gain social momentum and really start having successful interactions with women. As a matter of fact, you'd be better off approaching 20 women in one night and then not approach again for an entire month than you would approaching 30 girls in a month, but only once per day.

Any good seducer recognizes the value of social momentum, and the more you can build up over the course of a hunting session, the more your chances increase of taking a girl home that night. So it's important that, when you DO go out to meet women, you do it for an extended period of time so that you can get yourself in a better state so that each interaction builds off the last one.

Of course, when you get experienced enough, you don't need quite as much momentum to really have a successful interaction. But while you're still learning, it's probably one of the most important things you can do.

- Franco

 

[ray_zorse]

The other thing you have to do is analyze your interactions and look for sticking points in your game. Because there's no point going out and approaching tons of girls and getting unstuck at the same point every time. (Well you might strike it lucky of course but you need to work smart as well as work hard).

As an example I have the following sticking points among others:
- Being too enthusiastic - too friendly / smiling too much
- Voice fundamentals - haven't got diaphragm breathing totally down yet
- Not rejecting compliance - not valuing my time/effort enough
- Forgetting to move the girl / get number at a high point
- Eye contact discipline pre approach - checking out girls too much
- Not maintaining all fundamentals throughout the interactions
- When I get near the close - anxiety, erectile dysfunction
- Sticking to my diet and getting the kilos off consistently
I mean, not to sound discouraging, but there's a ton of things to get right simultaneously and it's literally impossible to get them all down straightaway. You have to be progressive about things, and choose what to focus on each time you go out.

On the other hand, areas where I'm looking okay / much improved since GC:
- Approach anxiety - only get it a little bit when I'm not warmed up yet
- Conversation - I only create bridges, have basically eliminated gaps
- Compliments - I have some favourite things to look for / comment on
- Banter, flirting, sexual framing - on a good day this flows okay
- Fashion / hair / jewellery / cologne / etc
- Cold reads, getting her interested and investing in the conversation
- Asking for compliance - but best if I have it planned ahead of time
- Getting jacked - been going to gym 2yrs but added a trainer 3mths ago
I've only been here some months and have noticed huge improvements, also had quite a few close calls where I've gotten lucky early in the interaction, only to have it go off by a whisker... so you don't need heaps of game to have some successes, though you need everything down if you want consistent success.

It's vital that you write up some FRs/FUs/etc, because not only will this help you to notice your own sticking points like the ones I've listed above, but others will point out blind spots in your game, this has happened to me quite a lot and it's extremely useful. When you're getting started just post FRs, and as you get better at analyzing your own interactions you should start putting them in a journal instead.

cheers, Ray

 

[Mr.Rob]

That would be 104 girls and i did not get one date nor lay from them. Sounds shitty right?

Yeah dude you can't dabble and expect to be good unless your a natural.

104 girls is nothing especially if it's over the extended time frames. I didn't get my first date (instant dates don't count) until after like 400-500 girls. I actually got laid before I got my first date which took a year and a half. I got laid after 11 months and probably 200-300 girls.

The benefit to going out regularly is that you can literally get the amount of social experience that most people get in a year in like 2-3 weeks.

52 girls a year, well better than most people but still isn't much compared to like 300-400++

I even hate putting numbers on it but when your starting out you gotta do the numbers, find out where your fucking up (like Ray_Zorse showed you, which ideally you should have a list of what exactly your weak points are), and correct accordingly.

-Rob

 

[Sub-Zero]

Money,

Yeah i meant i approach some girls one day a week, not just one girl lol. I mean it might not be a lot, but when you think about it it could be one girl a week i approach for two years. That would be 104 girls and i did not get one date nor lay from them. Sounds shitty right?

Nah, even that would make sense to me. If you're approaching only 1 girl a day, you're never giving yourself a chance to gain social momentum and really start having successful interactions with women. As a matter of fact, you'd be better off approaching 20 women in one night and then not approach again for an entire month than you would approaching 30 girls in a month, but only once per day.

Any good seducer recognizes the value of social momentum, and the more you can build up over the course of a hunting session, the more your chances increase of taking a girl home that night. So it's important that, when you DO go out to meet women, you do it for an extended period of time so that you can get yourself in a better state so that each interaction builds off the last one.

Of course, when you get experienced enough, you don't need quite as much momentum to really have a successful interaction. But while you're still learning, it's probably one of the most important things you can do.

- Franco

Nah, i was using it as an example. I don't approach one girl a week. I go out once a week and the number varies. Could be 3-10. I have another question though, i feel like im not improving no matter what, is it because i only approach once or twice a week?

 

[Sub-Zero]

That would be 104 girls and i did not get one date nor lay from them. Sounds shitty right?

Yeah dude you can't dabble and expect to be good unless your a natural.

104 girls is nothing especially if it's over the extended time frames. I didn't get my first date (instant dates don't count) until after like 400-500 girls. I actually got laid before I got my first date which took a year and a half. I got laid after 11 months and probably 200-300 girls.

The benefit to going out regularly is that you can literally get the amount of social experience that most people get in a year in like 2-3 weeks.

52 girls a year, well better than most people but still isn't much compared to like 300-400++

I even hate putting numbers on it but when your starting out you gotta do the numbers, find out where your fucking up (like Ray_Zorse showed you, which ideally you should have a list of what exactly your weak points are), and correct accordingly.

-Rob

It was an example, i don't just approach one girl a week, i was saying if you add it all up for how long ive been reading this site it would be 104. I approach 3-10 once a week.

300-400 is a lot. I can't even take rejection like that honestly, but what can you do. Glad it's working for you. But that shit makes me kind of discouraged for myself, it's like i got to get rejected 500 times then get flaked on 300 times, to get one date, then i sleep with one girl after 100 failed times.

 

[Sub-Zero]

The other thing you have to do is analyze your interactions and look for sticking points in your game. Because there's no point going out and approaching tons of girls and getting unstuck at the same point every time. (Well you might strike it lucky of course but you need to work smart as well as work hard).

As an example I have the following sticking points among others:
- Being too enthusiastic - too friendly / smiling too much
- Voice fundamentals - haven't got diaphragm breathing totally down yet
- Not rejecting compliance - not valuing my time/effort enough
- Forgetting to move the girl / get number at a high point
- Eye contact discipline pre approach - checking out girls too much
- Not maintaining all fundamentals throughout the interactions
- When I get near the close - anxiety, erectile dysfunction
- Sticking to my diet and getting the kilos off consistently
I mean, not to sound discouraging, but there's a ton of things to get right simultaneously and it's literally impossible to get them all down straightaway. You have to be progressive about things, and choose what to focus on each time you go out.

On the other hand, areas where I'm looking okay / much improved since GC:
- Approach anxiety - only get it a little bit when I'm not warmed up yet
- Conversation - I only create bridges, have basically eliminated gaps
- Compliments - I have some favourite things to look for / comment on
- Banter, flirting, sexual framing - on a good day this flows okay
- Fashion / hair / jewellery / cologne / etc
- Cold reads, getting her interested and investing in the conversation
- Asking for compliance - but best if I have it planned ahead of time
- Getting jacked - been going to gym 2yrs but added a trainer 3mths ago
I've only been here some months and have noticed huge improvements, also had quite a few close calls where I've gotten lucky early in the interaction, only to have it go off by a whisker... so you don't need heaps of game to have some successes, though you need everything down if you want consistent success.

It's vital that you write up some FRs/FUs/etc, because not only will this help you to notice your own sticking points like the ones I've listed above, but others will point out blind spots in your game, this has happened to me quite a lot and it's extremely useful. When you're getting started just post FRs, and as you get better at analyzing your own interactions you should start putting them in a journal instead.

cheers, Ray

Sounds good

 

[ray_zorse]

I wouldn't think of it in terms of rejection actually. I mean the first girl I direct opened ran away from me (hahaha), but after a couple of times that never happens, they're mostly very apologetic, they have to go meet their friends or whatever. The only time I ever really get blown out now, is occasionally in nightgame, if there's a lot of drunk idiots around.

If I ask for the number I can usually get it, although I do have a biggish problem with number flakes. Again, I wouldn't describe that as rejection. That's why they give their number and then flake, they're being kind, they don't want you to face rejection. With experience you also know when not to bother asking for the number, then face is saved all around.

In the rare instance you get blown out you can have fun with it. For instance I sat down next to a girl at a tramstop early on. I saw her checking me out, so I had her move over to let me squeeze in beside her. Then I said something like "hi, I saw how cute you are and I came over to talk with you" and she totally ignored me, so I just sat there for a bit. When the tram came I got up, looked back at her with a cheeky smile and said "Bye!" and I swear she also smiled a bit despite herself. Another time I approached a group of girls hanging out near the central station to be told to fuck off, my target is only 15 (haha), so then I started giving her shit for wearing too much makeup, and then turning to the abusive one and suggesting she enter the Police Academy to improve her skills in keeping a lid on things... they lapped it up.

cheers, Ray

 

[MakeHerHappy]

Mr. Rob

Does being an asshole really works in any culture, any country? The video with Tyler Durden seems fishy to me, but even though its real but the girls in the video acted like a bunch of prostitute, dumb and drunk as fuck - they're not quality girls by the looks of them.

The girls in my country are conservative, having morals, and still believe in marriage before sex. So does learning Tyler Durden's Seduction Model really can still work?

 

[MakeHerHappy]

I also observed that he only approached a single type within the categories of women. He doesn't go for a variation of women, just simply go for the liberated ones. Others comment on him as being in godmode whenever he does the approach but little did they know that most of those girls were no good.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Does being an asshole really works in any culture, any country?

Well I can't attest to it but I'd imagine it would. It's the principle behind being an asshole which is non-neediness/challenge/excitement etc.

So does learning Tyler Durden's Seduction Model really can still work?

You don't have to learn his model of seduction it was just the quickest example I could find of someone that's not a nice guy whatsoever with girls.

I also observed that he only approached a single type within the categories of women. He doesn't go for a variation of women, just simply go for the liberated ones. Others comment on him as being in godmode whenever he does the approach but little did they know that most of those girls were no good.

Hmm I disagree I think quite a few of the girls from the video were pretty hot. Maybe not every single one but most were hard to tell anyway between the camera angle and the blurred faces.
I don't see what you mean by only approaching liberated ones. It seemed to me their was a vide variety of women he talked to.

 

[Richard]

Humor + Sexuality and Sex Frames = Fast Lays.

There's the magic formula.

 

[Franco]

It was an example, i don't just approach one girl a week, i was saying if you add it all up for how long ive been reading this site it would be 104. I approach 3-10 once a week.

That's really not too bad, actually. I'd say it's below average for most guys on here, but if you're like me, you might have a busy schedule (like a 9:00 - 5:00 job five days a week) and only have a few opportunities each week to actually go out and meet women. At that point, it's really about how quickly you're able to take your experiences and learn from them as well as how many women you can squeeze into that short amount of time to constantly get you more experience and practice.

On top of that, there's also the element of how well you're able to translate your experiences and failures into future success. If you're constantly making the same mistakes over and over again without learning from them, then you're going to be stagnant.

Chase actually has some great articles on all of this stuff, so when you get some time, these would be highly recommended reads by me:

• How to Master Anything
• Events vs. Process: What Spectators Don't See
• Dealing With Failure: An Important Learning Tool
• The 100 Hour Rule
• What to Do to Get Past a Sticking Point

Hope these help. =)

- Franco

 

[Estate]

Money,
If it were "that easy" then wouldn't every guy be doing it!?! As they say...

But for a typical guy... where do they go to get laid? Look for any party bar Thurs-Sun.
Average guy rolls in, has a few drinks, tries his luck and since the girls are coming to meet guys and party, they get lucky once in a while.

Roll in with an ounce of game and it's a fish in a barrel scenario.
Top that off with just dropping any very high standards. If you're just looking to get laid, you can't dismiss any girls who are not 10's. It's just not realistic.

Realistically, do as others have said applies though... work on your game and set time aside specifically to go out and hone the skills, be it daygame, nightgame, or whatever.