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Easy Sluts vs. Nervous Girls - what to do?

Tkr

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Hey guys,

Long read, but I think many intermediates/college guys will be able to relate to it well, and I'm sure all of us have been through this at some point. I just hope somebody could give it a look and offer an opinion.



The girls who want you will stick with you until they get what they want, until 3am or 6. These girls are almost always experienced, and they usually do get what they want. They're calm and collected, and if you take your time they will push for sex until you give it to them. They're never the prettiest, but I do enjoy having sex with them and I find that I can learn things from their buckets of experience.

Though I'm not a virgin by any means, the only girls I ever get with are sexually confident, very intelligent, and openly promiscuous. Call me a good looking loser, but by practical means I feel like a grossly over-competent VIRGIN. It almost feels like they game me, and I just can't get a girl unless she's the type that knows how to go for what she wants. I don't believe in labels, but I've yet to go the whole way with a girl who isn't an outright "slut".

I've had many nervous girls in bed or alone with me - yet I've never pulled the trigger because I could sense their anxiety and it would make me recoil - kinda of a turn off really. I've learned to associate quiet heavy breathing with lust, but when I'm meeting a girl on the street or on a date and I pick up on anxious/insecure body language, it makes ME anxious - and as a result I don't persist the way I naturally would and usually lose out.



It's maddening.



Most people would describe me as a very well put together, over-confident, intense but calm, even charismatic man. And I feel that way to my bones, though I know I need a few more solid experiences to really let it sink in. Recently I've noticed that girls almost seem intimidated by me, and I find that really bothersome because I don't mean foul to anyone. I've learned that I need to work with it, and help them cross the bridge to form a healthy connection, but nervous tells still shoot me down when it comes to closing. (a #, inv home, sex escalation)

I've been at it for a year now, and this shit needs to stop. I cannot tolerate letting another girl slip through my fingers, and I know that if I were 2-3 years older I would NEVER miss out on any of these often-times stunning women. But the solution is so damn elusive it's getting painful - I've been on a bad losing streak for months and the only thing that keeps me going is my belief that finding REAL success once will be like flipping on a light switch.





I made a point to make this a heavily emotional piece (feels good), but my question now is, what do you do to push for the next step when you can tell that a girl is nervous or anxious?

Do you backtrack and build comfort at the cost of intrigue/excitement, or surge forward as if it didn't matter at all?

What about girls that you know like you, but are too nervous to even acknowledge your presence and say hello? The ones that maintain shifty eye contact or even go out of their way to avoid you when they know your paths will cross.

Most insecure people try to avoid situations that aggravate their anxiety - how do you deal with a woman that's committed to an interaction with you but is emotionally flighty and perpetually unsure?




I could keep going, but I think 3 is enough for now. On a college campus, statistics dictate that 33% of all girls are virgins, and another third still have very low partner counts. I think this is substantial given that I'm neither 21 or in a high-access fraternity, and it simply means that I need to adapt.

Does anybody else have experiences similar to this or learned how to get past it? I know everyone here has met girls that come across as the nervous type.

Thanks,
- TR
 
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trashKENNUT

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Tkr,

Tkr said:
I made a point to make this a heavily emotional piece (feels good), but my question now is, what do you do to push for the next step when you can tell that a girl is nervous or anxious?

Do you backtrack and build comfort at the cost of intrigue/excitement, or surge forward as if it didn't matter at all?

What about girls that you know like you, but are too nervous to even acknowledge your presence and say hello? The ones that maintain shifty eye contact or even go out of their way to avoid you when they know your paths will cross.

Most insecure people try to avoid situations that aggravate their anxiety - how do you deal with a woman that's committed to an interaction with you but is emotionally flighty and perpetually unsure?

You have to tone down, built comfort and move forward. It depends on who she is. If you noted that a women that's committed to an interaction but is emotionally flighty, that's another matter altogether.

The girl who is emotionally flighty can sometimes be a red flag, a "crazy" girl in a sense. No matter how much you do, she's still crazy.

Zac
 

Tkr

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Thanks for the reply Zac
I tend to think that I can get away with whatever I want because I know I'm in impeccable shape and otherwise have a lot going for me, but then I end up with an uncomfortable girl who won't follow. I must still be in that phase where I overcompensate for having moved too slow my whole life by trying to move as fast as I can without actually knowing the limits well enough to calibrate to the particular girl.

That's probably why I'm seeing such polarizing responses - I'm definitely going to make it a point to slow down and think more about building comfort the appropriate way. I think that as long as I keep in mind my process and commit to pulling the trigger I'll learn in due time.

Drinking too much alcohol and smoking bud just seems to exacerbate the problem. I've made a hard limit for the first and I'm eliminating the latter immediately.

Tkr said:
The girl who is emotionally flighty can sometimes be a red flag, a "crazy" girl in a sense. No matter how much you do, she's still crazy.

Haha wow, now that I think about it that's a very solid point, I can already think of many examples

Thanks again, I really appreciate it
 

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Tkr,

Tkr said:
That's probably why I'm seeing such polarizing responses - I'm definitely going to make it a point to slow down and think more about building comfort the appropriate way. I think that as long as I keep in mind my process and commit to pulling the trigger I'll learn in due time.

Drinking too much alcohol and smoking bud just seems to exacerbate the problem. I've made a hard limit for the first and I'm eliminating the latter immediately.

It will take some time. :)

IF you do intend to quit smoking and you are not forcing yourself, Take a look. I hope this will help. TED Talks - Get Out of Your Own Way

Zac
 

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Some good news is that since you clearly have high empathy, if you make it through this, you are going to be well-calibrated for these women in a way more bullheaded men aren't.

The problem seems to be a degree of emotional contagion...a lack of self-completeness, if you will. Also possibly some frame control issues, but those would be secondary.

Ultimately, it seems to me that you need both experience and the right frames. Here's some of the latter:
1. It's good that she's nervous. It means she cares about the outcome, which means she likes you.
2. She *wants you to close*, but is afraid of what she wants. That's part of the seduction process. Ie, this is all perfectly normal.
3. She *needs* to be shown a way forward that leads to a satisfactory outcome for both of you. If you can't give her that, you're letting her down.

So, recap? She likes you, she wants you to succeed, but she needs you to (gently and playfully) lead her. Keep all of that in mind in your future seductions.
 

Tkr

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First off I want to share some great news, this really is a game of asymmetric returns. I've got a date lined up Thursday night and a cute neighbor seemingly waiting on call. "My roommate broke up and I need to be with her" sounds like bullshit, and I've heard it before, but she's being very compliant so I'm looking forward to seeing how that turns out.

Haraklus said:
2. She *wants you to close*, but is afraid of what she wants. That's part of the seduction process. Ie, this is all perfectly normal.

That's a piece of gold. I've been thinking along the same lines for months now, and it's such a motivational mindset to have.
Question is how do you guide each girl to the outcome I know she wants?

I had a virgin a few months ago who wouldn't cross the line - fingering is all we got to. I tried dry humping as a last ditch effort to get her on with the program, but the end result was me scratching my head at 234 tons of LMR. Crazy thing is she let on that she was experienced hooking up with guys, talking about it, and the first thing she asked me was about my roommate situation. She never told me she was a virgin, and I found out later that she went home crying to our nice guy friend who consoled her and then warned me about it later.

I suppose it really is just a calibration thing, building comfort. What ideas did you have on self-completeness and frame control?

"We're not having sex tonight" is something I've never heard, resistance/or abortion on my end usually comes down to not coming to terms with what she really wants and me failing to lead her through that - probably because every girl I've ever actually been with pursued me for sex on their own agenda.
 

Teparus

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Question is how do you guide each girl to the outcome I know she wants?

There's a lot of material on this site about this, and it is, naturally, a huge topic. As Chase has said, it's important to have a seduction process. That basically turns it into a numbers game you can tweak and play with. There's information on building a seduction process 'round girlschase somewhere. I can't give you better advice than Chase, really. Generally speaking, though, it involves introduction, attraction, comfort, isolation, and escalation.

What you need to take home from this morning than anything else, I think, is emotional stability. Knowing that she wants what you want should make it a lot easier to do whatever it is you do as part of your process.

I had a virgin a few months ago who wouldn't cross the line - fingering is all we got to.

Sometimes it happens, simple as that, really. Without a full, high-detail FR it's hard to say what you could have done differently to change things. It does sound like you had her isolated, and she was just exerting self-control. In general, getting past LMR involves a combination of continual escalation and deescalation. Two steps forward, one step back, and all that. There's a lot written on the topic.

I suppose it really is just a calibration thing, building comfort. What ideas did you have on self-completeness and frame control?
Ideas don't really do it the trick. The only 'idea' is to not be dependent on outer things for inner well-being and confidence. The main thing to do is continually build positive reference experiences and keep trying. I find that meditation at various points in my life has helped, as well, but there's not a lot I can tell you to do to make it better other than "keep trying".
 
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