FR Effortless Day Game

[Howell]

It's hot out, and I want an iced coffee, so I enter a cafe with a bookstore in the back which I worked in a few years back.

There are a few cute girls, so I go look at the books so I can easily cross paths with people. I compliment one girl on her style (she had a dress, no bra, and the sides of her dress were cut out showing her sides) but don't go further. We split and she disappears.

Social momentum well established now, I go grab a coffee, and a girl I think I might have fucked last year is standing next to me at the counter. I can't tell if it's her or not out of my peripheries, and she's also wearing a lot of makeup. We ignore each other.

I get my coffee and go sit down. However, I decide to get up and go sit by a cute girl on the couches instead. "It'd be more comfortable over there " I think to myself.

I sit down and pull out my work while the girl chatters away on her phone.

I get up under the pretense of getting some half-and-half, and on my way back from the counter I act as though I just recognized the girl who was standing next to me while I was getting coffee (who is now sitting) and ask if her name is Katy (the girl I slept with). She says she is Stacey, and I see now that she is not her. We chat for a bit -- she seems interested, but I shut it down because I'm not particularly attracted to her (not nearly as hot as Katy, upon closer inspection).

Sitting on the couch again, the girl to my right to is still on her phone. Her conversation actually has substance too. She's talking about purity and slut shaming.

"This is going to be too easy," I think to myself.

She starts preparing to leave (to go to work) but then opens me before I have to do anything at all.

"Hey, I hope you liked being part of our conversation," she says, standing over me as I lounge on the couch.

"Oh, yeah, I wasn't really listening. I heard a few words like "purity" and the mention of women being shamed for being sexual though -- some of my favorite topics."

From there we talked about slut shaming and purity, and agreed that slut shaming is silly and women shouldn't be compelled to be with just one guy. "Guys who sleep around are called players, while girls who sleep around are called sluts. Totally unfair!" (I say) etc.

After that she showed me that her and her friend were still face-timing (talking on the phone with video) and she introduced us.

Then I ask how old she is (21) and say it's cool that she already feels this way about sexuality -- establishing myself as the experienced older man. (She asks how old I am and there was some more playful banter in there as well)

"So you're headed to work now, eh?"

"Well, not quite right now. I can wait a bit."

"Great. Hey, are you single?"

"Wow. That was really smooth."

"Yeah, actually, in the context of all we just said, I don't think it really matter, does it." I laugh.

"Haha, well I just started seeing someone... but, I guess, yeah, I'm single."

"Awesome -- here, put you're number in my phone."

We both laugh and she complies.

We soon wrap up the conversation, shake hands, and off she goes to work, still face-timing with her friend.


Texted her a few hours later:

Me: "Hey Jamie, save my number. -Howell"

Her: "Hi Howell! I shall! It was nice chatting with you this afternoon!"

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The Law of Least Effort is a beautiful thing.

Cheers,

Howell

 

[Smurf]

Hell yeah dude!

Pretty flawless game like you said, man. Seems like you got your fundamentals on lock. Let us know how that date goes!

Jake.

 

[mb1]

Hey Howell, do you think she had that conversation on purpose since you moved from your seat to go sit with her (or perhaps even if she didn't notice that and simply liked your fundamentals)?

I was talking to my parents on the phone about how guys have to do the approaching and girl cheat on their boyfriends to get better genes, and this girl came to sit eerily close to me (gotta love the hover).

In your case though, she opened you (which my last girlfriend did - and was also "too easy" since she basically asked to be seduced).

Think it was a strategy she used to frame your conversation sexually herself, and would you ever considering talking on the phone as I did to express philosophies before opening a girl? Perhaps it could be telling a buddy about how his girlfriend's gonna dump him if he doesn't do a, b, and c, etc.

 

[Zoro]

Nice!

This is the way it should be, relaxed and fun.

I've been thinking a lot about the pressure I put on myself to approach and close and notice it hinders my success. Radeng seems to have been having similar experiences.

I've come to the conclusion that being outcome dependent is the root of this pressure and conversely, just seeing what happens (like Edd--19 said here which sparked this idea https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11066 and being outcome independent is a lot less pressure on yourself. My own experiences support this, but haven't gone out conscious of this.

So I'm wondering, how were you feeling during these interactions?

PS

There is actually some GC articles on this subject, but a piece of the puzzle seems to have finally fit itself in my mind.

 

[Prehistoric]

"put you're number in my phone."

I am totally gonna use this on my next chance!

Very nice by the way. Particularly enlightening for me that I don't do much day game yet.

 

[ocantu1987]

solid report howel. Im going for more daygame here soon.

 

[Howell]

Hey Howell, do you think she had that conversation on purpose since you moved from your seat to go sit with her (or perhaps even if she didn't notice that and simply liked your fundamentals)?

I was talking to my parents on the phone about how guys have to do the approaching and girl cheat on their boyfriends to get better genes, and this girl came to sit eerily close to me (gotta love the hover).

In your case though, she opened you (which my last girlfriend did - and was also "too easy" since she basically asked to be seduced).

Think it was a strategy she used to frame your conversation sexually herself, and would you ever considering talking on the phone as I did to express philosophies before opening a girl? Perhaps it could be telling a buddy about how his girlfriend's gonna dump him if he doesn't do a, b, and c, etc.

Yeah, in my experience girls are much more proactive in the seduction process than most guys seem to think; the bulk of girls being wonderfully cute when it comes to the signs they give. They're like inexperienced guys who don't know how to start a conversation so just kind of hover around or do some other funny things.

Talking on the phone about sexual stuff like she did (and you do) can be useful for setting a sexual frame, as you're setting it before the interaction even really begins so she is going to assume you really mean/experience the world the way you're talking about it -- no doubt about your sincerity, as she doesn't feel like she's a target of your communication yet.

Only trouble with talk about being accepting and above the slut-shaming/judgmental stuff is that it can have a negative effect on your attainability and if you make too big a point of it she can start to suspect you're overcompensating and putting on a front to impress her, which appears as chasing. So I never force the topic (or any topic, really).

Your talk on the phone about giving advice to a buddy is a cool frame to set. I've done this, where I was giving advice to a buddy of mine over the phone and took a break to get a girls number, and it worked smoothly. I was walking down the street on the phone, attractive girl was coming towards me, and I tell my buddy "One sec" then move into a highly condensed set. And I think the pressure of knowing that someone was on my other line made her feel the breakneck speed I was moving at was more justified. So I can definitely get behind that strategy

Howell

 

[Howell]

Nice!

This is the way it should be, relaxed and fun.

I've been thinking a lot about the pressure I put on myself to approach and close and notice it hinders my success. Radeng seems to have been having similar experiences.

I've come to the conclusion that being outcome dependent is the root of this pressure and conversely, just seeing what happens (like Edd--19 said here which sparked this idea https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11066 and being outcome independent is a lot less pressure on yourself. My own experiences support this, but haven't gone out conscious of this.

So I'm wondering, how were you feeling during these interactions?

PS

There is actually some GC articles on this subject, but a piece of the puzzle seems to have finally fit itself in my mind.

Thanks man

Most of the time when I do pick-up I am pretty emotionally detached from what's going on; rejection or acceptance, neither really have that big of an impact on me. I'm typically a very upbeat guy, and my main motive going into an interaction (largely unconscious) is usually something along the lines of snapping people out of auto-pilot and boosting their self-esteem.

Basically, when I interact with people, I try and reflect back at them the way they see themselves in their best of moments. That just makes them feel so good, as most people usually don't really believe they are all that special.

I believe people can do whatever they set their minds to do if they have enough conviction, but at the same time I don't take them overly-seriously, and try and get them to laugh at themselves and realize what rascals and hypocrites we all fundamentally are and feeling that they don't need to always be worrying about getting a one-up on the world. I also like to deviate things into more and more taboo ranges, like sex talk in public or getting exceptionally frisky within the first 10 minutes of meeting them. This is all simply for self-amusement, and if it leads to sex, great -- but it's also still a net gain if it doesn't.

So I guess it really comes down to not taking anything particularly seriously and moving towards topics/actions that amuse/interest you, and being intriguing enough that they want to come along for the ride and get more intimate with you (intimate in the broad sense, not just sex).

Howell

 

[Motiv]

Hey Howell,

This was a really good read for me. I think you spelled out some great details for early game.

Cheers!

-M

 

[Skid]

Wow , that just seems all too easy: have to try something like this sometime. I feel like being older than a girl gives you a head start in value , you just generally seem to get warmer receptions, and in this case you get girls opening you.

 

[Motiv]

Wow , that just seems all too easy: have to try something like this sometime. I feel like being older than a girl gives you a head start in value , you just generally seem to get warmer receptions, and in this case you get girls opening you.

Being older (as in mid-30's) has definitely given me a free bonus as far as flirting with girls in their 20's.

Don't take this like you can't do game as a young guy—obviously, many have! Things just get even better with age for a man who takes good care of himself… ;-)

-M

 

[mb1]

Edit didn't see you replied to me, still have to read it

 

[mb1]

Killer all around man, thanks. Your overcompensation point especially was helpful and something I wouldn't have thought of.