Evolution of giving dating advice to men, PUA then Girlschase, what's next?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I think it all started off a while ago with PUA coaches who said things like "just approach" and downplayed the importance of looks. Any guy can get any girl if he has the game for it.

Then it got off to different paths, darker paths included dark truths about women and women nature. Now along came Girlschase which focused on improving your fundamentals and even got the point where various topics about the game were discussed. I think that to date, not kissing up here either, Girlschase has been the best site on the web in terms of giving advice about girls. The site is good at telling the truth (ie: Blonde bombshells article) yet keeping a positive attitude about it as opposed to telling the truth and getting cynical or telling lies and being overly optimistic.

The advice has evolved and I feel sorry for guys that were schooled in classic clownish PUA garbage, glad this site was around when I was learning the game for real. Most of this community has been supportive, very very understanding of guys having a tough time that whine a bit too much instead of outright banning them fast, and we have some pretty good discussions here. It's unfortunate that the forum isn't nearly as active as it used to be but I also notice that the whole PUA and dating advice thing is dying down.

Most classic PUAs have either retired of stopped pushing their material on the market as much.

I wonder though, what's the next step in giving game advice to guys?

We have all admitted that looks matter but maybe we can talk more about the importance of your location?

Who knows.....

 

[Drck]

I believe next step will be simplicity. When we look at movies from 60's, those guys were MEN. Look at the behavior, simple, straight forward, masculine, sharp... Nobody is making a fool out of himself, nobody is too complicated, there is lots of fun yet nobody is being a clown.... There is some seriousness in their behaviors, these guys simply have spines... Look at the show "Mad Men", IMO the main characters simply represent what we today call Alpha....

Look at the girls at that time, they are still quite feminine. There is just natural respect towards guys, towards MEN. The girls were not being taken seriously, they are just sort of "aside" of man's interest... They were trully just silly and cute, the girls knew they are silly and cute, each was really happy to find (seduce) a true man....

Does anybody think those guys studied seduction for years? That they did hundreds of approaches and worried about rejections? I don't think so. These guys were simple and straightforward. They had good clothes, good haircuts, they were clean and neat... They were 10x more attractive than guys today... Their secret is that they were trully masculine, they could simply care less about female's psychology, or which particular girl thinks about them... They didn't care what to say and how, what does this word mean and what kind of smile signifies that.... They didn't care how and when to approach because they simply knew their own Value, they knew that they look good and are good - just the way they are....

You don't see it today anymore, it is rare. What you see today is disrespect, weak and pussified men, clowns making fun out of themselves just so they don't have to deal with sexual tension... Look for example at the recent show called Friends - it might appear funny but it is actually disgusting how grown guys act as if they were immature children, they are fools in stead of being true men... It's disgusting how they have no life, no real purpose...

Faggots, that's what they are, not Friends... Cute, girly and funny men, friendly friends... Think about girls for a while - if you were a girl, wouldn't you be disgusted yourself to be around such "men"...???

 

[Ezio]

Hello, guys. Great topic.

I would like to debate and discuss this topic with you, especially with you Drck.

I want to contribute and give my thoughts on this matter. While we have most of the time, guys whining and fighting to get better with women or life in general, even me being part of them often, this forum also needs philosophical talks and debates about different topics. It raises the general value of the forum and I encourage all the members here to participate in such talks and questions.

Right now, I am not able to write on this, but I will do so soon.

Until then,

-Ezio.

 

[Lover]

Oh Pry,

Of course location is important. Authors of GC have posted numbers of articles about ways to pick up chicks from different parts of the worlds (latinas, black girls, Asian girls etc.), and how game as a white, brown or black man differ. But I know you're looking for the importance of location in the US as a brown dude. I'll give my take on the latter as a non-American, so a lot of what I say might be biased.

In a self-improvement community such as GC, I think you'll have to discover ways to pick up girls in these "weird" locations yourself, or you'll get the "you'll have to adapt to the location you're residing"-respons - which is actually what those articles I mentioned above are all about. It really can't be different. I believe that location (and of course media) plays a role in the way most people think about dating and seduction in their current location. But yet, there are girls who will be into you and don't give a fuck about their society. This will probably a few percent of girls.

If people are raised to believe that people from Middle East or Southeast Asia are stinky, clumsy nerds with no social skills (or the overly aggressive types), then yes, it will be hard to convince these girls that there are actually other dudes out there from the same regions who are actually quite the opposite or somewhere in the middle. But why should we try to convince people who have judged us as losers that we are different anyway? Is that probably our ego speaking?

In my experience, showing who you are instead of telling who you are makes the difference. I've had two girls tell me that I was not their physical types at all, but my personality made the difference. These girls were openminded and actually not my physical type either. Yet, I connected so well with them that I didn't second guessed with these girls.

My point is: there are posts out there about importance of location. And there are things we cannot change, but simply have to accept as foreigners in the West. To put it in an unpersonal manner: we are "products" of the times we live in and nothing else.


Drck,

I believe next step will be simplicity.

Interesting guess. As complex as this world is becoming, it would be nice to get some simple guidelines to just about anything. In my opinion, GC is the most simple out there right now. I wonder if anyone can make it to GC standards or even better.

Think about girls for a while - if you were a girl, wouldn't you be disgusted yourself to be around such "men"...???

Even though these "men" make up most of the males of the world, they still get married to women, they still get to impregnate women and so on. Ultimately, women need security and stability for a long term relationship to work. The guy just has to be good enough to fit the role. And the women herself should want a child and a relationship bad enough to just go for about any available guy out there.

Even guys who have a basic understanding of female psychology and the progress of relationships might run into the long term problems of a relationship such as 2-year drop, sex once per week, you know the deal. We are not really that special, they are just people with a different mindset, behaviors and motivations - and knowledge of course.

To girls, this kind of guy might be more attractive in general, but that's about it. Once she gets to know the real you, you are no different from any other man. The only thing that could keep you attractive to one particular girl in long term is that you stay true to yourself and your value and keep treating her the way you have always treated her, but it could be completely different for another one.

Look for example at the recent show called Friends - it might appear funny but it is actually disgusting how grown guys act as if they were immature children, they are fools in stead of being true men... It's disgusting how they have no life, no real purpose...

This actually made me think one thing: have ALL men of history been "true" men? Look at philosophers from the Ancient Greek such as Socrates and Plato or even Jesus Christ. They were probably "true" men back then, but how many citizens thought like them, behaved like them and believed in the things they believed in? Not many, if I were to take a guess! If they were, we would have heard of them. They are probably remembered because they were not like the rest.

Was it like this in 1960's as well maybe..?

How does it differ from today? It doesn't. There are still leaders ("true men") even now like back the. This dynamic haven't changed one bit, and I don't think it ever will. In every niche, we hear about that one guy or those couple of guys who changed everything. Philosophy, religion, business, sports, architecture, painting, politics (and even branches of politics) and so on. Some guys created the fundamentals while others just decided to follow them.

So why am I trying to say? That shows like Friends and HIMYM are more relatable to people who are mostly followers in their lives. And it's my belief that these shows sell because they are more relatable to people. The majority of people doesn't care about being leaders. All they want is a good and simple life. If they find a leader to follow, they will. I think that society and media are those leaders today.

Yet, I will go as far as to say that are also "pseudo-leaders" out there. What I define as pseudo-leader, is someone who isn't doing anything fancy or significant about his life. He works his 8-hour job and follows whatever path society has laid out for him. But he doesn't take shit from anyone and knows his value as a humanbeing. He has a spine and tell people to not cross his boundaries, and people know better than disrespecting him. I would actually say that this guy could be quite attractive himself even though he has no "real" purpose.

 

[windsofchange]

We're also teetering on the precipice of VR + AI infused sex bots (both male and female) hitting the marketplace at any moment. The impact of these on game, socializing, and humanity in general is really up to anyone's guess.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I am not whining that much about location, as a brown guy in NYC I've done quite well. Even then, I know I have way more options in NYC, those options including hot girls, than I would in a city like Atlanta or Dallas where girls more likely to reject me for race.

I was born and raised in the USA, I don't exactly consider myself a foreigner and as someone who has gamed in the USA, I prefer to hear from other brown guys in the country rather than non-Americans. No offense.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Oh Pry,

the next step is PASSIVE AGGRESSION PICKUP. *rolls on the floor at supermarkets* Fight back feminism! ROAR

Zac