Fear of approaching younger girls

[Skills]

Everyone is still missing the point here.

It's the whole part in the first 5-10 seconds where you've got to go full on, direct, in the middle of the street. And you don't know how old the girl is. It's not "later on in the convo" or anything like that. It's the first 5-10 seconds. I can't do the approach if I fear she is underaged or even under about 20.

Oh and just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's safe. If the local community finds out you have laid (or even approaching) a 16 year old, you could get badly beaten and driven out of town.

What are you talking about not everyone does direct, or does direct in every situation...

Some get approach or get strong ais, even in day game (warm approaches)

 

[Jacksonville01]

My daygame doesn’t involve ANY compliments at all and isn’t direct

How do you do street stops indirectly?

 

[James Cruse]

It's the whole part in the first 5-10 seconds where you've got to go full on, direct, in the middle of the street. And you don't know how old the girl is. It's not "later on in the convo" or anything like that. It's the first 5-10 seconds. I can't do the approach if I fear she is underaged or even under about 20.

Is this really a question? The answer is obvious and other people have been repeatedly telling you:

Don’t go Direct

There’s no need to ever go direct in daygame seduction, at any time or at any part of the interaction.

Where did you get the idea that you are required to go direct (or to compliment)?

This must have come from somewhere.

 

[average_daygamer]

Is this really a question? The answer is obvious and other people have been repeatedly telling you:

Don’t go Direct

There’s no need to ever go direct in daygame seduction, at any time or at any part of the interaction.

Where did you get the idea that you are required to go direct (or to compliment)?

This must have come from somewhere.

Well, direct game, i.e. going up to the girl (a moving girl) and telling her she looks GOOD is generally considered the most masculine and balls out approach method.

It is promoted as the creme de la creme of approaching. That's where the idea comes from. A lot of guys on YouTube say to do a direct frontal approach.

If not that, then how do you approach a moving side indirectly? Ask for directions? What?

A few examples would help.

Like Jacksonville01 asks, "how do you do street stops indirectly". Even with an indirect opener, it feels very creepy if the girl looks anywhere from 15-22 but you're not sure which end of that range she falls in. It is so short of a window to decide, you are talking about 2 seconds max to make a judgement call.

I have had it before where I have been sure a girl is early 20s only to find out they were 15-16. I even made a thread about an incident where I stopped a 3 set and found they were in their mid teens.

I have a huge aversion to this which I don't think I can overcome without going out infield with one of you guys to show me how to deal with these situations.

 

[OldGuy]

Open all women, including middle-aged (you don't have to close them). If you do that, you will be seen as opening women and even those who are too young want to be seen as women, so no foul. Include talking to some men for even less censure.

 

[average_daygamer]

Open all women, including middle-aged (you don't have to close them). If you do that, you will be seen as opening women and even those who are too young want to be seen as women, so no foul. Include talking to some men for even less censure.

Is this during daygame? I am struggling to visualise what you mean by this.

 

[James Cruse]

Well, direct game, i.e. going up to the girl (a moving girl) and telling her she looks GOOD is generally considered the most masculine and balls out approach method.

It is promoted as the creme de la creme of approaching. That's where the idea comes from. A lot of guys on YouTube say to do a direct frontal approach.

I honestly haven’t seen “all the guys on youtube” promote being direct & complimenting women on the approach.

I don’t think direct approaches during the day are “ballsy” or “masculine”.

I think this is just a way to reframe guys who want to be lazy, logical and comfortable because they don’t need to think or be creative when they approach women because they find it difficult to do anything else.

Have a look at my LR on here and see an example of a non-direct daygame approach.

 

[OldGuy]

Is this during daygame? I am struggling to visualise what you mean by this.

Say Hello to all women and you won't look like you are only after young women (and yes this during day game, night game preselects since venue keep out underage girls). You will be seen as interested in women and if a few underage girls look like women, that is what they are trying to look like.

 

[Prodigy]

How do you do street stops indirectly?

im asking myself the same thing honestly

 

[average_daygamer]

Say Hello to all women and you won't look like you are only after young women (and yes this during day game, night game preselects since venue keep out underage girls). You will be seen as interested in women and if a few underage girls look like women, that is what they are trying to look like.

This isn't a workable strategy. Maybe you could write a field report where you did this? I appreciate you trying to offer solutions, but this isn't a solution. As for underaged girls trying to look like women, they will still blame you for approaching them and being rude unless they are middle class.

 

[average_daygamer]

im asking myself the same thing honestly

He mentioned a lay report where me went indirect but I went back through his profile and couldn't find it.

I was thinking of something a bit more neutral like "Hey, I just noticed you there, I was wondering if you would like to chat and get to know one another". But if that girl is underaged, she will still think you are a paedo/nonce, it is such a stupidly fine line. You have about 1 second to assess before you have to chase after them for a 0.1 % success rate which is logically not worth it.

 

[James Cruse]

Well, direct game, i.e. going up to the girl (a moving girl) and telling her she looks GOOD is generally considered the most masculine and balls out approach method.

How do you do street stops indirectly?

im asking myself the same thing honestly

He mentioned a lay report where me went indirect but I went back through his profile and couldn't find it.

Indirect Daygame Approach Lay Report

I think I said something like, “Hey, you know you’re singing in public” or something to that effect.

 

[OldGuy]

This isn't a workable strategy. Maybe you could write a field report where you did this? I appreciate you trying to offer solutions, but this isn't a solution. As for underaged girls trying to look like women, they will still blame you for approaching them and being rude unless they are middle class.

You say Hi, Hello, or wave if they are engrossed in something or jogging. Unless you get back more than a casual Hi or wave, just go on with your business. If there is a positive response, then advance the interaction.

 

[Prodigy]

You say Hi, Hello, or wave if they are engrossed in something or jogging. Unless you get back more than a casual Hi or wave, just go on with your business. If there is a positive response, then advance the interaction

Yeah this is how I do it and for me it makes sense

 

[average_daygamer]

You say Hi, Hello, or wave if they are engrossed in something or jogging. Unless you get back more than a casual Hi or wave, just go on with your business. If there is a positive response, then advance the interaction.

Oh I can see that. I have actually tried this just as a general warmup. Most people seem quite surprised by this and assume you are a bit crazy.

When I say "approach" I am referring to a full blown approach where you run up to them and get right in front.

That is what I don't like to commit to unless I am absolutely sure the girl is atleast 18.

 

[bgwh]

Most of my approaches are to 18-19 year olds. Not on purpose, it's just that when I go out and about around the neighbourhod, most of the ones walking about end up being that age. Occasionally I'll end up opening a 16 year old and she'll inform me that she's 2nd year high school. It's not big deal, I just say ah ok.

I also find the comments above weird, because I have the opposite issue. Women my age are extremely difficult. Younger women are the friendliest and open up. However I don't do pick up per se. I do social circle game where I promote stuff, and invite people to stuff. But yah, half the girls I closed in the past weeks turned out to be last year of high school.

I honestly thought they were like 20... but it's when I contacted them later to invite them to stuff that they'd mention they're handling some stuff with prom and we can do it "after prom". I was like wait, they're in high school?

I know my stuff doesn't apply to pickup art entirely, as I don't do pick up, but it possibly says something about the frame. If the frame isn't hitting on them, then age isn't an issue... or rather in my case age is an issue in the reverse, older women are an issue.

 

[bgwh]

That is what I don't like to commit to unless I am absolutely sure the girl is atleast 18.

As long as you're not doing direct, you don't have to worry about not opening someone younger. It's only an issue if you hit on them. If you're the social person talking to everyone, it's not an issue. Just don't hit on her, end on a social note.

As I mentioned above, I quite often end up opening below 18 because I am shortsighted and lazy about wearing glasses. It's not an issue at all. But I am like the friendly neighbour talking to everyone. One of these 16 year olds actually introduced me to a friend of hers (18) and she's the hottest girl I've ever seen in my life. So talking to that 16 year old, turned into her introducing me to that 18 year old which I'll do some events and stuff with. I'm talking 1 in 10,000 hotness. And it came as refferal from that 16 year old at the bus stop.

But mind you, I talked to everyone at that bus stop, everyone at every age. So I'm just the guy who talks to everyone.

 

[average_daygamer]

As long as you're not doing direct, you don't have to worry about not opening someone younger. It's only an issue if you hit on them. If you're the social person talking to everyone, it's not an issue. Just don't hit on her, end on a social note.

As I mentioned above, I quite often end up opening below 18 because I am shortsighted and lazy about wearing glasses. It's not an issue at all. But I am like the friendly neighbour talking to everyone. One of these 16 year olds actually introduced me to a friend of hers (18) and she's the hottest girl I've ever seen in my life. So talking to that 16 year old, turned into her introducing me to that 18 year old which I'll do some events and stuff with. I'm talking 1 in 10,000 hotness. And it came as refferal from that 16 year old at the bus stop.

But mind you, I talked to everyone at that bus stop, everyone at every age. So I'm just the guy who talks to everyone.

I get what you are saying, but from what I understand you are not approaching to get phone numbers and dates.

And how do you stop moving sets in your manner? Like what is your opener? Most day game advice is to open direct on moving sets, otherwise what is your reason for approaching?

 

[average_daygamer]

Most of my approaches are to 18-19 year olds. Not on purpose, it's just that when I go out and about around the neighbourhod, most of the ones walking about end up being that age. Occasionally I'll end up opening a 16 year old and she'll inform me that she's 2nd year high school. It's not big deal, I just say ah ok.

I also find the comments above weird, because I have the opposite issue. Women my age are extremely difficult. Younger women are the friendliest and open up. However I don't do pick up per se. I do social circle game where I promote stuff, and invite people to stuff. But yah, half the girls I closed in the past weeks turned out to be last year of high school.

I honestly thought they were like 20... but it's when I contacted them later to invite them to stuff that they'd mention they're handling some stuff with prom and we can do it "after prom". I was like wait, they're in high school?

I know my stuff doesn't apply to pickup art entirely, as I don't do pick up, but it possibly says something about the frame. If the frame isn't hitting on them, then age isn't an issue... or rather in my case age is an issue in the reverse, older women are an issue.

You've admitted that you don't even daygame and you don't seem to understand the issue.

So I am not sure what kind of solution you are offering. From what I understand, you are a sales person trying to sell stuff.

I can't see how your experience is relevant to this subject.

Because your goals are different for approaching.

 

[bgwh]

I get what you are saying, but from what I understand you are not approaching to get phone numbers and dates.

And how do you stop moving sets in your manner? Like what is your opener? Most day game advice is to open direct on moving sets, otherwise what is your reason for approaching?

I get what you are saying, but from what I understand you are not approaching to get phone numbers and dates.

And how do you stop moving sets in your manner? Like what is your opener? Most day game advice is to open direct on moving sets, otherwise what is your reason for approaching?

The reason most daygame advice is direct is because it is the easiest to teach. You can't use direct as on older man opening younger women.

Tonny D had a great free course on openers. Girls chase has tons of stuff on indirect.

My main female friend who introduced me to all her hot 22 year old friends was a moving set.

I actually chased her down from the back and opened her for an opinion since she looked like she would know.

I stop moving sets for directions and opinion all the time. Stopping a set is about a clear energy that you want them to stop. It's not about informing them that they're hot.