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Hey fellas-
Seems like there haven't been many LRs lately. Hate not being able to get a new one up. Guess I could post one of my older LRs if I get around to it.
This happened over two weeks ago, but it still is giving me pause.
Skip to The Date if you don't want background, I went into a lot of detail. Questions are at the bottom
Met GB (German Brunette) on a plane. 5' 7", really cute, small breasts, excellent figure. Didn't have any makeup on and still looked good.
She was sitting in the middle seat and the aisle seat was open, which was bizarre, but also an opportunity. I took the seat and smiled at her, and started talking to her within a few moments. Her English was decent, but not spectacular. Nevertheless she was very open to me and we ended up talking the entirety of the flight. I did a good job of deep diving her, touched her a fair amount, got a few chase frames in, and came up for air when necessary. Was proud of my effort. She seemed to like me, and would blush when I would tease/compliment her, and I suggested we hang out halfway through the flight. Got her Whatsapp, and kept talking the rest of the flight. Smooth as a seal. Parted ways well, and she responded very enthusiastically to my ice-breaker text. Good so far.
Texted her the next day and tried to arrange a date. She was busy over the weekend but made sure to let me know when we could see each other. We texted a bit back and forth, and at one point she started going into some problems she is having with her host family (she is doing an au pair arrangement) and knowing how to handle this I stopped her and told her to tell me in person. Don't want to be her texting buddy lol.
We set a date for Thursday, a week after meeting. I am living with my Catholic, super conservative father atm, who hates the idea of me sleeping around and "seducing girls", and he was in town so I used the opportunity to try flaking on the date. May have been too apologetic when I let her know I couldn't make it. What do you guys think is the best way to handle flaking? Rescheduled for that Sunday, and I began to prepare.
The problem was, she is staying about 25 minutes away from me, but that's in my special case (I drive very fast. You guys would not believe how much over the speed limit I drive and get away with) and there is construction, so the distance is about 45 minutes away in her case.This will be important later. Now before you guys tell me that I need to forget about girls who live far away and that I should have more abundance, the problem is that I am living with my dad and literally can't go out meeting girls without getting booted out (he REALLY hates the idea of me sleeping around, and this has been a source of contention between us.) So at this point, I take every chance I can get (I'll be on my own again in August).
I drive over 30 minutes beforehand. Am wearing well-fitted jeans, my cowboy boots, my maroon v-neck from guess, and my usual cross necklace and Celtic ring. I scope out the area, since I plan on getting it on in my car. I get to the cafe we were meeting at first, and feel all the girls check me out when I walk in.
The Date
She arrives 5 minutes later. She looks really good- this time she wears makeup and her outfit is really put together. Give her an intimate hug, we get smoothies,and talk for about ten minutes. I get her warmed up, and then bring her to my car where we go get pizza. The place I wanted to take her to had a 40 minute wait, so we improvised and found another pizza place. I pay, she protests, and tell her she can pay wherever we go later, which she happily agrees to. We talk, and I do a good bit of fractionation.
By the time she is finished eating, I have her in good spirits, and I tell her we are going for a drive. My sprezzatura wasn't perfect during the transition: I go out of my way to open her car door, along with a somewhat fumbled door open when we left the pizza place. I did correct it and made sure I was effortless the rest of the night.
Earlier that day I had scoped out this high school I used to go to speech tournaments at (and was the site where I came SUPER CLOSE 2 years ago to getting my own "That One Special Girl" who led me to discover Girlschase, after putting her into auto-rejection a few months prior. ARGH that still eats at me.).
Escalation
I took GB to the abandoned parking lot, and told her a small part of my history at that high school. We kept talking, and I ramped up tension with powerful eye contact and very direct compliments. GB was out of her league. I then reached over to kiss her, and she protested at first but very quickly melted and got into it. I fractionated, kissed her some more, and repeat. Eventually moved her into the back of my car, where we got more into it. I found out that she had only kissed one guy before me, and had never made out with someone, much less anything else. She apologizes for this haha, and I reassure her that I love inexperienced girls.
My escalation is very smooth up until I get a hand under her shirt and start to feel her tits. I could sense her alarm but went for it anyway, silly mistake. She protests, saying we only just met. I back away, and keep push-pulling my escalation to the point where she is completely comfortable with me feeling her tits (A good trick is feeling her breasts underneath her bra though still outside her shirt, and then going under the shirt.) I meet more resistance when I feel her pussy, but overcome this by using my knee to get under the radar and after I get past her boob barrier. When I try to get my hand in her pants she stops me completely and says that we are going too fast. I actually agree with her. Maybe this was a mistake, but in the moment I decided that it was too fast for her to go from having only pecked a guy to sleeping with me within 90 minutes. I tell her that I'm doing the best I can to control myself and that she is very sexy, and she blushes, but I don't try anything for the rest of our time together.
We kiss for about 30 minutes more, and then I stop and we start talking. She suggests we get a coke. We end up going to a bar and along with a coke get some food. We talk for 45 minutes or so and then I have to go, since my dad thinks I am doing something else and expects me home within 30 minutes. We get in the car, I drive her to her host parent's car, and she thanks me for a wonderful night and kisses me passionately. I end the kiss and tell her the pleasure was mine. As she gets out of the car, she turns around and kisses me again just as enthusiastically. She gets out, I wave, and I drive off.
So you would think everything went great right? I sure did. I text her later that night:
A: Was great hanging out with you tonight
hope you made it home ok
GB: Hey ja I am safe at home. Thanks for practicing some kissing was nice hanging out with you too
GB: Whats your father thinking when you go out with girls? *Smiling emoji with the water droplet on the side* (I had mentioned that my dad doesn't like me dating and that I have to lie to him)
A: He thought i was with some friends in Boulder *Laughing crying emoji*
A: He also travels a lot which gives me some freedom
GB: Haha and he trust in you
A: *Winking emoji* I'm gonna get some sleep, sweet dreams GB
GB: You too
Was a little skeptical about her comment on "practicing kissing" but didn't worry about it.
Two days later I sent this beauty:
A: Hey GB! Hope your week is off to a good start and those host parents aren't too crazy... Was thinking we could hang out tomorrow night if you're free. Let me know if that works!
(Was going for a date-compression themed whirlwind seduction, plus Easter was that weekend and with my Dad situation it was see her that night or don't see her for over a week, and I didn't want her emotions to fade. Tough situation)
GB: Yes that would probably work... But just hang out as friends *Laughing emoji* it was going a little fast last time.. I actually don't want that much, hope you have attention for that *winking tongue sticking emoji*
(Damn it!) I try to mirror her investment, can't be needy and I didn't want to frame battle over a texting medium
A: I don't want that much either, way too busy. Just friends will you have your car Wednesday night?
We then set up a date. I tell her to come to my area this time (I didn't know she had a car until our first date, and would have arranged things different had I known she could drive to me)
However, because of the construction and the rush hour, it showed as a 45 minute drive on her maps app. She has a curfew and because of the language barrier I had a hard time communicating that it wasn't really 45 minutes, and that she would have enough time to come see me after she got off at 7 PM. So I ended up agreeing to meet her halfway at a DQ. Probably should have just canceled by then, as we were backtracking and it removed the convenience and control aspects of a good date. Fuck me.
Second Date
More trouble struck. Her host parents, whose car she was borrowing, got home 40 minutes late, so I ended up driving all the way up there in rush hour just to see her, since the night was running out. I got to the new place first, and when she got there she had only mascara, her hair in a bun, and I could tell she hadn't put a ton of effort into her outfit. Bad sign. I chalk it up to her working and not having time to get ready, and she gets ice cream. I had mine already. The near desolate store got a huge line in between our arrivals, so it took ten minutes for her to get her snack. We talk a bit, but I can tell she is resistant to my vibe. I push forward anyway, and we go for a drive, with me trying to find a park to get comfortable and seal the deal. This ends up being a disaster, since I don't know the area. We eventually go to McDonalds. The vibe is still platonic. After some fries we get in my car, and I give her sexy eyes and let the conversation die off, but she calls me out correctly thinking I want to kiss her. I try for an uncoordinated manhandle kiss but she fights me off, saying that kissing should be something for a boyfriend and girlfriend only, and that she doesn't want a relationship. I get knotted up trying to get her to kiss me without framing against her innocent view (since I am really drawn to it) and not positioning myself as a boyfriend, and this fails miserably. I end up telling her that I'm not the type of guy who she wants as a friend. She suggests leaving, and I tell her that she probably should, hoping that she will recant out of fear of losing me. She opens the door (the McD's was next to the DQ, and her car) and gives me an awkward hug, tells me that I will find someone else, and leaves.
It seemed like a complete reversal. I thought I had played her so well, and it blew up in my face.
Lessons
Never go on a date that violates more than one of the 5 Cs. (One C alone is pushing it)
Get better logistics/more options
Get bigger car lol (I am 6'3" and the back of my sedan isn't ideal)
Questions
Should I have framed against her playing the first date off? I tried to be nonchalant about it and you see how that worked.
Should I have set up Date 2 for after Easter, instead of trying to cram it in the way I did?
Should I have escalated all the way on Date 1? She was so inexperienced. Yes I am 100% sure, she was the epitome of everything Chase mentioned in his Inexperienced Girls article. Guess it would be pretty awesome to take a super virgin all the way like that.
Any comments or questions welcome. I'm over the experience but really want to figure out where I screwed the pooch.
Thanks for reading too, I went into a lot of detail for both my reference and anyone who is willing to read it all
Onward and Upward,
Ambiance
Seems like there haven't been many LRs lately. Hate not being able to get a new one up. Guess I could post one of my older LRs if I get around to it.
This happened over two weeks ago, but it still is giving me pause.
Skip to The Date if you don't want background, I went into a lot of detail. Questions are at the bottom
Met GB (German Brunette) on a plane. 5' 7", really cute, small breasts, excellent figure. Didn't have any makeup on and still looked good.
She was sitting in the middle seat and the aisle seat was open, which was bizarre, but also an opportunity. I took the seat and smiled at her, and started talking to her within a few moments. Her English was decent, but not spectacular. Nevertheless she was very open to me and we ended up talking the entirety of the flight. I did a good job of deep diving her, touched her a fair amount, got a few chase frames in, and came up for air when necessary. Was proud of my effort. She seemed to like me, and would blush when I would tease/compliment her, and I suggested we hang out halfway through the flight. Got her Whatsapp, and kept talking the rest of the flight. Smooth as a seal. Parted ways well, and she responded very enthusiastically to my ice-breaker text. Good so far.
Texted her the next day and tried to arrange a date. She was busy over the weekend but made sure to let me know when we could see each other. We texted a bit back and forth, and at one point she started going into some problems she is having with her host family (she is doing an au pair arrangement) and knowing how to handle this I stopped her and told her to tell me in person. Don't want to be her texting buddy lol.
We set a date for Thursday, a week after meeting. I am living with my Catholic, super conservative father atm, who hates the idea of me sleeping around and "seducing girls", and he was in town so I used the opportunity to try flaking on the date. May have been too apologetic when I let her know I couldn't make it. What do you guys think is the best way to handle flaking? Rescheduled for that Sunday, and I began to prepare.
The problem was, she is staying about 25 minutes away from me, but that's in my special case (I drive very fast. You guys would not believe how much over the speed limit I drive and get away with) and there is construction, so the distance is about 45 minutes away in her case.This will be important later. Now before you guys tell me that I need to forget about girls who live far away and that I should have more abundance, the problem is that I am living with my dad and literally can't go out meeting girls without getting booted out (he REALLY hates the idea of me sleeping around, and this has been a source of contention between us.) So at this point, I take every chance I can get (I'll be on my own again in August).
I drive over 30 minutes beforehand. Am wearing well-fitted jeans, my cowboy boots, my maroon v-neck from guess, and my usual cross necklace and Celtic ring. I scope out the area, since I plan on getting it on in my car. I get to the cafe we were meeting at first, and feel all the girls check me out when I walk in.
The Date
She arrives 5 minutes later. She looks really good- this time she wears makeup and her outfit is really put together. Give her an intimate hug, we get smoothies,and talk for about ten minutes. I get her warmed up, and then bring her to my car where we go get pizza. The place I wanted to take her to had a 40 minute wait, so we improvised and found another pizza place. I pay, she protests, and tell her she can pay wherever we go later, which she happily agrees to. We talk, and I do a good bit of fractionation.
By the time she is finished eating, I have her in good spirits, and I tell her we are going for a drive. My sprezzatura wasn't perfect during the transition: I go out of my way to open her car door, along with a somewhat fumbled door open when we left the pizza place. I did correct it and made sure I was effortless the rest of the night.
Earlier that day I had scoped out this high school I used to go to speech tournaments at (and was the site where I came SUPER CLOSE 2 years ago to getting my own "That One Special Girl" who led me to discover Girlschase, after putting her into auto-rejection a few months prior. ARGH that still eats at me.).
Escalation
I took GB to the abandoned parking lot, and told her a small part of my history at that high school. We kept talking, and I ramped up tension with powerful eye contact and very direct compliments. GB was out of her league. I then reached over to kiss her, and she protested at first but very quickly melted and got into it. I fractionated, kissed her some more, and repeat. Eventually moved her into the back of my car, where we got more into it. I found out that she had only kissed one guy before me, and had never made out with someone, much less anything else. She apologizes for this haha, and I reassure her that I love inexperienced girls.
My escalation is very smooth up until I get a hand under her shirt and start to feel her tits. I could sense her alarm but went for it anyway, silly mistake. She protests, saying we only just met. I back away, and keep push-pulling my escalation to the point where she is completely comfortable with me feeling her tits (A good trick is feeling her breasts underneath her bra though still outside her shirt, and then going under the shirt.) I meet more resistance when I feel her pussy, but overcome this by using my knee to get under the radar and after I get past her boob barrier. When I try to get my hand in her pants she stops me completely and says that we are going too fast. I actually agree with her. Maybe this was a mistake, but in the moment I decided that it was too fast for her to go from having only pecked a guy to sleeping with me within 90 minutes. I tell her that I'm doing the best I can to control myself and that she is very sexy, and she blushes, but I don't try anything for the rest of our time together.
We kiss for about 30 minutes more, and then I stop and we start talking. She suggests we get a coke. We end up going to a bar and along with a coke get some food. We talk for 45 minutes or so and then I have to go, since my dad thinks I am doing something else and expects me home within 30 minutes. We get in the car, I drive her to her host parent's car, and she thanks me for a wonderful night and kisses me passionately. I end the kiss and tell her the pleasure was mine. As she gets out of the car, she turns around and kisses me again just as enthusiastically. She gets out, I wave, and I drive off.
So you would think everything went great right? I sure did. I text her later that night:
A: Was great hanging out with you tonight
hope you made it home okGB: Hey
ja I am safe at home. Thanks for practicing some kissing was nice hanging out with you tooGB: Whats your father thinking when you go out with girls? *Smiling emoji with the water droplet on the side* (I had mentioned that my dad doesn't like me dating and that I have to lie to him)
A: He thought i was with some friends in Boulder *Laughing crying emoji*
A: He also travels a lot which gives me some freedom
GB: Haha and he trust in you
A: *Winking emoji* I'm gonna get some sleep, sweet dreams GB
GB: You too
Was a little skeptical about her comment on "practicing kissing" but didn't worry about it.
Two days later I sent this beauty:
A: Hey GB! Hope your week is off to a good start and those host parents aren't too crazy... Was thinking we could hang out tomorrow night if you're free. Let me know if that works!
(Was going for a date-compression themed whirlwind seduction, plus Easter was that weekend and with my Dad situation it was see her that night or don't see her for over a week, and I didn't want her emotions to fade. Tough situation)
GB: Yes that would probably work... But just hang out as friends *Laughing emoji* it was going a little fast last time.. I actually don't want that much, hope you have attention for that *winking tongue sticking emoji*
(Damn it!) I try to mirror her investment, can't be needy and I didn't want to frame battle over a texting medium
A: I don't want that much either, way too busy. Just friends
will you have your car Wednesday night?We then set up a date. I tell her to come to my area this time (I didn't know she had a car until our first date, and would have arranged things different had I known she could drive to me)
However, because of the construction and the rush hour, it showed as a 45 minute drive on her maps app. She has a curfew and because of the language barrier I had a hard time communicating that it wasn't really 45 minutes, and that she would have enough time to come see me after she got off at 7 PM. So I ended up agreeing to meet her halfway at a DQ. Probably should have just canceled by then, as we were backtracking and it removed the convenience and control aspects of a good date. Fuck me.
Second Date
More trouble struck. Her host parents, whose car she was borrowing, got home 40 minutes late, so I ended up driving all the way up there in rush hour just to see her, since the night was running out. I got to the new place first, and when she got there she had only mascara, her hair in a bun, and I could tell she hadn't put a ton of effort into her outfit. Bad sign. I chalk it up to her working and not having time to get ready, and she gets ice cream. I had mine already. The near desolate store got a huge line in between our arrivals, so it took ten minutes for her to get her snack. We talk a bit, but I can tell she is resistant to my vibe. I push forward anyway, and we go for a drive, with me trying to find a park to get comfortable and seal the deal. This ends up being a disaster, since I don't know the area. We eventually go to McDonalds. The vibe is still platonic. After some fries we get in my car, and I give her sexy eyes and let the conversation die off, but she calls me out correctly thinking I want to kiss her. I try for an uncoordinated manhandle kiss but she fights me off, saying that kissing should be something for a boyfriend and girlfriend only, and that she doesn't want a relationship. I get knotted up trying to get her to kiss me without framing against her innocent view (since I am really drawn to it) and not positioning myself as a boyfriend, and this fails miserably. I end up telling her that I'm not the type of guy who she wants as a friend. She suggests leaving, and I tell her that she probably should, hoping that she will recant out of fear of losing me. She opens the door (the McD's was next to the DQ, and her car) and gives me an awkward hug, tells me that I will find someone else, and leaves.
It seemed like a complete reversal. I thought I had played her so well, and it blew up in my face.
Lessons
Never go on a date that violates more than one of the 5 Cs. (One C alone is pushing it)
Get better logistics/more options
Get bigger car lol (I am 6'3" and the back of my sedan isn't ideal)
Questions
Should I have framed against her playing the first date off? I tried to be nonchalant about it and you see how that worked.
Should I have set up Date 2 for after Easter, instead of trying to cram it in the way I did?
Should I have escalated all the way on Date 1? She was so inexperienced. Yes I am 100% sure, she was the epitome of everything Chase mentioned in his Inexperienced Girls article. Guess it would be pretty awesome to take a super virgin all the way like that.
Any comments or questions welcome. I'm over the experience but really want to figure out where I screwed the pooch.
Thanks for reading too, I went into a lot of detail for both my reference and anyone who is willing to read it all
Onward and Upward,
Ambiance
