Tournament FRC: The Snatch Tournament: June

[tvktvk]

Since last post I have 16 p from 16 sets. Could have gotten a few numbers, but since it's night game I'm going for the lay. Check out the journal for more on the outings.

I'm gonna count the tinder number I got 2 weeks ago and clock me at 33 + 16 = 49 p so far. Goal is to hit 100 by the end of the tournament.

tvktvk

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Got a lay last night. Will have report up soon.

 

[Smurf]

Made another approach and picked up a number.

Total of 8 for me,

Jake

 

[Big Daddy]

This is a great idea. I'm super in next month, but I figured that since this would be a pain in the ass to calculate and keep track, so I made a spreadsheet for you:

Sweet ass spreadsheet

It's anonymous so you can edit by yourselves from now on. It's not complete, I just plugged in some values to see if it worked.

But before you update it, I should lay down some more specific rules for it to work properly. These are entirely based on Jake's original rules.

Tournament & spreadsheet filling rules

• These are ONLY valid for girls you didn't know before 06/05/2015; That was discussed somewhere in the last month thread, but wasn't mentioned here;
• Each girl is worth a number of points that are proportional to how far you've taken the interaction. The progression goes like this: approach (1 point) > get number (3 points) > go on a date (5 points) > kiss (10 points) > foreplay w/o oral (15 points) > oral (25 points) > sex (50 points).
• So you don't stack points for the same girl. Let's say you meet Girl #1 and Girl #2. Each one of them is worth 1 point now. But then you take Girl #1 on a date and fail to move things forward with Girl #2. So Girl #1 is now worth 5 points, whereas Girl #2 is worth 1 point for a total of 6 points.
• The only way to keep earning points from the same girl is moving the interaction FORWARD; This means that if you kissed Girl #1 and failed to go forward from there and next week you managed to kiss her again, she is still worth 10 points.
• Because of this, when filling in the spreadsheet you must pay attention when a girl moves from an interaction slot to another. So if you met Girl #1 on week 1, managed to kiss her, you put her (+1) under the "Kiss" column. But then on week 4 managed to bed her, so you have to move her from the "Kiss" column to the "Sex" column. For that reason, you must delete your previous entry for whatever girl you progressed with. In this case, you'd remove one girl (-1) from "Kiss" and add one girl to "Sex" (+1)
• The only field you to NOT have to remove a girl from even if you move things forward is "Approach". The spreadsheet takes that into account and sums correctly your points. Plus, what's cool about this is "out of X girls I approached this months, I managed to get Y dates and Z lays" so it would be lame if we had to delete "approaches";

I want you to read this again:

Because of this, when filling in the spreadsheet you must pay attention when a girl moves from an interaction slot to another. So if you met Girl #1 on week 1, managed to kiss her, you put her (+1) under the "Kiss" column. But then on week 4 managed to bed her, so you have to move her from the "Kiss" column to the "Sex" column. For that reason, you must delete your previous entry for whatever girl you progressed with. In this case, you'd remove one girl (-1) from "Kiss" and add one girl to "Sex" (+1)

Since there is no fixed order in how things have to progress aside from approaching being the first thing to happen (you can approach a girl and move her to an alley and fuck here there without ever getting her number or going to a date OR you can approach and take her number, go on a date and fuck her and in both cases you got yourself 50 points), you have to keep in mind in which slot a specific girl is.

Real life examples of spreadsheet filling and double checking calculations

In this section, I'll look for examples of people that logged their progress here and double check their calculations using the spreadsheet. I mean no hate.

Anatman

5 approaches today, one of which turned into an instadate [...].

5 points for approaches + 10 points for two dates = 15. 45 points total.

Hector had 30 points before posting this. He then met 5 new girls, so that's 5 girls that are worth 1 points each, so +5 points total. But he dated one, so she's worth 5 points now, plus the 4 other girls he met, for a total of 9 points in this post of his.

He also mentions another date, which I'm guessing is from one of his approaches. So -1 point for moving a girl out of "Approach" and +5 for putting her on "Date" (the spreadsheet makes calculations for moving girls out of "approach" automatically, but for approach only. You should do the the rest by hand). So that +4 points to a 13 points total. He already had 30 points, so that's 43 points, not 45.

Raqimus

Approaches: 12+3+8+14=37
Numbers: 4+2+3= 27
Kiss's: 2+2= 40
Foreplay w/o oral:1 = 15

So Raqimus got 37 approaches and thus 37 points. Out of those 37, he managed to get the number of 9 girls. So 9 of those girls are not worth 1 point anymore, but 3. Plug 9 on "Kisses" column on the spreadsheet. So we got 28 girls that are worth 1 point each, and 9 girls that are worth 3 points each. Total: 55. Then out of those 9 girls, he kissed 4 of them. So 4 of those girls were moved to "Kiss" and got 7 extra points each (10 - 3 = 7) to a total of 83 points. On the spreadsheet: -4 girls on "Numbers" and +4 girls on "Kisses". Then one of them got foreplay w/o oral earning him more (15 - 10 = 5) 5 points to a total of 88, not 119. Tied with Hector after we factor his lay! Who's gonna get this one?

Raqimus' broken down stats and how he would fill in them in the spreadsheet end up like this:

Approaches: 37 (put all approaches in there; the spreadsheet automatically removes one point when you put girls in other slots)
Numbers: 5
Kisses: 3
Foreplay w/o Oral: 1
Total points: 88

About Tinder and other dating apps

And I think we should not take Tinder and other apps/websites into consideration for a couple of reasons:

• It would fuck the spreadsheet because it needs a base value to calculate points on (approaches);
• It would almost be the same if a friend gave you the numbers from all the hot girls on his class, with the advantage of her liking you already (it doesn't count as approach);
• This can easily inflate the amount of numbers you get
• The objective of healthy competitions like this is collectively push boundaries, and (I think) that in this case, is to get people on the streets approaching and forcing themselves to bed girls they meet ASAP. It doesn't make sense to count other dating apps/websites as valid numbers closes and dates

Don't forget to log here every time you edit the sheet

Since everyone can edit, someone might fuck your numbers. This is why you need to log them here when you edit there. It also make easier for double checking them at the end of the month.

You don't need to factor points for each progression since the spreadsheet will give you the total 100% correctly. But you need (really guys, make it easy for us all to keep track of your progress) to write what actions happened since your last update. So if you met Y new girls and got A new kisses, you write:

Y new approaches + X approaches before = X +Y approaches
A new kisses + B kisses before = A + B kisses
Total points as of now: Z

PS: why sets of 4 girls and 1 girl are worth the same? Sets of multiple girls are trickier, so I think it should be counted proportionally. Set of 4 girls = 4 points

 

[snipefield]

Guys, I don't have much experience with instadates, so please let me know.

I met a chick at the bus stop. When we got on the bus, I told her to sit with me and we chatted for 15 minutes. May be a silly question, but does that count?

Cheers

 

[ray_zorse]

Not sure if I should be jumping in here since I'm sitting it out (planning on doing homeless pickup next month which means a shitload of approaching, but I might not be in the comp since updating and calculating takes a bit of time which is difficult when you're homeless and trying to be 100% in the moment)... but for what it's worth
(1) I'd like to see the points redefined so that instead of say 3 lpoints for a number we say 2 points to upgrade an approach to a number, the actual score would still be the same, but the calculation easier since this is typically how they are applied in practice (unless you are Anatman or Richard and you happen to see an opening for approach-to-lay hehe). Would just have to remember e.g. for an insta date to upgrade it to a number first, even if you didn't actually get a number. Once you get into the higher points categories (kisses and finger bangs etc) this might be a PITA, I don't know. But, Big Daddy, I think the spreadsheed should work one way or the other, not the hybrid scheme you described -- approaches shouldn't be treated differently than other points categories should they?
(2) Snipefield, if you move the girl anywhere it's an insta date, that definitely counts IMO.
(3) If you progress with a girl you knew earlier I don't see any oroblem with including in current tournament, it's just re-dates, re-kisses, re-lays etc that don't count.
(4) I have no real opinion on Tinder since I don't use it, but I'd say if she hooks on Tinder that's an approach. Mass mailing 100 chicks with a cheesy pickup line isn't 100 points tho. I have a problem knowing where to draw the line in real life cos I just go around saying cocky shit to people for fun, but I'd say if you never get her full attention on you, and you didn't try hard to get it, that's not an approach (a freezeout is an approach though, as long as she's purposely freezing you out, cos you tried to get her full attention).

Ray

 

[Big Daddy]

Actually, that's precisely what's confusing everyone. I was thought it was easier to calculate this as an upgrade and this is how I calculated this by hand to make sure the spreadsheet was OK.

And yes, approaches counts as "upgrades" on the spreadsheet too - but there isn't a way to calculate automatically the upgrades for all actions but the approaches, since it's always the first one and obligatory to happen. The other ones might happen chaotically. You might meet 5 girls, 1 number and get 1 oral, but that doesn't mean that in order to get the oral you had to get a number, kiss her and obviously get to mess around with her but NOT get oral. But it DOES necessarily mean that that number and that oral came from a girl out of the 5 you approached, but any of the other action does not necessarily have to happen before sex. Hence, the only thing that the spreadsheet considers as an "upgrade" is approach to something else.

And I wanted to leave the total approach count unchanged because it's cool to see that you DO have to stack high quantities of approaches to get kisses and orals regarless of you level with woman. Sure, Hector managed to do it with 25 approaches and many of us would need 50 to do it, but you don't fuck a girl for every 3 you meet. We only read the reports and that might cover all the approaches that eventually led to the lay. This might be an eye opener for beginners specially. Plus I think it is cool to have approach-to-kiss or approach-to-date logged.

@ your 4th point: well, yeah, since it's hard to draw that line, why don't we stick to meeting people on the streets as "approaches"?

 

[Raqimus]

Raqimus

Approaches: 12+3+8+14=37
Numbers: 4+2+3= 27
Kiss's: 2+2= 40
Foreplay w/o oral:1 = 15

So Raqimus got 37 approaches and thus 37 points. Out of those 37, he managed to get the number of 9 girls. So 9 of those girls are not worth 1 point anymore, but 3. Plug 9 on "Kisses" column on the spreadsheet. So we got 28 girls that are worth 1 point each, and 9 girls that are worth 3 points each. Total: 55. Then out of those 9 girls, he kissed 4 of them. So 4 of those girls were moved to "Kiss" and got 7 extra points each (10 - 3 = 7) to a total of 83 points. On the spreadsheet: -4 girls on "Numbers" and +4 girls on "Kisses". Then one of them got foreplay w/o oral earning him more (15 - 10 = 5) 5 points to a total of 88, not 119. Tied with Hector after we factor his lay! Who's gonna get this one?

Raqimus' broken down stats and how he would fill in them in the spreadsheet end up like this:

Approaches: 37 (put all approaches in there; the spreadsheet automatically removes one point when you put girls in other slots)
Numbers: 5
Kisses: 3
Foreplay w/o Oral: 1
Total points: 88

Nope Bid daddy my points are 156 after adding 119 and 37, just realized I put 199 by mistake... I'm already removing the girls from the approach slot and adding them to the other before I write them down. For instance, it says 37 Approaches, and 5 numbers. That means I approached 37 girls who I got nothing from and there were 5 other girls I approached who I got numbers from. So if I had all the approaches it would be 42 approaches not 37 ya feel me?

As of this week sitting at
Approaches:36 x 1
Numbers:10 x 3
Kisses:1 x 10
In total that's 47 Approaches. Adding up the points its 36+ 30+ 10 =76. Adding that 76 to my 156 gives me 232.

 

[Big Daddy]

Ah, got it, my bad. That's the reason I feel we should keep the approaches intact, so we can compare that in the end. "Out of X approaches, I got this and that."

I tried to update that on the spreadsheet but I got confused. You might wanna plug in your numbers there to see if they match, but don't forget to put the total number of approaches and not only those that didn't pan out.

EDIT: Just figured it out. Didn't see you had another week before that post. It's on the spreadsheet. So you got 116 approaches in the end, right?

 

[Smurf]

Fully support the spreadsheet, but I feel it should be optional.

It would make it easier for me to calculate and read, and once competition gets more fierce, it'll be way more convenient to just go through it like that.

Although, I personally like to just do it mentally and figure out my total and put it down at the end of a post.

We're all big boys here, we can maths. If you wanna use aspreadsheet, go ahead. If not, don't.

All I ask is you put your POINT VALUES SOMEWHERE CLEARLY SO I CAN SEE THEM.

Raqimus was confusing at first but I figured it was a typo. I didn't bother pointing it out because it was an easy error to uncover.

Basically though, a reminder, points do not stack. Regardless. Don't be lazy and not subtract where you obviously need to.

Example: you meet Girl1 and Girl2. You kiss girl one and bed Girl2, but this goes on through a series of days. It's 60 points. Regardless of when you got either of their numbers, Dates, you get 60 points.

That's the point, to reach the goal, not the checkpoints in between.

Anyways, got three more approaches today so I'm at 11 total.

That was probably confusing so ask away.

Jake.

 

[Big Daddy]

Yup. Just wanted to make a system that's easy to follow for those who don't want to stress over it. I pretty much prefer just plug the values and be done with it. I did it for me and figured you guys would benefit from it as well.

(Not just you that are competing; a thread like this is valuable for the entire community. It was only after I put the numbers on the spreadsheet and compared the numbers side to side that I realized that Raqimus approached 116 girls in 3 weeks and got over 20 numbers (!) and that Hector managed to get a lay with 25 approaches and that motivated the hell out of me to do the same.)

 

[tvktvk]

Hey guys,

Since last post I've done very little gaming, been busy with family and friends. I also started my summer job as a sales rep a few days ago. I've only been out in the field two days but so far it's been a GREAT learning experience and I believe it will help me improve my seduction skills tremendously. Elements that are heavily emphasized are good openings, body language, compliance, deep dive, persistence, and small talk (pull talk). Also having the right mindsets like being able to put the customer at ease and make them truly believe that the product will add value to them are vital. It's extremely similar to seduction, only difference is that you don't add the sexual undertones to your interactions.

5 p since last post, puts me at 54 p total. Check out my journal for details.

tvktvk

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Got another lay.

Also, about 46 approaches, 4 numbers (not included in the 50 approach count), 2 dates (not included before). I'll have the lay report up before July and it'll be combined with the other lay report, probably.

- Hector

 

[snipefield]

6/18 - 6/27 evening:
42 approaches (42 pts)
8 numbers (24 pts)
2 dates (10 pts)
1 foreplay (15)
= 91 points
91 + 94 from 1-st half of month = 185 points

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Just got another lay last night, plus a number, and 4 approaches (not included in these counts). Gonna have to get those reports out quick or these won't count.

I'll be close to 300 or so points once I get the reports up, so you guys better pick it up. A few more days

 

[Smurf]

Got seven numbers, one of which I made out with and made out with another girl along with that.

that's 38, plus my 11, 49 for me.

Jake.

 

[Lover]

Is The Snatch Tournament also going down in July?

a-jay

 

[Smurf]

Hell yeah it is!

Got another number and made two more approaches yesterday, bringin me to 5 more, 54 total.

Get those points/reports in today!

Jake.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

2 approaches yesterday, 1 number. Still writing the LRs.

- Hector

 

[Raqimus]

My comp froze so im a few mins late, anyway approaches 37, numbers 5, dates 1

37+15+5= 57

57 + 232 = 289... Just shy of 300.

There were things I fucked up on and will do better, lets keep it goin next month.