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Getting Dates But Not Laid

Atlas

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Hey studs, I hope everyone's day/evening/night is going well and filled with fine ass women. So, I have a question that I'm hoping you all can help me out with. Recently, I've been going on tons of dates (at least one per week), and for the love of god I cannot turn them into lays. I'm doing everything I know to make it work but can't. I've been hitting escalation windows, persisting and not chasing, using touch escalation ladders instead of just going for the fun stuff, etc. but I can't finish the "last 5%". It's like I almost get there every time but it just falls through. Any advice on how to push past this or improve on this aspect would be helpful. I know how to deal with LMR but I've just been striking out super hard and its mad frustrating. Thanks in advice

Keep It Real,
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mindful

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are you getting them back to your place and then your escalation falls flat and ends up with them leaving?
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Atlas

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Hey Mindful, I actually just read a post that you commented on with a guy having a similar problem, although his was primarily getting second dates (also kinda mine too). But to answer your question yeah. Usually I get ice cream with whatever girl I go out with and after about 20-30 mins I invite them back to my place to which they almost always enthusiastically say yes to. Then I throw on a movie (sometimes in my room, sometimes in my living room) and make a joke about they’re so far away and then I put my arm around them and pull them closer. It’s funny how methodical it is because I do almost the exact same thing with every girl haha. But just as Chase recommends to go for the kiss about 10-20 mins in to which I get mixed receptions. I usually just joke about it if they reject it or if they don’t then i push further. But so far basically every attempt has just led with the girl repeatedly refusing my advances and then leaving after the movie as well as not resulting in a second date. I find this weird because at the point of getting them to my place I would be pretty sure almost all of the girls would agree to a second date if I were to end it at that point. So there’s something in between getting to my apartment and the end of the interaction that I’m fucking up. With the most recent girl I would argue that I didn’t disqualify myself as a boyfriend candidate enough because she def wasn’t looking to hookup but was all touchy feely. So that’s a long winded answer to your question but I hope that gives a little more detail. My first post was def a little vague. Thanks for the response
 

Seppuku

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Atlas,

If you want accurate answers, you will need to post a more detailed example. But if you're saying that you bring her home after 20 minutes of face time, then go for the kiss after another 20 minutes, I want to suggest that you are not building enough psychological comfort. Take your time. Sit with her at your date place, and ask about her. Listen to her story. Ask more details. Be genuinely interested in what she has to say. The more she talks, the more comfortable she gets with you. THEN bring home and escalate.

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mindful

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I mean I’ve gotten girls back to my place and not had sex with them. It’s quite frustrating. I’ve been seeing this one girl that I got back to my place twice and didn’t close the deal... but I was able to finger her and lick her tits and have her grind my cock sitting on top of me when my pants pulled down. Chicks can have super control even when it’s clear they are really turned on.

Anyways, yeah I agree with seppuku... going back to your place after 20-30mins is pretty quick. My guess is you need to build more a connection and deep dive as well. Try to aim for an hour / hour and a half before pulling.
 

lostnumber

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Atlas said:
Hey Mindful, I actually just read a post that you commented on with a guy having a similar problem, although his was primarily getting second dates (also kinda mine too). But to answer your question yeah. Usually I get ice cream with whatever girl I go out with and after about 20-30 mins I invite them back to my place to which they almost always enthusiastically say yes to. Then I throw on a movie (sometimes in my room, sometimes in my living room) and make a joke about they’re so far away and then I put my arm around them and pull them closer. It’s funny how methodical it is because I do almost the exact same thing with every girl haha. But just as Chase recommends to go for the kiss about 10-20 mins in to which I get mixed receptions. I usually just joke about it if they reject it or if they don’t then i push further. But so far basically every attempt has just led with the girl repeatedly refusing my advances and then leaving after the movie as well as not resulting in a second date. I find this weird because at the point of getting them to my place I would be pretty sure almost all of the girls would agree to a second date if I were to end it at that point. So there’s something in between getting to my apartment and the end of the interaction that I’m fucking up. With the most recent girl I would argue that I didn’t disqualify myself as a boyfriend candidate enough because she def wasn’t looking to hookup but was all touchy feely. So that’s a long winded answer to your question but I hope that gives a little more detail. My first post was def a little vague. Thanks for the response

If they are leaving after the movie and giving you mixed receptions when you try and kiss them, that tells me that they are uncomfortable and that you likely are being too aggressive without building enough rapport. I find that especially to be true based on the timeframes you are laying out. 20 minutes is a very short amount of time to get to know someone, and its likely you aren't connecting with the women enough before you try to make your move. I would recommend either making your dates longer either by staying at the ice cream shop longer, planning a different date with a longer timeframe such as a dinner, or making your date template a 3 step approach where you get them to follow you from the ice cream location to some other location for 30 minutes or so, such as a nearby park, before you pull them back to your place.

With my date setup I always go out for dinner with a girl, and I used to bring her to an intermediate bar before pulling her back to my place. Eventually I realized I could pull directly back to my place after 1 stop and save time, but we have usually spent minimum 1-2 hours getting to know each other and having a few drinks by that point. The reason I do dinner is mostly because at the times I'm available to meet girls I'm typically hungry and need dinner, not because doing dinner is inherently superior to doing ice-cream or some other type of meetup.
 

ThePhoenix

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Atlas,

Have you thought about changing up the pretense you're using to get the girl home? You mention doing the same thing over and over. It seems to me, if what you're doing isn't working, you should try varying things. I agree with the other commenters that you may need to build more connection, and I'm wondering if maybe throwing on a movie is sabotaging that!

I know for me personally, movies are extremely distracting. I cannot hold a conversation with a person while a movie is on; I just end up getting sucked into the movie and can barely tolerate even being talked to because I'll miss the details of the movie. Well, maybe not if it's a movie I've seen a few dozen times, but even then, it's still distracting.

Basically, when two people are watching a movie, those two people are not engaged with each other. They are just two essentially separate people, each separately engaged with the sum of the movie's screenwriter, cinematographer, actors, director and editor. In my opinion it is not generally all that conducive to seduction, although I realize some people do have makeout sessions whilst watching movies. (I have no idea how they do it, I never could.)

The pretense I use to bring girls home is also rather distracting, although at least they're engaged with my own work so it's not quite as bad. But it's still bad, and the first time I brought a girl home on that excuse, I realized it was not helping me. She asked me too many questions about the thing she was seeing and I could not direct the conversation to get her to talk about herself, or even escalate very easily. So the second girl I switched things up.

I still invited the next girl home on the same pretense, but then I just sat her on the couch and started talking to her and we talked for quite some time, getting her to open up, before my even bringing her into the other room to see what she had come for. I have a lot of trouble being physically bold with girls so I didn't escalate nearly enough, but she largely didn't resist what I did do and it's clear to me that I readily could have and probably would've ended up fucking her right there on the couch if only I'd been a little smoother, bolder and more persistent. Before ever showing her what she had come to see.

And as others have pointed out, there's also a time issue. I'd generally have the girl talking an hour or so at the date spot, and then again some more at home.

Another thing that I'm not sold on, although admittedly I still have to perfect my own routine a lot, is kissing a girl before sex is imminent or happening. Some of the most experienced members allude to kissing being potentially counter-productive by releasing the sexual tension too early, whereas you want it to be released through sex! I think in some way we're culturally conditioned into thinking kissing is an essential part of the progression to sex but I'm not convinced it has to be. Now, other experienced guys do sometimes advocate kissing in advance of sex, so it's a bit of an open question and probably depends on many factors, but certainly it's value is debatable so it's at least worth trying sometimes to not kiss and seeing what works better for you, rather than just operating on the assumtion of "I must kiss her".

Some ideas to try out, anyway!

Phoenix
 

lostnumber

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Just to opine in on the kissing thing, the important thing is not to kiss BEFORE you have an opportunity to escalate (IE when you are still at the park getting icecream or whatever.) I think most successful seducers would agree that kissing during escalation at your apartment is a natural and important part of the process
 

Atlas

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Hey Seppuku, I have a more detailed report here: https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19460 if you want to check it out. I honestly feel like I do a decent job of building a solid connection, but maybe due to the time constraints I have placed on the dates I could be rushing some things. I'll definitely give it a shot. I just get bored of talking and want to get the fun stuff, so sometimes I might be a little over-eager haha.

Lostnumber, thanks for the response. I think a multi-phased approach might help. The change of venue would probably help mix things up and keep the convo fresh. I'll have to experiment with that as well.

ThePhoenix, I draw a lot of blanks when it comes to figuring out date ideas. I just like ice cream because it's close to where I live and cheap, but I have experimented with things like mini golf before. The movie date might be hindering me, like I said I just really suck with date ideas. I do really like the idea of not kissing a girl before sex though. That could be a fun thing to play around with, I haven't even thought of it. Much like the rest of society probably thinks, I view kissing as more or less a "stepping stone" to sex but I think your idea might have some merit.

Anyways if you all want to check out the link above in Seppuku's comment it's more detailed and might fill in some blanks to things you guys might have questions to. Thanks!

-Atlas
 
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