LR Gina and BlackDragon's system

[Seppuku]

Girls Chase's same day lay model has worked very well for me, and should be learned first and foremost. However there are cases where I know that it won't be possible to push for a same day. It's the case for example if the date is set late in evening and she works the next day, so not enough time. It's also probably better with older single women (late 30s) who tend to exhibit higher ASD. This Lay Report is my first successful attempt at replicating BlackDragon's two-dates system. A first short date, around one hour, strong lover vibe, where you build tension with deep dive, some sex talk, eyes contact and measured kino... getting her excited about you, but not too much, and without releasing the tension. Then a second date at home with full escalation to sex. The goal is to reduce chances of ASD.

Gina. Approach on WeChat and setting up meeting.
It's Monday, Dec 7, and I have been very lazy lately regarding pick-up, I'm a little concerned I might lose some of my new acquired skills. There is an upwards spiral once you start accumulate some successes with girls... But I don't want to experience any downward spiral once you start losing it. So... Time for action. I open my WeChat. This chat app had a nice feature called People Nearby that allows to discover people around you and engage them into chat. I take a new approach. I open maybe 12 girls with a simple message “Interesting ”, trying to build on curiosity. Got 3 responses, out of the three there is one who seems really into me. Her name is Gina, she's 36, and lives not too far off from me, does not have one of those stupid curfews imposed on girls by companies here.

I chat her the next day sporadically, and tease her with the view from my flat (am in 22nd floor). As she expresses interest, I test for a possible quick lay and suggest we have a drink at my place some time. She says “I don’t know yet”, which means basically, not enough comfort yet. OK so that will be a good occasion to try BlackDragon's two-dates model. I ask if she’s been in the Intercontinental hotel, at Strata (at 55th floor, bar with stunning city view). Then suggest a quick meeting for drinks the same night. Agreed.

The first date
We meet at 8:30, her place. Nice body, quite pretty overall. She put on a dress in spite of the cold. Good. She’s immediately very warm. In the car I briefly touch her leg, around the knee, and pretend I checked if she has stockings - still because of the cold. No she hasn’t. I take her hand briefly as I drive. Then release it.

At the bar now. I took her hand to walk from the car and lead her to the bar. We’re seated, with glasses of white wine. I’m a bit laid back, give her good eye contact (she likes) and I make her talk about her story. Her job here and how she got it. Her dance classes. She’s the one touching me from times to times as she speaks. I take her hand briefly then release. She speaks more. Her ex. 3.5 years with him until last year. He was her first and last (!). "Oh so you came late into 'the thing'". Yes. She’s just turned 36. So she must have been a virgin until 30. Wow.

I bring the topic of sex. “How was it in bed with your ex?” Expression of positive surprise on her face, with the hint of a smile. I explain that I’m very liberal minded etc… She goes on. “It was good. But he liked it more than I did.” Lol. “I was very nice to him” Lol, I smile. I reply “In my experience, it is possible that both the man and woman enjoy it equally”. That was it. I’m not used to sex talk and don’t want to come across as creepy, so enough for now. I think it served its purpose, of painting me as open and comfortable on the topic. Now more escalation. As she speaks, I now caress her hair. When she pays attention I say hair's one thing I like about asian girls. I ask her to remove her coat (she still had it) because I want to see her dress. It’s a sleeveless dress. I run my hand up and down along her arm and appreciate the smoothness of skin. “You like my skin?” “I do” and continue. Occasionally now I touch also her bare leg. Her skin is very smooth, so nice. No problem with touching the leg. She shows me the red top she wears beneath the dress, bringing my attention to her boobs. I can sense her excitement. I touch her belly as we discuss her fat days and diet, it doesn’t show. All the time I kept a pretty relaxed and strong frame I think. She brought the topic of my ex girlfriend and ex wife. I handled it, just enough. Overall she did most of the talking. And all my touch routine happens in the background as we are discussing.

Time to go (only one hour). We take a tour of the windows and admire the view. She’s curious about where I live, I show her. We’re side to side, I’m very close to her. We walk back to the car hand in hand. I want to walk her to the passenger side of my car, but she says she’ll manage. “Really? You’re a grown up now? Are you coming of age?” smiles. “Yes, I’m 18”. She’s very close to me now, and she goes for a quick kiss. OMG it’s usually me. I guess I did a good job at building the tension. As I drive I keep a strong frame and continue normally through the conversation. My hand is now constantly on her bare leg, above the knee. Her hand on mine, she’s caressing the back of my hand. As she’s about to leave the car, she’s again the one who goes for the kiss. When I’m back home, she hasn’t texted me. I could wait more that she texts first but needless to risk it become an issue. So I text her that I’m home now, and good night. She responds ten minutes later so she was busy with something else (maybe chatting her sister). She says something like "Oh, I didn't kiss you well " and I tell her the kiss was alright.

The second date
Easy as pie, no resistance now. The next day I ask about her plans on weekend. “None so far”. “Let’s cook. What do you like to eat?” Haha great one. “That would be a lovely invitation”. “Let’s do it”. We agree on meeting Friday after 5pm. It’s going to be fish and rice with tomatoes. Plus the grandiose fuck anticipated.

On Friday, very little exchange in the morning to make sure the date is happening as expected, then silence. At 5pm I’m there and pick her up. We go straight to my place. I start cooking and get her to help me. Bottle of white wine opened, dinner ready. She likes it. Dinner done. 6:30pm, in the sofa, we kiss, I first touch her tits, then let my hand wander under her top on her belly. She quickly has her hand on my dick. Oh an enthusiast! She takes charge of operations, I help her unbuckling my belt, she extracts my dick and suck it good. Hungry woman! Little later we’re both naked on my bed. She’s on her third day of period but I don’t notice anything. Her body is nice, her skin is soft, and she enjoys making love a lot. We fuck for about one hour. I initially hold myself and give her an orgasm, then we do several positions. It’s me coming, simultaneously to her second orgasm, in the end. It’s only 8 pm. More time together, youtube videos, more wine, I drive her back.

Seems to have worked for me. Total face time before lay, about 3 hours. The pitfall is of course the risk of losing her in between the two dates. For instance if she gets too horny on date one and don't let her, she may autoreject in frustration. That's why it's advanced stuff in my opinion, lots of calibration required. I want to continue to experiment more with this system, and see, for instance, if it gets me a higher retention rate.

 

[lao che]

This is nice. Very smooth and subtle. Sounds like you did a very good job with tension

Personally I like to get to sex before we eat, then dinner serves as a natural break to allow you to recuperate before round 2. Best if you make a curry or something which can sit on the stove as you get down to business.

I've had some success with wechat. I've also Wasted a lot of time talking to girls who were never gonna meet in real life.

 

[Seppuku]

Hey Lao Che,

This is nice. Very smooth and subtle. Sounds like you did a very good job with tension

Thanks man. LOL. Girls just *love* to be touched. It's incredible what you can get away with if you do it correctly, including touching her boobs or her ass. But this two dates model is all about dosing. Here I probably overdone the kino a bit. Key is to keep the first date within one hour I think so as to keep the excitement within reasonable limits.

I've had some success with wechat. I've also Wasted a lot of time talking to girls who were never gonna meet in real life.

Haha yeah, there are so many chat queens out there. One of the things is to quickly identify who's who. I have reviewed my stats, and with the exception of one, all the girls I ended up having a meaningful interaction (FR++, LR- or LR) I was able to setup a face to face meeting within 2 to 4 days of initial contact online. So just some basic get to know chat, a little rapport, making sure she reaches a hook point (she asks about you) then I ask for a real life meet. If the reaction is anything else than "OK, sure" then I downgrade the chat... Keep it up but do not invest too much. Just for the 5% "you never know" cases.

Man, are you based in Asia?

 

[lao che]

yes, sir, i'm in shanghai

 

[ray_zorse]

Good work man, I have been a bit busy lately so hadn't had a chance to read this until now, I liked the fact your touch routine was going on in the background, and how you handled her repeated attempts to kiss you. Her referring to this in a text was a bit random but you seem to have handled that too. Interesting that she had allegedly only one bf and wasn't so enthusiastic about the sex yet turned out to be a total horndog and good at oral to boot. Maybe that stuff was a test. I liked your non judgemental frames, I have not really experimented in this area so it was good you posted some details.

Sounds like you have a lot coming up, Bangkok followed by Vientiane? I had good times in both places, though it was pre GC. On my honeymoon in Bangkok we made friends with another Aussie couple, he got drunk and passed out, and my wife just chilled while I was grinding on other girl and flirting a lot, haha... in Vientiane I met an interesting dude from Singapore who was staying in my hotel, he parked this huge road/trail bike in the reception area (like a Yamaha Tenere 650 or similar) and told me he was doing a circuit of Asia with his wife on the back. Awesome! I want to do it someday. You may also want to check out Luang Prabang (mountain city with a lot of religious background), it was quite touristy and internal flights were expensive, but the night market and the general vibe were awesome. Will you be cold approaching? Or nightgaming? I think there were quite a few bars in Vientiane ranging from seedy to respectable, though I didn't spend any significant time in them. Restaurants were also quite okay. Anyway, break a leg Thanks for the tip on Himeji. I saw it and had a great day out. Seppuku Maru was closed for renovations unfortunately, so I'll have to go back sometime.

Ray

 

[ProblemSolving]

Nice work Seppuku,

Like you mentioned, you have to calibrate when doing the 2 date model. If you spike her buying temperature too high without closing on the first date, she can auto-reject and you never see her again.

Personally, I'd go for the lay on the first date if she's touching you and trying to kiss you. You MIGHT have some LMR, but she clearly wants it to happen, so I wouldn't sweat it. Just something to keep in mind the next time you're on a date with a girl that clearly digs you. Even BD mentions going for the first date lay if she exhibits strong buying signals.

All in all, good read.

 

[Seppuku]

Gents,

Thank you so much for the feedback.

@ProblemSolving

Personally, I'd go for the lay on the first date if she's touching you and trying to kiss you. You MIGHT have some LMR, but she clearly wants it to happen, so I wouldn't sweat it. Just something to keep in mind the next time you're on a date with a girl that clearly digs you. Even BD mentions going for the first date lay if she exhibits strong buying signals.

Fully agree. There was that moment when I took her out of the bar, into my car, and I knew I could pull her home. But it was late and didn't want to risk getting into the "get up early tomorrow" factor. And most importantly, I wanted to know if I could make it work,the data point on the learning curve. Turned out to be worth it, because it's a useful tool in the arsenal. But yes, I could have lost her.

@Ray

Interesting that she had allegedly only one bf and wasn't so enthusiastic about the sex yet turned out to be a total horndog and good at oral to boot. Maybe that stuff was a test.

That's interesting indeed. She exhibits all the traits of a High Sex Drive. Easily aroused and unrestrained sex. And yet a very low mate count. I'm trying to find out if there is no "forgotten past". On my second meet, I engaged her a bit and she repeated again that I was her second guy. Want to clarify. Will try to poll her more.

Sounds like you have a lot coming up, Bangkok followed by Vientiane?

Yep. Bangkok will be fun, no new lay, seeing two recurring girls. In Vientiane it's essentially visiting kids for Christmas and NY. Last time I was there I could line up about three dates each week, but had no place to pull. This time I'll be in a hotel, much better logistics. I'm not into night game. Will have a bit of cold approach, and a bit of online game. I visited Luang Prabang in 1998. Back then there were literally no cars in Laos, lol. Glad to hear you liked the Himeji castle. It is definitely impressive. The Seppuku Maru looked like a well. The dishonored Samurai would give himself the fatal blow in the stomach, but instead of taking hours to pass away, his loyal servant would then finish the job. He would then clean the katana in the well. The charm of Japan