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Seppuku

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I'll call her Ginger because her real name is quite exotic and would be hard to render in English. She's from China Chongqing and I contacted her in WeChat on April 1st. She speaks almost no English at all so she sends me her messages in Chinese and I use the translate function, she does the same with my English text.

Setting up the date
I get to understand that she's here on a brief visit, staying with a friend. Browsing her wall on WeChat I see that just before she was in Dubai, and even before, in Kuwait. Sort of a Middle East tour. We have a very short, playful rapport building and I quickly propose to meet up, for the same evening. From her pictures I see that she took pictures from the Intercontinental hotel, just a few days back, and it's 5 minutes walk from my flat, so I naturally suggest to meet there. Agreed, for 6pm.

I'm there at 6, she's not, and I wait 6:10 to text a simple "Hello". She answers that she went out with a friend and won't be there. I text "OK, next time. Enjoy!" then write her off as a flaked date.

Surprise, she's back to me at around 9:30 pm. "Sorry that we missed the appointment" "You missed a good time with a handsome man ;-) It's OK we make another appointment". We proceed to setup a date on Sunday evening 7pm instead, same place. And that's another case where staying uber cool, not freaking out, helped the whole thing to become possible eventually. In the next two days we have very intermittent and playful banter, necessarily short because of the language issue.

The date
She texts at 6:40pm that she's already arrived. I'm home and ready to go so I tell her 5 minutes. My goal today is to re-focus on fundamentals and build up tension. I'm clean shaved, well dressed. When we meet I walk in her direction, upward posture, come close, take her hand to shake it and look her in the eyes. "I'm Seppuku". It's our first time meeting, and as always in online dating, it's only when you're on your first date, that you really assess who you got into. She's cute, elegant, thin, but I suspect older that her announced 28. Fine. It's almost 7, I take her to the skybar (the Strata bar, for those who read my reports, one of my favorite spots in Doha). Stunning view of the city from here.

It's the happy hours, I order two glasses of white wine, then order food, sushi platter and dim sum. She speaks literally no English, and me no Chinese, so it's a lot of body language, "speak with the hands". We revert to the chat and translate features in our phone when we cannot manage to understand each other. The mood is good, playful, we have good times in spite of the communication thing. So far I stayed collected, didn't spill up my beans, didn't throw myself at her, and kept a bit of mystery. In one word, build up tension. Food almost finished, game up now. I haven't touched her much so far, just a little contextual touch here and there while chatting. I order her to bring her seat closer to me, she complies, and I start up my touch routine. I touch her hair and ask if she puts color. I take her arm and inspect the henna tattoos that she got a few days back. Time to take a look at the city from the other side of the bar. We stand up, I take her by the hand and lead her, and there is zero resistance. Time for pictures. We're back at our seats and I start the selfie session, have my arm over her shoulder while I take a few pics. She does, too, my right hand on her bare arm, my left hand over her shoulder. After the pictures over I leave my arm hanging around her shoulders, she's touchy as well.

The pull
OK time to go. Earlier I was thinking to take her to another spot, and talked to her about going to see a live band playing. But it's almost 9pm and we have warmed up a lot. We leave the hotel hand in hand and I ask her if she wants to come to my home listen some music. She's OK. It's just a five minutes walk and I can tell she's excited. As always when I change locations, I chat her to keep her mind occupied. We're at my home now.

We have a shot at the view from my living room, and I stay close behind her. Next I bring two glasses of water (we had enough alcohol already) and have her seated in my sofa. I order her to sit closer to me. She does. Now in my arms. I place her hand on my belly and make a comment on my belly fat - I know I don't have a lot, but I disqualify myself purposely, to have her qualifying me "It's OK a little bit only". Now her hands are on me. I venture a kiss, and linger a finger around her face. She's open. "How do they kiss in China?" then go for the kiss, and slowly build up a long kiss. First lips, soft and tender. Then opening mouth slowly. Tongue. She's really into it. I sense her breathing rhythm changing, which is a good sign. My hands are now caressing her bare arm skin. I break the kiss a little (leaving her wanting more), kiss her neck, then back to make out. Then my mistake. Venture my hand on her boob... a bit too early I guess. She suddenly pulls back, like if she awakens. "Time to go home!" I pause a little, then try to get her on the kiss again. She kisses a little, then again asks to go home. OK then.

I'm cool and still smiling, no disappointment shown or so. Keeping the frame, all the time. I drive her back. She's the first to text that she liked our "very romantic dinner".

My take
With verbal communication at the minimum, it was bare attraction. She followed my lead very well. I did a god job in ramping up tension. Smooth pull. But went for her boob a little too soon, which triggered LMR. Would have had a better chance if I had taken more time to get her excited. I'm sure she liked the whole thing anyway. But it's a failed escalation. Nevertheless she got back to me the next day and I floated the idea of a cooking date directly at my place.

Will post an update here if there are further developments with her.
 

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Seppuku said:
I break the kiss a little (leaving her wanting more), kiss her neck, then back to make out. Then my mistake. Venture my hand on her boob... a bit too early I guess. She suddenly pulls back, like if she awakens. "Time to go home!" I pause a little, then try to get her on the kiss again. She kisses a little, then again asks to go home. OK then.

I'm cool and still smiling, no disappointment shown or so. Keeping the frame, all the time. I drive her back. She's the first to text that she liked our "very romantic dinner".

Seems like she wants to see you again, but for whatever reason felt like you might view her poorly if she slept with you then and there - maybe more long term focused with you.
 

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Grand Pooba said:
Seems like she wants to see you again, but for whatever reason felt like you might view her poorly if she slept with you then and there - maybe more long term focused with you.

Maybe yes. My understanding is she's here on a short term visit. But she could have plans to find a job here. Or could it be a conservative upbringing? I don't know much about the various cultures in China.

Anyway, she indeed wanted to see me again. The next day she texts me about an event with friend, happening Wednesday at 2pm, and suggests I join her... But I have my job at this time. It's anyway too boyfriendish. Instead, I try to push the idea of a cooking date at my place the same night.

Me: What's your plan for tonight?
Her [in app translator from Chinese]: No plans
Me: Come cook with me. You like chicken?
Her: I'm afraid I don't have time
Me: You said no plans
Her: Yes, no plans temporarily
Me: OK, So we make a plan. Here's my plan. Come at 7pm for dinner with me
Her: I take a taxi to your home for dinner?
Me: Yes. You're my welcome guest
Her: Sorry, you live far, the taxi takes a lot of money
Me: You pay the taxi one way. And get free dinner ;-)
Her: [awful translation - something about plans with friends]
Me: [I defuse this thread by sending her a picture of us together on our previous date]
Her: Very sweet photo
Me: Yes it is. Join me for dinner :)
Her: No I'm not sure [I guess potential plans with friends]. I'd like to have dinner with you, but maybe I'll let you down.
Me: OK up to you

Later 8:24pm, she texts me asking what I am doing. I tell her "having my dinner". "Sorry that I don't have dinner with you" "It's your choice [tongue emoji]" Not sure if she ever saw her friends. In fact the same evening by 9pm I went to another date so the time was not lost lol.

Guys any idea where to take it from there? My idea is to give up the dinner at home for now, asking her out again in a bar, and trying to reboot.

Suggestions welcome.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Seppuku

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LR Update: Ginger from China

Grand Pooba said:
Seems like she wants to see you again, but for whatever reason felt like you might view her poorly if she slept with you then and there - maybe more long term focused with you.

That was spot on. It turns out that she found a job here and is now planning to stay longer in Doha. So, in the first place, she was having longer term plans about me.

In the two weeks following the above, we did reconnect with each other many times by chat. The repeat scenario was like, after she hints at meeting, I propose something, she then sends a big smiley and says she's busy. To which, I usually teased her back. So, lots of teasing from both side, but all efforts for a second date failed - she was now playing hard to get.

Reconnecting with her
On April 17th, the same scenario was unfolding, so I decided to take action and break through. I text the following convo:

Me: France likes China [I am a French national]
Her: China also likes France [french flag]
Me: Good. France travels to China :)
Her: [tongue emoji] OK
Then as I drive to her place I tease her with many vehicle icons, hinting that I am coming without saying it. When I reach I send her my google map location. But she's not that comfortable with Doha maps I guess, and it takes her a while to understand that I'm here downstairs her building. She finally shows up and climbs in my car. I suggest we go to a nearby bar, but she doesn't like because she's not properly dressed. So be it, I just drive around. She's very excited to see me and takes my hand in hers. She speaks Chinese, me English, we don't understand each other but it's just fine. I keep it short (20 minutes overall) and drive her back. We have a kiss in the car before she leaves. Objective accomplished, I have reconnected with her.

Apr 19th - Second date

During the day we chat a little. She has now a regular job and a boss. I suggest we meet in the evening, but apparently she has something, so the date attempt flops. Later around 7:30pm I'm home chilling on my sofa... and she texts me back. Whatever she had to do tonight didn't materialize. She now asks what I'm doing. "I go out with you maybe ;-). Maybe yes... Or maybe not ;-) ;-)" After a little teasing, we agree that I pick her up at 8:30pm at her place.

We go to the Kempinski Z Lounge, a new sky bar at 61st floor here in Doha - where I took this girl from Kenya last week lol. No need for me to take initiative, Ginger my girl is very touchy around me, puts her head on my shoulder, takes my hand, etc... We have a little wine, great photo shoots, good time. Then there is this moment when she is on my side, her hand over my body caressing my left upper leg... I can sense that she is discreetly and softly rubbing my dick through the trousers with her forearm. She turns her face towards mine and gives me a certain unmistakable look. OK darling. We finish the wine, I settle the bill, then we leave to my car.

The pull
In the car I tell her "I invite you home for a few minutes?". She giggles and says yes. Not sure if she really understood, because her english is almost zero, but it doesn't matter because I have formally asked and she said yes. A couple minutes later we're at my tower, she recognizes my place, there is no ambiguity, but she's totally cool.

The lay
I serve us a little drink then start the escalation. It's way easier now... But I make sure I don't rush things and make her excited. While I'm kissing her I place her hand under my polo, on my chest. She is very soon on my dick. Slowly I remove her top clothes items and she has very nice boobs. She gets a little uncomfortable because we could be seen by the window - very unlikely at the 22nd floor, but OK. I take her to my bedroom, and we're soon both naked. I go down on her then give her a good shag.

my take
It seems I managed to recover from a failed escalation because she was very much into me in the first place. I had to give a little boyfriendish vibe, some extra face time, so she could cope with her ASD. But once I reconnected with her and break through her "hard to get" game, the rest was a piece of cake.
 

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Seppuku said:
my take
It seems I managed to recover from a failed escalation because she was very much into me in the first place. I had to give a little boyfriendish vibe, some extra face time, so she could cope with her ASD. But once I reconnected with her and break through her "hard to get" game, the rest was a piece of cake.

Nice read, the hard to get game is correct, and nice work!
 
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