Girl getting cocky in queue

[Virgin101]

So I was in line for a night club and got talking to this girl. Her boyfriend was with her. She was quite talkative which was fine. Then she started to skip ahead of me in the queue (line). If it wasn't for the fact that I'd already been chatting to her I probably would've just left her ahead of me.

At one point while facing into me, she said "I'm going to skip ahead and there's nothing you're going to do about it". I said nothing. I didn't like that. And the fact she was facing into me when she was saying it (as I was facing forward) made it even more taunting. But what's interesting to me, is that it was if she was getting this confidence from the fact that her boyfriend was standing next to her. And to be honest, if he wasn't there I would have tested her. I might have leaned into her closer and shouted "oh really?" and make her wonder what I was about to do. I could have easily picked her up and passed it off as joking behavior.

I think why it annoyed me was that what she was really saying was "you're afraid of my boyfriend aren't you?" On hindsight I doubt her boyfriend would have cared if I picked her up... he actually looked like he'd had quite a bit to drink. At the time I was in a different city and I always take the view that you don't know who you're messing with. I think in such situations it might be best to indeed go ahead and challenge such people, but to perhaps be ready to back down if things get really serious. In other words if her boyfriend was a gangster he wouldn't have just beaten me up straight away... he would've given a warning first.

 

[DarkKnight]

I don't really get what your question is, maybe you are just venting which is fine by me. I think the girl in question behaves in an offputting bratty way, like some kind of highschool bully. If you want to prevent this happening in the future just get some combat training because you mention that the presence of the boyfriend was a factor. It doesn't have to come to violence ofcourse, but people tend to behave when they get the feeling that you can defend yourself. Like the old saying goes "If you want peace, prepare for war". Don't bother with bodybuilding, because that is still posing. Some Brazilian Jiu jitsu for instance will give you the confidence and edge that you need.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Dude ya just encouraged her behaviour yah? You said you didn't like it, so why did you accept it? Ya just proved her point that there was nothing you were gonna do bout it yah? Boyfriend there or not ya can still say oh really? Cause it is oh really?!? If ya accept the behaviour ya encourage it and saying that she has that power over you when she really doesn't.

Ignoring behaviour is a good way to let it go away, but she'll never stop this behaviour and you empowered her to treat you like that. You'd have got her respect if you let her know that was unacceptable and ya won't stand for it yah?? I agree that combat training would help if ya dont do it dude cause it'll give ya summit if ya needed it if her boyfriend did kick of or other people in future interactions.

A actually hit the gym and train MMA and fortunately a have never needed it, I've seen guys think twice about it but they have never done anything and am not even that big or muscley!!

This girl was possibly not going to go home with you that night, it would be highly unlikely she'd leave her boyfriend there and then but don't let her climb the hierarchy at your expense cause any girls seeing that will realise that you'll accept shit, and ya really won't dude!! Might have been intimidating with her boyfriend there but somewhere in his subconcious he'd respect that you didn't accept it and hopefully pull his woman into line, figuratively and literally although I doubt he actually commands such respect from his girl ma dude!

Ya didnt say if he moved up the line with her, but if he did he also feels empowered to do so or he's so whipped he follows her lead which is his loss. Hope he enjoys sex with her cause its came at a cost of his leadership and manhood!

Personally a wouldn't have accepted that and called her out on it or picked her up and physically moved her. Her attraction would have went up and if she was testing you you've firmly positioned yourself where ya should be. Don't submit frame control yah!!

 

[Virgin101]

Dude ya just encouraged her behaviour yah? You said you didn't like it, so why did you accept it? Ya just proved her point that there was nothing you were gonna do bout it yah? Boyfriend there or not ya can still say oh really? Cause it is oh really?!? If ya accept the behaviour ya encourage it and saying that she has that power over you when she really doesn't.

Ignoring behaviour is a good way to let it go away, but she'll never stop this behaviour and you empowered her to treat you like that. You'd have got her respect if you let her know that was unacceptable and ya won't stand for it yah?? I agree that combat training would help if ya dont do it dude cause it'll give ya summit if ya needed it if her boyfriend did kick of or other people in future interactions.

A actually hit the gym and train MMA and fortunately a have never needed it, I've seen guys think twice about it but they have never done anything and am not even that big or muscley!!

This girl was possibly not going to go home with you that night, it would be highly unlikely she'd leave her boyfriend there and then but don't let her climb the hierarchy at your expense cause any girls seeing that will realise that you'll accept shit, and ya really won't dude!! Might have been intimidating with her boyfriend there but somewhere in his subconcious he'd respect that you didn't accept it and hopefully pull his woman into line, figuratively and literally although I doubt he actually commands such respect from his girl ma dude!

Ya didnt say if he moved up the line with her, but if he did he also feels empowered to do so or he's so whipped he follows her lead which is his loss. Hope he enjoys sex with her cause its came at a cost of his leadership and manhood!

Personally a wouldn't have accepted that and called her out on it or picked her up and physically moved her. Her attraction would have went up and if she was testing you you've firmly positioned yourself where ya should be. Don't submit frame control yah!!

I fucked up. I could've picked her up and messed up her hair with my hand. Then even if she did sneak ahead again I'd still have got the better of her.

But to answer your question, they did sneak ahead. I think she followed his lead rather than him following her's.

 

[NiceGuy110]

I don't really get what your question is, maybe you are just venting which is fine by me. I think the girl in question behaves in an offputting bratty way, like some kind of highschool bully. If you want to prevent this happening in the future just get some combat training because you mention that the presence of the boyfriend was a factor. It doesn't have to come to violence of course, but people tend to behave when they get the feeling that you can defend yourself. Like the old saying goes "If you want peace, prepare for war". Don't bother with bodybuilding, because that is still posing. Some Brazilian Jiu jitsu for instance will give you the confidence and edge that you need.

But there should be another way of handling this by a PUA. It seems strange that one's advice to a guy in this situation is "go get combat training"

A PUA should somehow be able to handle this by joking back with her and being able undermine her somehow. Are you saying that most PUAs do karate so that they won't look weak in a situation like this?!

 

[DarkKnight]

Hello Niceguy,

You need a certain frame to pull such things off or be a world class actor. In this scenario the OP was a little intimidated I think, which is normal when you are not sure that you can defend yourself against a certain someone. You can bring some lines ofcourse and pull gamey stunts, but the real world will test you on congruence. People like to pick on who they perceive as easy targets, like that woman did on our OP. However when you are very sure of yourself, because you know that you can defend yourself, your frame becomes very strong and you will probably very automatically put people in their place.

Also I think it's wrong to look at matters about how things "should" be. Things are how they are and you have to be real and perceptive about this. Under the veil of civilization we live in a savage world which a lot of people like to delude themselves about.

Things are the way they are.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Sup ma dudes! Both DarkKnight and Niceguy have a point with this yah??

Niceguy is right that in the first instance telling someone to learn to fight seems very unnecessary and we should be better socially calibrated than this yah?? However the rest of tha world isnt!! Ya can be amazingly skilled at handling that situation but if her drunk boyfriend dont like ya behaviour and he takes a swing yah?..... The combat training will put ya into a stronger frame mentally as ya prepared for worst case scenario which is our default setting yah?

Fighting isnt the answer in this situation or in any. Yah if ya knocked her idiot boyfriend down she'd lose attraction for him and possibly increase for you but its totally unacceptable behaviour and ya would possibly not even get into the club in the first place.

Virgin also responded that he realises in hindsight that he could have took advantages of this situation without resorting to violence. The catch yah?? She proceeded to follow her boyfriend forward so it is now his behaviour that we'd have to isolate yah? In the real world its not just dealing with but the environment yah? So again without being there but if he was really drunk and possibly not much of a threat anyway hes obviously noted that she climbed the social ladder over virgin and therefore they took the power play. If virgin would have held a stronger frame they wouldn't have done this.

Combat training isnt the answer, an just a tool yah? One to make ya feel more confident in tense situations! Ya can still do all of this without any background in fighting. But yah better be incredibly confident in holding an ice frame in nervous situations!!

Undermining her with game and social calibration or just by letting her know that ya not to be messed with is all this situation calls for. Again its how her partner responds to this an if ya intimidated no amount of game will save ya yah?!?! Ya can tool him and make him look a fool, although hes done that enough himself but he might not like being put in his place niceguy. Not many people do....

 

[DarkKnight]

You're pretty much repeating what I am saying. Combat training gives you a better frame, I'm not saying that "fighting is the answer". I definitely do NOT recommend knocking someones boyfriend out or any of those other things. But the OP definitely does need the self confidence of someone who can hold his own, which does not come by happy wishing but some real experience.

Anyway, I want to leave it at this before things go out of context. Peace.