Girls who won't hold eye contact

[Richard]

Been running into this a bit and it and especially noticing it as I'm really increasing my eye contact and laid back style. In the past month I've gotten multiple compliments on my eyes and a feeling of stronger connections with girls. I have rarely if ever received compliments on my eyes before I've really started focusing on getting my EC nailed down along with ditching high energy tactics. I think I am just so piercing with the EC it just draws all attention there.

Then on the other hand I've ran into a few girls who would just not return my EC. It didn't matter too much results wise, still got their numbers and went on dates, escalated etc... However, I think itd be to my advantage to engage these girls with the eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get a girl who won't give EC to focus on you? Especially during deep diving.

Radeng

You'll have to explain more bro.

What exactly do you mean by "she's not holding eye contact," is she frequently looking away, eyes moving everywhere, looking down, up? What are their eyes doing when they're not holding eye contact.

 

[ProblemSolving]

I deliver very strong EC when I ask questions, however, the girls respond and look forward rather than at me. It has even occurred a bit when facing each other although much more rarely.

This is normal. She is just a little nervous and choosing her words carefully, so she doesn't say something dumb. Everyone does this when they are really thinking about the words they are using. This is nothing to worry about, since, in the end the girls like you and are available, otherwise they wouldn't give you their numbers, meet up for dates, and let you escalate.

I find I have a lot more trouble getting these girls turned on and really amp sexual attraction which I can usually accomplish primarily through body language if she's returning eye contact.

Just touch her instead.

In my opinion, intense EC isn't very important. It's great when you can both look into each other eyes and sparks fly, but it's not necessary for seduction to happen. If girls are pumping the brakes hard when you escalate, then the problem isn't EC or lack thereof - it's your escalation process.

 

[ray_zorse]

Yeah when I saw the original post I immediately thought of those girls who can't be still and just appreciate you, always rolling another cigarette or breaking circle or even starting an argument to occupy their mind stream, it's because in quiet moments their subconscious starts injecting negative messages into their mind stream and so they require constant distraction to stay afloat and think positive/neutral thoughts. This kind of girl is heavily shame based IMHO. Depending on how bad they have it, it's basically impossible to escalate. NEXT. They're likely to be cluster B in any case.
Ray

 

[ProblemSolving]

However, it does help facilitate an emotional connection. The common thing with these girls is they let me take it up to making out but won't put themselves in a position to be escalated on further.

Then stop making out with girls before they are sufficiently aroused. This is actually an escalation problem, not a emotional connection/trust problem. I know some guys are big on kissing and making out with girls before they pull home, but in my experience (I believe Chase mentioned this as well), doing this greatly reduces the chances of a successful pull.

When you do this, you force her to make a logical decision to have sex. After the make out she's left thinking, "Okay he invited me home, do I REALLY feel like having sex with this guy I barely know?"

When you avoid kissing, she still isn't sure what's going to happen when you go back to your place to eat, drink, watch movies, etc. She'll come with you to see what happens, instead of having to decide right then and there if sex is going to happen.

For instance, I had this issue on a date on Tuesday and the girl basically wouldn't sit down when we got back to my place. She was not comfortable. She had no problem kissing me outside my place.

This is quite common when you go for fast pulls with inexperience girls, but it can overcome. Good job on recognizing her discomfort. She is worried because she feels like sex is expected, but she isn't comfortable yet, so you have to make her feel more comfortable. Some girls will want drinks to loosen up, but it isn't necessary. What I do is get them to help me make food in the kitchen. It takes their mind off of sex, lets them relax without pressure, and it allows me to touch them more. Once she is comfortable, have her lie down with you to watch a movie and escalate there.