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NealIRC

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When I see an image like this, you know what's the 1st thing that pops in my head?

It's "Oh yea, what age was he when he lost his virginity, huh?"

If he's so smart, then can he find out how to "get approached" by girls? Or make women want to sex with you, without you approaching them?

Does anyone else think like that?
 

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Going progressive with girls.

So last time, I posted here that I was on a college campus cafeteria, and I went to a table of girls, next to a loud weird White guy playing a card game nerdery. I asked 1 if they could ask him to "tone it down" and she responds "No I think you should" and I took out a $20 bill and asked her to ask him if he a virgin. XD.

Well the point of that was going progressive, not a 1-time pick-up, because, I'll be there the whole semester.

On a future week, I approached the table again for a question for the whole table...

I asked them is anyone from the ____ neighborhood, or know anyone from there. "No why?" ___ from the __ gang was shot yesterday, and so the ___ gang are gonna retaliate. Stay away from the area... (Most of this co-ed group was Hispanic.).

Yea, so and so was like a #3 leader for the gang and so the gang are gonna retaliate hard...

So I show off what I know, that I know stuff about gangs...

Yes, this is called, going progressive with girls. Which you can do in the correct environment.
 

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Okay here's another girl from the school.

This girl always shows cleavage. She sits in a student lounge on her phone always with lots of cleavage and friends take turns talking to her, I don't know if they're pick-up artists or just classmates.

Well I approached her early with a pamphlet and say "Ayy wassup man, atheism? Get you out of religion." And I left.

Well she got so mad she left the pamphlet right next to her and left and was gone all day.

Later that week I approached her again at same place as she sitting "Ay, are you from ____ neighborhood?" And blah blah blah about the gang-related shooting that happened like 2 days earlier.

She says she saw a police scene at the ____ block and I go "yea, he was shot at that block." After about the safety thing I left.

As I turn around, I saw another female found her and talking to her. Hours later I come back and she talking with the same female.

Some future week, I caught her outside the school going to a chicken joint. I wait until she finishes ordering and she sits somewhere by herself to eat. I pull out a picture of gang members and put it next to her she refuses to look 1st and so I go "See this guy here, he was the 1 that was shot" and she all okaaayy. I tell her I'm making a website on Chicago gangs and if she wanna help me out she says no and I left.

After that, I didn't see her till weeks, when I was in the same student lounge on a computer, and I turn behind me, and saw her sitting nearby again as usual.

Now you won't believe what happened.

On Facebook 1 day, I made a post saying "Next week I'm going to talk about the Latin Kings gang." And a week later I make a big progressive post.

Lots and lots of Hispanics male and female are checking out my Facebook of course. All the (few) people who add me are all guys in gangs.

Now on my Facebook, I made an earlier post that I was attending this college this semester. 1 gang member who keeps an eye on my Facebook, and knows that girl, decided to contact her 1 day and link out my Facebook profile to her, so he must have known she attends that college too, and so he likely asked her about me, like if she seen me there or so.

Well, she viewed my Facebook profile, and she actually 1st viewed it 3 days in a row, then around a week later, viewed it a 4th day.

Now this is something GC has never covered... what do you do if the girl you approached happened to find your Facebook, and you're not supposed to know?

Then, to confirm it was really her, I viewed her profile but not under my Facebook account, but under a different, secret account (so that's hoe I got the photo).

And so, she gets to research me on Facebook, my profile is that photo of me in a suit and tie holding a rose in a sewer.

Now she knows, when I asked her about getting information about gangs, I was for real, it wasn't a starter.

I'm not supposed to know she viewed my Facebook, and so, does anyone think she will approach me eventually next times she sees me on campus?
 

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Question.

Anyone know of any times where a guy ask the girl for the 1st date, then girl asked the guy for the 2nd date, then guy asked for 3rd date, and she asked for 4th date?

For guys, if you knew a girl would you ask out on a 2nd date if you didn't ask in time, and all you had to do was wait a little longer, would you wait it?
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Neal,

There's something important about Kim Ung-yong I hope you notice.

He learned five languages... from people who knew those five languages.
He learned algebra... from people who knew algebra.
He learned calculus... from people who knew calculus.
He learned civil engineering... from people who knew civil engineering.
He learned nuclear physics... from people who knew nuclear physics.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Can you show me anyone who mastered so much by shunning all existing knowledge and wisdom and reinventing everything from scratch based on only his/her own ideas?

Phoenix
 

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ThePhoenix said:
Can you show me anyone who mastered so much by shunning all existing knowledge and wisdom and reinventing everything from scratch based on only his/her own ideas?
Of course.

Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton.

Even inventors. Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Steve Wozniak.

Even myself when it comes with ideas about women.
 

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Oh My God, are you fucking serious? HAHAHAHA....

Albert Einstein -> his theories all make HEAVY use of MANY mathematical concepts including calculus, linear algebra etc. that were known long before he was born and which he LEARNED FROM OTHERS. Central to relativity is the Lorentz transformation which was discovered by Woldemar Voigt, Joseph Larmor and Hendrik Lorentz.

Isaac Newton -> LEARNED FROM OTHERS a significant amount of fundamental mathematics such as algebra and linear and quadratic equations, which were known over 700 years before he was born, and upon which his theories relied heavily, at The King's School, Grantham and at Trinity College, Cambridge. Johannes Kepler discovered laws of planetary motion which were probably vital to Newton's understandings.

Thomas Edison -> generation of electricity, crucial to many of Edison's inventions, was demonstrated by Francis Hauksbee, Litzendorf, and by Prof. Georg Matthias Bose, in 1750, almost a century before Edison was born. Even earlier, in 1729, Stephen Gray did experiments to determine conductors vs. non-conductors, again crucial to all Edison's electric inventions. Again before Edison's birth, Benjamin Franklin investigated the nature of electricity, and theories about electricity and electromagnetism, all of which Edison LEARNED FROM OTHERS, were developed prior to Edison's work by Michael Faraday, Luigi Galvani, Alessandro Volta, André-Marie Ampère and Georg Simon Ohm.

Bill Gates -> Are you fucking kidding me?! MS-DOS was actually written by Tim Paterson and it was basically a clone of an earlier operating system, CP/M from Digital Research. The Apple Mac somewhat predated Microsoft Windows as a GUI and certainly had an impact on it. And none of these people invented the basic electronics and computer programming concepts upon which all these systems were built; for instance, the C language would have been used extensively in developing a lot of this and that was invented years before by Dennis Ritchie between 1969 and 1973 at Bell Labs.

Steve Wozniak -> did not invent the transistors, resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, printed circuit boards, CPUs, shift registers, latches, buffers, ALUs and numerous other components used in the computers he designed; nor did he rediscover basic electrical circuit laws such as Ohm's Law, Kirchoff's Law, etc... these are things he LEARNED FROM OTHERS.

TRY AGAIN, BUD.
 

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So if I understand your point, nobody could have discovered anything new, because it was discovered by some prior cave man?

Hm, that can't be right.

Process of elimination.
 

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Neal,

I think the point is that you’re ignoring the proven paradigm and stating your unproven paradigm is superior. It’s not that the people in question didn’t create something original, but that they mastered the fundamentals first then built on the fundamentals. They didn’t throw the fundamentals out the window. They added small contributions to proven theory’s. It very much seems you are pushing to convince us all here that getting girls to approach you is somehow superior to approaching women and leading them to sex. It’s just not true. But if it is, and your on to something, then you should be well versed with doing the first before you claim you figured out a way to do it better.

Cheers,
Radeng
 

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radeng said:
It very much seems you are pushing to convince us all here that getting girls to approach you is somehow superior to approaching women and leading them to sex. It’s just not true.
But that's fine, even if sex doesn't happen.

The goal is to be desired by women. To have women want to have sex with you, or bae with you. Even if the sex doesn't happen, if I was able to make women want it from me, that is itself an acoomplishment.

Even if women want to date me, and it didn't happen, that is also an accomplishment.

Just look at women for example, why do women decide to dress slutty and go shopping or to the beach, and have all kinds of guys drool over them, but not actually get approached by them? Isn't that what women want? Then they can go home and feel good about it. The idea where "I got a lot of guys checking me out today - even if that's the only thing that happened."

Just like that girl from college, for me to approach her 3 times and quit, and then by chance have another guy who knows her "give her my Facebook" which causes her to repeatedly check on it. Now that's a once in a life time situation.

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So I'm constantly spitting game and working on getting women to desire me. It's like building a circle or image. And if women want to see me fall, why, that shows that they're also attracted to me.
 

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NealIRC said:
Just look at women for example, why do women decide to dress slutty and go shopping or to the beach, and have all kinds of guys drool over them, but not actually get approached by them? Isn't that what women want? Then they can go home and feel good about it. The idea where "I got a lot of guys checking me out today - even if that's the only thing that happened."
Yes, absolutely, women like getting checked out... but the reason they like it is because it represents a potential for them to get fucked! It's not the end game, it's just a step in the right direction.

If you think that women enjoy getting checked out anywhere near as much as they enjoy having a dominant male's dick up their pussy, it's only because you've never gotten laid.

Nor have you ever seen a girl get sexually frustrated. I've seen it. I had the misfortune of being asinine enough to do it on multiple occasions. On one such occasion where it was a pair of them in my bedroom tearing my clothes off and then I didn't give it to them over some stupid oneitis, they were young and didn't have as much social graces and so actually let me know their frustration explicitly. One of them went as far as to leave a rather angry little note. Why was she angry? Because she didn't get what she actually wanted - she wanted to get fucked.
 

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Okay I think when a woman enjoys getting checked out more than sex, she'll go out and cleavage around.

And if a woman wants to get fucked more she'll go out and beyond and actually approach.

So I think the desire in itself is pretty big.

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Nor have you ever seen a girl get sexually frustrated. I've seen it. I had the misfortune of being asinine enough to do it on multiple occasions. On one such occasion where it was a pair of them in my bedroom tearing my clothes off and then I didn't give it to them over some stupid oneitis, they were young and didn't have as much social graces and so actually let me know their frustration explicitly. One of them went as far as to leave a rather angry little note. Why was she angry? Because she didn't get what she actually wanted - she wanted to get fucked.
But it was probably you who somehow lured them to get into your bedroom so.
 

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NealIRC said:
Okay I think when a woman enjoys getting checked out more than sex, she'll go out and cleavage around.
Are you kidding me? Tons of those women that walk around showing cleavage wind up with babies. They might not be getting it from you, but trust me, they get dick.

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And if a woman wants to get fucked more she'll go out and beyond and actually approach.
This is absurd! Women very rarely approach men even when they do want sex (which they usually do, by the way - there are chemicals in their bodies that make them want it). Why? Because they don't have to. Men will always be approaching them, so do tell me, why would they take the risk when they don't have to?

The most that they'll normally do is position themselves close to a guy they're interested in, in the hopes that he'll approach them. ("Approach invitation.") In your case, it won't work and she'll walk away disappointed until she finds some other guy that actually knows how to lead her to sex.

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But it was probably you who somehow lured them to get into your bedroom so.
Not even sure what you're trying to say here.

Anyhow, Neal, let me ask you something.

Since your ultimate aim seems to be to get approached by girls. Over the past 6 months, how many girls have approached you in a sexual manner? How many times have you had a girl come up to you, tell you you're cute/handsome/sexy/attractive/whatever or complimented something you were wearing, ask your name, try to make conversation with you, ask you for your number, or ask you out for a date, or try to get you somewhere alone?

I don't mean she comes to your college and looks at you funny or some shit like that. Or that she looks at your Facebook profile. (Unless maybe you work in FB's IT department, you have no idea who'se been looking at your profile, anyway. If you think you do, it's because you've fallen victim to some clever psychology and marketing on the part of a third-party app's developers. Apps don't actually have access to that information - trust me I've looked into it and FB has one of the Goddam strictest APIs in terms of NOT revealing stuff to apps.) And I don't mean girls you already know or that are approaching you for some business or practical reason.

No, I mean, she actually, honest to God, approaches you, like how this site and others encourage men to approach women.
How many times has it happened to you in the past 6 months?
 

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ThePhoenix said:
Anyhow, Neal, let me ask you something.

Since your ultimate aim seems to be to get approached by girls. Over the past 6 months, how many girls have approached you in a sexual manner? How many times have you had a girl come up to you, tell you you're cute/handsome/sexy/attractive/whatever or complimented something you were wearing, ask your name, try to make conversation with you, ask you for your number, or ask you out for a date, or try to get you somewhere alone?

I don't mean she comes to your college and looks at you funny or some shit like that. Or that she looks at your Facebook profile. (Unless maybe you work in FB's IT department, you have no idea who'se been looking at your profile, anyway. If you think you do, it's because you've fallen victim to some clever psychology and marketing on the part of a third-party app's developers. Apps don't actually have access to that information - trust me I've looked into it and FB has one of the Goddam strictest APIs in terms of NOT revealing stuff to apps.) And I don't mean girls you already know or that are approaching you for some business or practical reason.

No, I mean, she actually, honest to God, approaches you, like how this site and others encourage men to approach women.
How many times has it happened to you in the past 6 months?
1.) In places that have cold winters like Chicago, you can do stuff like dress in a t-shirt and shorts in cold weather, or even walk around shirtless.

And when you do that, act like nothing's unusual. So in cold weather, aren't women gonna notice you (cuz you stand out from the rest of the gay) and possibly use that as a starter line, like "heyy aren't you cold?"

Hint: if I saw a girl wearing a tank top and shorts, I'd use that as a complimentary or starter line.

2.) Picking up garbage in public places, like parks.

Say there's girls sitting at a bench and you up and around picking up garbage 1-by-1. By doing that you stand out from the rest of the gay. Why does this guy pick-up garbage and nobody else? And if he's not in any uniforms, why he doing it for free? These are all lines to get asked by women.

You get the idea?
 

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Regarding how I know if people view my Facebook, it's not an app, it's called People You May Know.

If a person shows up in the people you may know, if you click on their profile, then you will in turn show up in their people you may know.

It's not for all accounts, Facebook uses an algorithm. So if you view their profile and you don't show up in their people they may know, then the same applies if they view your profile, such cases it's impossible to know if they are.

I think Facebook uses an algorithm like A, B, and C, upon account creation, and if the other account matches the same type as yours, then when you view each other's profile you will show up in the people you may know.
 

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NealIRC said:
1.) In places that have cold winters like Chicago, you can do stuff like dress in a t-shirt and shorts in cold weather, or even walk around shirtless.

Have you walked around in Chicago shirtless during the winter before, and had girls approach you?

NealIRC said:
"heyy aren't you cold?"Hint: if I saw a girl wearing a tank top and shorts, I'd use that as a complimentary or starter line.

Really? That's the line you'd use?

NealIRC said:
Say there's girls sitting at a bench and you up and around picking up garbage 1-by-1. By doing that you stand out from the rest of the gay. Why does this guy pick-up garbage and nobody else? And if he's not in any uniforms, why he doing it for free? These are all lines to get asked by women.

Have you walked around picking up garbage and had girls approach you? Or is this all in theory?
 

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songbird fog said:
NealIRC said:
1.) In places that have cold winters like Chicago, you can do stuff like dress in a t-shirt and shorts in cold weather, or even walk around shirtless.

Have you walked around in Chicago shirtless during the winter before, and had girls approach you?
I would say if you don't know what the person looks like, to the extent it becomes a meaningless question.

Are there really people who want to know the answer but don't want to experiment themselves?

songbird fog said:
NealIRC said:
"heyy aren't you cold?"Hint: if I saw a girl wearing a tank top and shorts, I'd use that as a complimentary or starter line.

Really? That's the line you'd use?
Also when it's cold out and I have a hoodie on my jacket, sweater, or coat, I put it on. But I notice when women wear a jacket, sweater, or coat, with a hoodie, they don't put it on. Strange. Sounds like a question-starter.

songbird fog said:
NealIRC said:
Say there's girls sitting at a bench and you up and around picking up garbage 1-by-1. By doing that you stand out from the rest of the gay. Why does this guy pick-up garbage and nobody else? And if he's not in any uniforms, why he doing it for free? These are all lines to get asked by women.

Have you walked around picking up garbage and had girls approach you? Or is this all in theory?
It's not where it has to be 1 way and not the other, right. It can be both. They don't contradict.
 

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How many of you think I should be like ZacAdam and create a new thread for a new single-post?
 

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Neal,

Not trying to be mean here, just trying to help you see truths. Songbird and I asked you directly what sort of real-world results you have seen from pursuing your paradigm, and your answers are highly evasive, to the point of being nonsensical. If you were actually seeing good results, you would simply share these results with us as opposed to trying some Jedi hand-waving intended to distract us from the reality that your theories are not working for you.

(By the way, there is tremendous precedent in nature for the exact opposite to your paradigm. Eggs do not swim towards sperm. If you ejaculate into a woman and your sperm were to decide to play it cool and just wait until the egg smashes into them, she will not get pregnant. By the time the egg would reach anywhere near them, it is dead, and chances are so are they.)

You speak of inventors. You're actually speaking to one. I've invented several technologies which did not exist before. Nothing as revoultionary as Edison, but nevertheless, new technological devices. So I know a thing or two about making new discoveries and inventions.

Yeah, I actually shunned formal education - I'm in some ways as hardheaded as you. But my dad had a collection of electrical engineering text books and electronics repair/hobbyist magazines, and BEST BELIEVE I had my nose in those hard from the age of 7, just about as soon as I could read well enough to begin to wrap my little head around it. Because even at that young age I had a sense for the obvious fact that, once you get past fire and stone wheels, all great feats of discovery and invention are predicated on a deep knowledge of prior discoveries and inventions. The computer you are reading this on is literally the product of several thousand years of scientific investigation!

When I learned to build and design circuits, the first ones I built and designed were nothing new. They were everyday things like power supplies, light sequencers, and amplifiers - things practicing engineers create all the time and would regard as rather basic. But I cut my teeth on these because I had to acquire a deep understanding of what was already there so that I would not waste my time re-inventing all the basic building blocks.

What are the chances I'd have invented anything new if I had never read all those engineering books and got a few soldering iron burns putting together circuits every engineer already knew about? ZERO.

Unfortunately, I did not apply the same pragmatic approach to learning how to interact with females, and I paid for it dearly. Like you, I thought I somehow just magically knew everything about them and nobody could tell me shit. FUCK ME, what a waste of years.

Trying to find some revolutionary new theory of seduction without even having gotten your dick wet in a pussy, is like a caveman trying to invent a smartphone without any knowledge of linear algebra, matrix math, vector calculus, numerical systems, radix math, physics, electromagnetism, circuit theory, relativity, wave propagation, microcontroller design, digital signal processing, software engineering, UI design, cryptography, telephony, surface mount technology, microelectronics fabrication, optics, materials science, electrochemistry, organic chemistry, or polymer chemistry.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Not even with the brain of Einstein or Ung-yong.


My sincere advice to you as someone who has the intelligence, discipline and experience to actually be able to invent new stuff, is to begin by admitting that you know jack shit about women and diligently applying the advice of men who bed hot women consistently. Put up reports here for feedback and pay attention to what experienced guys tell you and apply their advice. Unless you're severely handicapped socially, if you are diligent with this you will become more attractive to women and get closer to sleeping with them. When you start getting to sleep with them, you will realize that you were setting your sights too low in thinking it's fine to just attract but not fuck them.

Once you have had your dick in several hundred decently attractive women you didn't have to pay, you will then understand women far better than you could ever possibly understand them as a virgin, and you will be in a much better place to develop your own revolutionary new ways of attracting them. THEN you can be the Newton who already knows about planetary motion, or the Einstein who already understands the Lorentz transformation, or the Edison who already understands electromagnetism, or the Wozniac who has a workbench full of electronic parts he already understands.

(But I'm willing to bet that by the time you've laid 50 women your mental model will have evolved so greatly that you will be laughing at yourself for ever having held onto the beliefs you currently have.)

I think your main problem at this point is that you have a lot of foolish pride. You simply can't admit that you're not the hot-shot guru who knows everything about women, or who is genius enough to figure it all out all by himself. The genius who thinks he doesn't need existing knowledge is actually a fool. The attitude you presently have will get you nowhere.

I want you to read this report about my trying to approach a Nigerian girl working in a department store in November. I totally fucked up and made a fool of myself in front of her and some nearby people. I didn't publicly document the others but most of my approaches around that time did not go very well. But I had to suffer that failure and admit my incompetency in order to learn from it.

Now read this report from last month. I've actually done a lot better than this before, but not consistently and not from cold approach in a shopping mall. Look at how much more open the girl was. That is partly because practice has made me less nervous, but also because I applied things I learned from other guys. With a few more tweaks I probably could have slept with her. If I had've done what Seppuku suggested, I'd have at least gotten her on a date. Next time I encounter that situation I know how to handle it, in part because I learned how from someone who sleeps with 20 or more new girls every year, some half his age I might add. It would take me so much longer to learn the same things by stumbling around blindly on my own rather than seek knowledge from others.

I suggest that unless you are content with spending the rest of your life doing push-ups in front of 12 year olds instead of attracting and sleeping with women, that you adapt a similar mentality.

Phoenix

p.s., I wouldn't make much of the People You May Know feed. You are blindly speculating on an algorithm that is kept secret and which probably even changes from time to time. Many things other than her viewing your profile could be factored in, such as location, school, location or school being common with 1st or 2nd degree contacts, 2nd or 3rd degree connectivity, her and/or your friend count, your own viewing habits, a pseudorandom number generator, and others. I would not take seeing a girl in this feed as even remotely reliable evidence that she has ever visited your profile.
 

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ThePhoenix said:
Neal,

Not trying to be mean here, just trying to help you see truths. Songbird and I asked you directly what sort of real-world results you have seen from pursuing your paradigm, and your answers are highly evasive, to the point of being nonsensical. If you were actually seeing good results, you would simply share these results with us as opposed to trying some Jedi hand-waving intended to distract us from the reality that your theories are not working for you.
Not really, I'm still trying to learn from other people too.

The fact that people are uncertain about if I have results is itself a clue to me.

For example imagine if men in this forum don't believe that my ideas of getting women to approach me would work. Then that should also mean, that if I had stories of women approaching me, that they would deny that. So if there are men who are skeptics here, that wow is that news for me.

Here's some more experiments on getting approached by women, and coming up with experiments.

At a shopping mall, I see a big buff White guy at his own table stand repping XSports Fitness gym membership. He wears a black shirt, ripped, tall, muscular.

I ask him "Do women ever come here to flirt with you?"

Whatever he says [...] then I go "I mean, do women ever come here and they're more into flirting with you then pretending to be interested in XSport fitness..."

Then, take another guy at another stand, and this guy will be more of the feminine type of guy, but with a sense of fashion. So less muscular, maybe even with a gay accent, and then ask him the same questions...

My question to you people is, what are their results?

;)

ThePhoenix said:
Trying to find some revolutionary new theory of seduction without even having gotten your dick wet in a pussy, is like a caveman trying to invent a smartphone without any knowledge of linear algebra, matrix math, vector calculus, numerical systems, radix math, physics, electromagnetism, circuit theory, relativity, wave propagation, microcontroller design, digital signal processing, software engineering, UI design, cryptography, telephony, surface mount technology, microelectronics fabrication, optics, materials science, electrochemistry, organic chemistry, or polymer chemistry.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Not even with the brain of Einstein or Ung-yong.
And that's why I ask others the same questions on if the same methods work.

ThePhoenix said:
My sincere advice to you as someone who has the intelligence, discipline and experience to actually be able to invent new stuff, is to begin by admitting that you know jack shit about women and diligently applying the advice of men who bed hot women consistently. Put up reports here for feedback and pay attention to what experienced guys tell you and apply their advice. Unless you're severely handicapped socially, if you are diligent with this you will become more attractive to women and get closer to sleeping with them. When you start getting to sleep with them, you will realize that you were setting your sights too low in thinking it's fine to just attract but not fuck them.

Once you have had your dick in several hundred decently attractive women you didn't have to pay, you will then understand women far better than you could ever possibly understand them as a virgin, and you will be in a much better place to develop your own revolutionary new ways of attracting them. THEN you can be the Newton who already knows about planetary motion, or the Einstein who already understands the Lorentz transformation, or the Edison who already understands electromagnetism, or the Wozniac who has a workbench full of electronic parts he already understands.

(But I'm willing to bet that by the time you've laid 50 women your mental model will have evolved so greatly that you will be laughing at yourself for ever having held onto the beliefs you currently have.)

I think your main problem at this point is that you have a lot of foolish pride. You simply can't admit that you're not the hot-shot guru who knows everything about women, or who is genius enough to figure it all out all by himself. The genius who thinks he doesn't need existing knowledge is actually a fool. The attitude you presently have will get you nowhere.
But I specialize in things about women that most other guys don't.

For example, if you sit at the cafeteria by yourself, will women want sit in the same table as you?

These are things other types of guys don't specialize in if they always surround themselves with a group of co-ed friends.

ThePhoenix said:
I want you to read this report about my trying to approach a Nigerian girl working in a department store in November. I totally fucked up and made a fool of myself in front of her and some nearby people. I didn't publicly document the others but most of my approaches around that time did not go very well. But I had to suffer that failure and admit my incompetency in order to learn from it.

Now read this report from last month. I've actually done a lot better than this before, but not consistently and not from cold approach in a shopping mall. Look at how much more open the girl was. That is partly because practice has made me less nervous, but also because I applied things I learned from other guys. With a few more tweaks I probably could have slept with her. If I had've done what Seppuku suggested, I'd have at least gotten her on a date. Next time I encounter that situation I know how to handle it, in part because I learned how from someone who sleeps with 20 or more new girls every year, some half his age I might add. It would take me so much longer to learn the same things by stumbling around blindly on my own rather than seek knowledge from others.
Yea I'll look at that some time.
 
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