Good Techniques but doesn't work a lot over here

[Anonymous]

I know you guys must be wondering why someone would bring up such a topic after all its suffice to say Girlschase is probably the best PUA site ever but the thing is, I'm an African, hope there aren't any racist here 'LOL', and after studying and practising most of GC's pickup tech. I'd say on a scale of 1-100, it has probably worked out for 20 to 30 percentage, not saying the techniques arent good or working but I noticed that down here in Nigeria in the heart of Africa, these pickup techs, have proven rather impossible to pull off or let's just say the girls are immune to it. I think nigerian girls probably don't have the same notion as american girls so what I'm implying is that, my bosses, Chase Amante, Mr.Drexel, Mr Ricardo to mention a few should please try and find out more about african girls, diagnose them, devise other techniques which would be also much beneficial to we africans too. Hope my message is fathom-able. Thanks and please don't mind my english, "African here". One Love

 

[PinotNoir]

Hey man, welcome to the boards.

Well, all I can tell you is what my African-American friends does.... but it's a completely different culture than actual Africa. I imagine it's pretty different culturally all throughout Africa as well, so Nigeria is also probably pretty specific.

Anyway, he always goes direct, direct, direct! In America, based on what I see with him, black girls love it. Then he persists, persists, persists! I've also noticed that image (swag) means more -- your clothes ("bling" not needed), your "image," the way you talk/walk, how much of a bad boy you are (this just means moving fast, not hiding your desire, and not being weak or crumpling to her will or other guys' will), your confidence, your ability to not be affected by something out-of-the-ordinary, ability to laugh and have fun, etc. Really, these are pretty general that could apply to any guy.

Even though I live in a different state than any of the authors (and a different country than many of the authors since only a few live in the USA), I've been able to apply GC to where I live. You just need to think about what it's like where you live and how the people interact. Since you live there, you should know the area best! What are the girls like? Shy and conservative? Loud and out-going? What are most girls into there? (dancing, watching X, etc.) How does the typical guys ask out girls there? (and how can you be different than them or do a better job of it) Where does a typical guy take a girl on a date? (and how can you refine it to be better/different)

And be weary of listening to advice from others in the area. Just because the majority does it, does NOT mean that it's the best way. You have to find out through experience what works best in your area. You have to be a rogue and a risk-taker. The majority is not always the best.

Lastly, 20-30% isn't too bad. Approach 100 women and get 20 dates. Approach 10 girls and get 2 dates. That's not too bad. It's just a matter of learning the material and applying the material here to make those 2 dates into sex, and to try different techniques here to raise up the %. Either way, you'll always have to approach lots and never let an opportunity get away (i.e., if see a pretty girl in a coffee shop, you ask her out).

I hope this helps a bit.

What have you tried that hasn't worked? Have you tried a direct opener and than tried a indirect-direct opener and compared the results? Is your conversation good? Etc.

 

[Chase]

Thanks for the note here, Gidi. I haven't visited Africa yet myself, and I'd probably have a skewed view as a white guy and foreigner (novelty effect + assumptions by the majority of locals that you're probably wealthy relative to themselves)... so even if I went, my advice would come with a big caveat on it.

The best advice I could have for getting African girls as an African guy would be keep an eye out for a local who knows what he's doing, and learn his game and how he presents himself. If I wanted to teach game to African guys, I'd have to do the same, since my own experiences would be too different - but a talented local friend could easily show me what a local guy needs to do to get local girls.

Chase

 

[skin_man]

Hi Chase,
Great reply. On working with the locals in any sector, especially Africa or otherwise, what if they subscribe to notions that are veered off the GC way like:

You can lead her on with the promise of marriage till you lay her, then you leave.
You can chase her and be an early boyfriend to get her.
You should spend money to have her. ( basically transactional).

Such patterns like the early boyfriend would lack punch and might poorly work (even in these parts) like you described in your posts.

How would you recommend we deal with such?

Thanks.

 

[Franco]

Just wanted to add,

it has probably worked out for 20 to 30 percentage

That's actually REALLY good. If you're getting one out of every 3 girls or one out of every 5 girls to follow your lead, then you're doing a pretty damn good job. Lots of people seem to think that becoming a "master" seducer means that your hit rate with women goes up (eventually close to 80% or 90% or something), which really is not the case at all. For the most part, you will always face more rejections that you do successes, and you're overall success rate will likely be much lower than 50%.

If you find a guy that is sleeping with a 50% success rate or higher (and isn't famous or isn't a celebrity), then please let me know so I can pick his brain.

- Franco

 

[Chase]

Skin Man-

On working with the locals in any sector, especially Africa or otherwise, what if they subscribe to notions that are veered off the GC way like:

You can lead her on with the promise of marriage till you lay her, then you leave.
You can chase her and be an early boyfriend to get her.
You should spend money to have her. ( basically transactional).

Such patterns like the early boyfriend would lack punch and might poorly work (even in these parts) like you described in your posts.

How would you recommend we deal with such?

These are what I'd consider "lead her on" game, where the guy pretends to be interested in something really long-term in order to get her to give it up.

Then, once he's secured the sex, the gig is up, and he vanishes into the night, leaving the girl feeling hurt, cheated, and confused.

There are men who do this stuff everywhere in the world; it's not restricted to any single locale. I've seen it everywhere I've traveled.

I'd say try to understand where specific techniques guys are using are coming from. Are they about getting the guy and girl on the same page, or are they about tricking the girl into thinking the guy is a provider when all he wants is a one-and-done?

If it's the latter, it will typically be costly from both an emotional standpoint (to her, and to him, unless he's a sociopath, in which case only to her), as well as temporally and financially (requiring a larger outlay of time and resources, since proving yourself as a provider is trickier and takes more time and more investment, as women attempt to screen out men who are only posing as providers - like the men we're talking about here - by requiring actual displays of investment from men they'll accept as providers).

I generally don't value the things these men say as far as I can throw them. They tend to be sociopaths; you know they lie to women to sneak their ways into their vaginas, and they're probably lying to you (pretending to get a lot more action than they do; pretending their women are a lot hotter than they are) to impress you and garner your admiration.

The kind of locals I would look for, instead, are the ones you can take to a party or a bar with you, and they charm the socks off of attractive women and maybe go home with some of them not-too-infrequently. Those are the guys - the ones you see in action, and aren't having to lie and spend their ways into women's pants to get their results - you want to study and emulate.

Chase

 

[skin_man]

Thanks for such an insightful reply Chase. Yes I agree that women do screen out these wannabe providers till they get someone more stable, though they may not ultimately cut off contact with these men.

I will take your last paragraph as the precise answer I needed in this case.

Enjoy!