Guideline to prevent "LMR" and if not, how to set up 2nd date after escalating hard?

[samuraijack]

I have had this happen to me a few times where the girl goes to mine with no resistance. But ill make out with them in my room and they'll stop it and say they have to go or say they dont hookup the 1st time.

What is a process I can follow consistently that will decrease the chances of this happening?

I've done the whole "I'm not into empty hookups, i like emotional connection and only sleep with girls i wanna see again" spiel, but thats failed me multiple times as well.

Also setting non judgmental frames.

I've escalated in a way where the girl is super turned on, like im pulling her hair, hands around her neck, she tells me that, and offers me a bj or hand job but refuses to fuck.

Is there a specific technique to prevent this that i have not heard about? And if some girls just dont wanna fuck the 1st night, how do I recover after escalating so hard? Most of them dont hit me back up cause i think theres expectation of sex the next time. With these girls should i just not try escalating again, and just set up a 2nd date?

 

[TomInHo]

I've done the whole "I'm not into empty hookups, i like emotional connection and only sleep with girls i wanna see again" spiel, but thats failed me multiple times as well.

This failed because you're still seeding that there is a future. And women know that most men do not value women that sleep with them on the first date.. So you were probably framing the entire interaction in a manner that placed you in the boyfriend category

Also setting non judgmental frames.

Setting non judgmental frames can help with ASD but it still does not remove you from the boyfriend candidate role

I have had this happen to me a few times where the girl goes to mine with no resistance. But ill make out with them in my room and they'll stop it and say they have to go or say they dont hookup the 1st time.

What is a process I can follow consistently that will decrease the chances of this happening?

What I personally do to reduce resistance is to set heavy sexual frames before the pull home, and watch her responses...

1) If she plays along with the sexual frames and is open about her sexuality then I'm in a good spot.
2) But if she seems more reserved and tries to paint herself as a pure angel then I know I'm in trouble and will probably hit resistance at home

In the second scenario, she is trying to sell purity because she likes you but wants you as a boyfriend primarily. And girls don't usually sleep with their boyfriends on the first date because they don't want to be viewed as a slut in his eyes.

So to counteract this I will start displaying more qualities that would make me an unreliable boyfriend
- Overtly Sexual
- Selfishness
- Arrogance
- Tardiness
- Despise of authority

You get the gist.. act more sexual and roguish

Then test by setting sexual frames again, and if she becomes more open then you know that she has disqualified you from the BF position and is okay with putting you in the Lover category

TLDR: You are getting resistance because girls see you as a potential boyfriend rather than a walking dildo

 

[Skills]

I have had this happen to me a few times where the girl goes to mine with no resistance. But ill make out with them in my room and they'll stop it and say they have to go or say they dont hookup the 1st time.

What is a process I can follow consistently that will decrease the chances of this happening?

I've done the whole "I'm not into empty hookups, i like emotional connection and only sleep with girls i wanna see again" spiel, but thats failed me multiple times as well.

Also setting non judgmental frames.

I've escalated in a way where the girl is super turned on, like im pulling her hair, hands around her neck, she tells me that, and offers me a bj or hand job but refuses to fuck.

Is there a specific technique to prevent this that i have not heard about? And if some girls just dont wanna fuck the 1st night, how do I recover after escalating so hard? Most of them dont hit me back up cause i think theres expectation of sex the next time. With these girls should i just not try escalating again, and just set up a 2nd date?

samurai i had some stuff we talk about this specific subject:

How to increase your chances if the lay is not there on the meet

Disclaimer.- this will be a long comprehensive post but it will totally help you big time, so read it and understand it... Most of the dudes including seducers are still living in the wrong century, or flat out they are not out there gaming or are pretty much kj, because i really don't...

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These are some PRACTICAL techniques as well:

For those of you that hate or have a partner that hate period sex like me....

So guys i hate period sex, it smell like fish, i don't like the blood, i don't like the feel etc... not for me, i don't judge.... so for years when girls got the period i just had them give me bjs.... By the way if you want to field test i have NOT, for transparency you can do this with a...

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Transitions - Back to physical game: Reinforcement of NO SEXUAL act while physical/verbally escalating....

It seems that the community went through a face of verbal game, then we went through a phase of physical game, then some of the guys from nextasf brought back verbal game with the second generation stuff.... The problem is it seems that most of the guys for what i notice in the forum have...

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Transitions - When she is refusing advances of escalations try this...

so the girl refuse your advances lets say you are escalating and she lets you but she refuse to kiss you or she refuse _______ Fill in the blank on isolation... (could be via verbally or BODY language wise (like tilting head when you are going to kiss her couple of times) So the advice that...

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[samuraijack]

This failed because you're still seeding that there is a future. And women know that most men do not value women that sleep with them on the first date.. So you were probably framing the entire interaction in a manner that placed you in the boyfriend category



Setting non judgmental frames can help with ASD but it still does not remove you from the boyfriend candidate role


What I personally do to reduce resistance is to set heavy sexual frames before the pull home, and watch her responses...

1) If she plays along with the sexual frames and is open about her sexuality then I'm in a good spot.
2) But if she seems more reserved and tries to paint herself as a pure angel then I know I'm in trouble and will probably hit resistance at home

In the second scenario, she is trying to sell purity because she likes you but wants you as a boyfriend primarily. And girls don't usually sleep with their boyfriends on the first date because they don't want to be viewed as a slut in his eyes.

So to counteract this I will start displaying more qualities that would make me an unreliable boyfriend
- Overtly Sexual
- Selfishness
- Arrogance
- Tardiness
- Despise of authority

You get the gist.. act more sexual and roguish

Then test by setting sexual frames again, and if she becomes more open then you know that she has disqualified you from the BF position and is okay with putting you in the Lover category

TLDR: You are getting resistance because girls see you as a potential boyfriend rather than a walking dildo

How do you set sexual frames personally?

And i know you listed qualities of an unreliable boyfriend, how do you actually put this into practice on a date?

 

[TomInHo]

How do you set sexual frames personally?

And i know you listed qualities of an unreliable boyfriend, how do you actually put this into practice on a date?

Okay, I'll do my best to explain this..

Before finding this community I was a natural and based my game around having a rebellious/badboy image. Because I noticed that it got me laid faster than traditional dating and I never went on a real date until I was 30 years old

Funny thing is when I started dating at that age I noticed that all of a sudden girls were making it harder for me and it made no sense because at the time I was..

- Better Looking
- More Financially Stable
- Improved my fashion sense.. more dapper
- More emotionally mature

These were all qualities that women claim they want, yet they punished me harshly for displaying those traits by making me wait for sex. It was driving me insane so I did research and found this space which helped me backward engineer why I was more successful in the past..

Because when I was younger, I was broke, arrogant, selfish, verbally crude and aggressive. And was getting laid with what seemed like minimal effort and getting girls to invest into me..

During that stint of my life I actually got a sugar momma for 3 years that bought me food, let me stay at her place rent free and also invested money into me to help me build my business... damn I miss her

And from my understanding it's because I had hardcore Lover Vibes compared to Provider Security

So now, to consciously display those qualities I make sure to give off Lover vibes from the moment I say hello and don't let up on the frame until I get lock-in (2-3 lays)..

I do this by

1) Dressing like a stereotypical Bad Boy / Fuck Boy to make it easier for girls to stereotype me as a lover
2) Being sexual on first contact by using innuendo, touch and proximity
3) Being difficult to pin down during text and not being very reliable
4) Setting dates at cheap places and avoiding anything fancy at all costs... Also pitch dates straight to my house if they're aching for it
5) Showing up late to dates...I actually show up early but make them text me when they get there and arrive 5-10 minutes after they text
6) Avoiding all talks about career and if they insist I tell them an exotic dancer
7) Telling sexual stories about exes and past lovers and probe them on theirs
8) When talking about relationships never getting too sentimental and playing up the fun aspect
9) Talking about favorite sexual positions and multiple ways girls orgasm
10) Cracking lots of sexual jokes... found out I was doing something similar to GRANDMASTER STYLE
11) Poking fun at girls for being prudes if they don't play along
12) Stating my distaste for women that are not adventurous or don't want to explore their sexuality
13) If they ask me about my last relationship telling them I can't remember the last time I was in a SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP
14) Framing most topics as being passionate, ambitious yet resistant to authority and commitment
14) Splitting the bill on the date and rarely investing financially into a woman more than she does into me

You get the gist. I pretty much give off pure F-Boy vibes but still build a connection by being charming and making sure we have a blast together

And Ironically you would think this will make women not like you but from my experience it weeds out the girls that are looking for Providers but really turns on girls that are open to fun and adventure

So when I pull to the house the girls know exactly what is going to happen and if they're not down for it they won't come back home with me. Which means I might need to do another hangout to seal the deal

Hope this helped clear things up