Guys from other seduction communities are weird?

[onlyshallow]

I recently picked up on a strange phenomenon while going out with guys I met on different seduction forums. The 3 times I went out to daygame with them were awful. Every time, the guys were so try hard in everything they did, from their looks to their actual game. 85% of them were so focused on their mirror and trying to tool the other guys in order to be the alpha of the crew, all of that while having the certitude that their gimmicky method was the best. Honestly, I've seen everything, from shitty one-liners (Search for you charming prince no longer!) to push-ups in front of a girl you just approached. In summary, all of their tactics focused on reactions instead of results and never amount to anything really concrete other than a possible participation at CringeFest. And it definitely showed that they had not a single clue what being sexy is. And I went out with 2 different guys every time. Does that happen to you too or I'm just looking at the wrong places?

 

[Man-O]

I'd be careful to chastize people who put effort in becoming better at something, be it girls, sports or something as plain as fishing. If they're oblivious to how it's done since they're new and keen on becoming better and not just there to get their own validation and fuck with others then you should give them a hand, as they really need it.

However it is true that some of them (in my case all of them) have the tendencies you speak of, which is why I'm mostly solo night-gaming.

The worst ones were those who lied to everyone and screwed up girls and other people around them. Strangely the normal guys quit rather quick even though they're interested while the "crazy" ones last a few more months. But I'm only speaking from a sample size of 5 and what I've noticed from forums and talk.

 

[Bboy100]

A lot of the other seduction communities have some very weak tactics. They do work...but only on low self-esteem club girls (where these older pickup artists developed their "game"). It's not really the fault of the men you hung out with. They're just doing what the leaders of the PUA community suggest they do. The problem is that some of the more classic pickup stuff relies more on tricks, techniques etc. then it does on actually becoming better at socializing. It's almost like they put on a 7 hour show (they say that's how much time you MUST spend with a women in order to get her in bed...obviously false) which they've memorized. And again, they're also taught to exhibit this type of tooling/alpha behavior.

The reason why they're so tryhard is because again, the leaders of these communities suggest that they behave this way. For example, they suggest you must "qualify yourself" and "show value" via a variety of different techniques (all of which are 1-liners, pre-meditated stories, and attention grabbing behavior such as pushups) before a girl becomes attracted to you. This stuff is all obviously false. But there's no way people who have 0 experience with women would know this is the case prior to trying it out themselves. Especially since many of these older pickup artists make compelling theoretical cases for what they teach. Plus, their techniques do get positive reactions/validating behavior from women...something most men have never had (most men don't understand why this doesn't matter because they haven't read Chase's article on reactions vs results).

So consider yourself lucky for finding Chase's website first. Because frankly, any one of us easily could have been one of them.

 

[PrettyDecent]

onlyshallow,

Yeah, you've pretty much echoed my experiences. A couple of people I've met from forums have been incredible people I'm still friends with. The other ones I've met that followed RSD and Simple Pickup religiously were just...slightly off? If you can just sift through those guys, you can meet some really switched-on dudes, and it's worth it.

~Nick

 

[Estate]

It's down to the individual really.

But I had to laugh. Years ago I went to meet a few guys in a nearby town and pretty much at the exact same experience as you. I think you have to remember that this stuff does attract a lot of guys lacking social skills. We all go through phases. At first we suck and are shy, then we try and probably seem a little weird and then either guys give up or figure it out from there.

However, when you combine guys who lack social awareness with advice about how they should have "social freedom" weird things happen. Social freedom is good in a sense, but there's still basic rules to human interactions that they will ignore thinking they now can do or say ANYTHING. On top of that, some of the lines or things guys will say comes off creepy as hell if it's not coming from a confident well put together guy. I guess thats why Chases talks about fundamentals a lot.

On the things you encountered though, yeah, it's funny I saw the same.
A few of them acted like total douchebags. On first meeting them they literally tried to crush my hand with their handshake to show they were the "alpha", then basically stared me down to try re-affirm it. Even as a bit socially awkward back then myself, I nearly burst out laughing it was so ridiculous.
Same with the weird rehearsed lines which just didn't fit their personality or look and the turbo-approaching.

 

[Edd--19]

I don't have much experience in what you're saying, just the 1 in fact, but from what I saw he brought a good energy as he was very keen on improving he just lacked social intuition. Fortunately, as many guys I know have said, my sisters are hot so I observed them for my social intuition. I do like simple pickup, willy beck and so on... but I do think that it is aimed more towards the guys who are less experienced; so it grabs their attention.

I remember when I got stopped by some guys doing a free bootcamp during the day, they were curious about me. I found out that they all did night-game and hadn't calibrated completely to day-game. It was interesting to say the least. The thing is though that the guys who are inexperienced have a lot of enthusiasm and then they learn to tone it down. I think it helps them actually, they'll realise what they're doing isn't doing great and if they continue they will be able to handle rejection ridiculously well and be less outcome dependent. Just my opinion.

Either they'll give up or succeed. It doesn't matter really to you individually but as a potential source of help, and maybe friend, give them pointers subtly. Try "I like your enthusiasm, it's contagious, but maybe the girls can't handle it when they're going to work/home/etc...". I know my rating isn't much to brag about so take this how you will.

Edd

 

[onlyshallow]

Wow, looking back at this topic, I really come off as a huge hater haha. I had one of the cringiest days of my life out in town with simplepickup weirdos and disappointment got the better of me. But, at the same time, what you guys say is true, you can't hate when you don't know the social background of these guys. Maybe some were treated like the little bitch of service during their school years or even outright ignored. Couldn't blame someone to develop an inferiority complex under those circumstances. However, some still accepted to check out what's on here and I'm pretty sure that they could actually change their methods and become quite good after a month or two of reading the articles on here and praticing the theory in field (and let's say it, those guys don't back down from the application part of the equation, no matter what happens they push through it)