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This post is also a main overview of things I've been working on and that have happened!
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I had come back from holidays with my two female friends where we went after exams. This means that I have been unable to be in field for a good month and a half now due to studying and travel. This day marked the first day back in field!
Almost exactly a year ago, my gay friend and I went to Paris and did a pub crawl, and met an extremely socialite charming girl from Australia (not the LR here). She is a beauty influencer, and while I was having my LR- in the toilet stalls of some Paris club she became friends with my gay friend (gfriend). We had lunch the next day, then our ways parted. Let’s call her HBInfluencer.
A few weeks ago, she texted us saying she’d be coming to our city, so we made plans to meet up and went out for pub crawl! HBCuba also came.
HBInfluencer is the interesting type of girl that is extremely confident and knows how to act in ways that gets attention. Incredibly touchy, amazing dancer, very beautiful and… with gfriend there of course open about how promiscuous she is. Quite eye-opening, truly, what you hear. For instance, partying in a popular Balkan place and then grabbing her luggage at 4am to go to the bus. Then at the bus stop, she had stomach ache. Suddenly, a Nigerian guy comes past and opens her, they vibe, he ends up rubbing some healing oil on her stomach when the bus comes. She looks at the bus, looks at him, he says, “Stay… one more night,” she thinks about it… and ends up staying that one more night. I wish I could’ve read that man’s LR hahahhaha.
Either way, the point is such a girl together with HBCuba make for amazing pivots. One thing I realized is that any other girl that becomes part of the group by default accepts these pro-hookup frames!! At least it becomes much easier. This really ties into “talking about other girls” and creating narratives with the weasel phrase “oh my friend, she met this guy…” that I’ve been using in daygame and have really noticed how powerful it is.
HBAussie, an extremely cute black-haired girl with big tits, was part of a 3-set group that also had an extra guy. She was the only one single, they had just arrived for their 8 week Europe trip from Australia.
During the night, I had no intention to look for a pull, and in fact was having fun with gfriend and HBInfluencer. Made it a little game to see how much I can push-pull her because I noticed how “escalating” moves followed by strong takeaways just before she could do anything were hitting like a truck. Good learning for attention-seeking girls like her! Either way, with beautiful HBInfluencer literally throwing herself fully at me and snuggling up to the max, then me cupping her head and acting like I could kiss her… but then pushing her entirely away and turning to someone else, and this repeated in different ways, really gave me good preselection.
At some point, we are standing outside and realize all of HBAussie’s friends left. The two girls with boyfriends went back and the guy actually hooked up with this hot Brazilian girl! So she was left alone. We go back inside and dance, and I do my habitual mini-escalation bait where I touch her in a certain way (in this case, put my arm around her briefly), and see how she reacts. I am surprised by how strongly receptive she responds! I reward her a bit, then pull away, then go back. Then when I put my hand somewhere on her she puts her hand on mine and rubs it, which is like the ultimate signal.
I isolate us, I slow my voice and set suggestive frames that ends up with her kissing me. Bounce her to a couch somewhere more isolated; then I set up a yes-ladder.
“It’s an amazing night, isn’t it?” I say. “Yes it is,” she responds. “And you’re having an amazing night, aren’t you?” I say. “Yes I am!” She says, and I pause slightly. “So we should get out of here, yes?” I say with a sexy smile.
She stops, smiles and does not say anything, but pulls out her phone and starts checking if her friends are alright. She does not reply directly to it when I after a bit say it again, but with added “we can have some wine and just relax”.
She’s in that swaying semi-trance state where she’s feeling amazing and her body wants it but she also has some inhibitions. I build up her state some more, confirming how great she’s feeling, how this trip is what she deserves, how her friends are all safe and having a great time (guy that’s hooking up). She voices her final objection.
“This is amazing but… I have to go back to the hotel tonight,” she says. She repeats it.
“I understand that. At the same time, it’s also important and good to do what feels best to you, right? You’re friends are fine, they are doing great, it’s a great night, you’re feeling fantastic… and you have an easy connection back to hostel, it’s just one line [Actually it’s not so near but that doesn’t matter now does it
]”
She’s swaying with her body, periodically looking at me deeply. I match it and state project as powerfully as I can manage in the moment. “You’re the most tempting thing I’ve ever seen,” she says. Meanwhile I am just whispering little confirmations as mentioned above.
Then I look at her as she’s hesitating most. “So… what would you say is…,” I pause and think how to phrase it best, “What would you say is the main obstacle stopping us right now that we can find ourselves overcoming”.
I deliberately did not want to say “What is stopping you right now” because then that would create a list in her mind of things that can stop her and thus become real. Instead, I wanted her to think about what the main, surmountable obstacle would be.
She does not answer this question but soon after says we should go outside. So I grab her hand and we walk out, and she straight up goes to the exit. Okay, I see!
Then came a bit tricky moment.
“Is there public toilets here,” she asks as we step outside. I find out she has to pee. “Oh, then let’s go back, it’s easiest there,” I say because it truly is the easiest. But then as I lead her back to music and toilets I feel like it is a mistake because it would give her chance to rethink things. Both in terms of environmental anchors and the fact she’d be alone in the toilet and be away from my influence momentarily and maybe rethink things too.
Luckily it does not happen and I end up leading her home. Get her water, go to toilet, then set some music from @Lofty 's playlist that has served as my sex location playlist - shoutout to you brother!
One funny thing was that at the start of the evening, gfriend, HBInfluencer and I had decided to fake our names and origins. The problem was we had a bit ridiculous names and the story was rather outlandish (maybe “we were in same orphanage” is taking it a bit too far HAHAHHA), so of course people were not believing it after we were laughing too hard as we were saying it. HBAussie also was part of this, so after her friends left we gave her a fake name with corresponding mannerism too (always has to be combined).
The sex was great, she was really good at moving her hips and I enjoyed it a lot. Only thing is I did not cum again, somehow condoms really stop me there. Will be doing NoFap again to reset completely and perhaps fap with condom on to train this? I am not sure but I don’t want this to be limiting me… so will work on it for sure and figure it out.
Why do I mention this? Because I feel like this lay has come about in part due to the calibrations I’ve also learned because of this! I couldn't say what specifically, but it does seem like I have learned to carry myself a certain way in groups (girl groups).
It seems like this lay was a bit of a freebie with her being essentially DTF, and me just having to recognize and lead it properly.
For the future, I will have to think about whether I want to do more nightgame. Currently I do none at all because I have so many things to do too and it doesn’t work with a irregular sleep schedule, but maybe I can find ways around it. We shall see.
Onwards!
-Dev
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I had come back from holidays with my two female friends where we went after exams. This means that I have been unable to be in field for a good month and a half now due to studying and travel. This day marked the first day back in field!
Almost exactly a year ago, my gay friend and I went to Paris and did a pub crawl, and met an extremely socialite charming girl from Australia (not the LR here). She is a beauty influencer, and while I was having my LR- in the toilet stalls of some Paris club she became friends with my gay friend (gfriend). We had lunch the next day, then our ways parted. Let’s call her HBInfluencer.
A few weeks ago, she texted us saying she’d be coming to our city, so we made plans to meet up and went out for pub crawl! HBCuba also came.
HBInfluencer is the interesting type of girl that is extremely confident and knows how to act in ways that gets attention. Incredibly touchy, amazing dancer, very beautiful and… with gfriend there of course open about how promiscuous she is. Quite eye-opening, truly, what you hear. For instance, partying in a popular Balkan place and then grabbing her luggage at 4am to go to the bus. Then at the bus stop, she had stomach ache. Suddenly, a Nigerian guy comes past and opens her, they vibe, he ends up rubbing some healing oil on her stomach when the bus comes. She looks at the bus, looks at him, he says, “Stay… one more night,” she thinks about it… and ends up staying that one more night. I wish I could’ve read that man’s LR hahahhaha.
Either way, the point is such a girl together with HBCuba make for amazing pivots. One thing I realized is that any other girl that becomes part of the group by default accepts these pro-hookup frames!! At least it becomes much easier. This really ties into “talking about other girls” and creating narratives with the weasel phrase “oh my friend, she met this guy…” that I’ve been using in daygame and have really noticed how powerful it is.
HBAussie, an extremely cute black-haired girl with big tits, was part of a 3-set group that also had an extra guy. She was the only one single, they had just arrived for their 8 week Europe trip from Australia.
During the night, I had no intention to look for a pull, and in fact was having fun with gfriend and HBInfluencer. Made it a little game to see how much I can push-pull her because I noticed how “escalating” moves followed by strong takeaways just before she could do anything were hitting like a truck. Good learning for attention-seeking girls like her! Either way, with beautiful HBInfluencer literally throwing herself fully at me and snuggling up to the max, then me cupping her head and acting like I could kiss her… but then pushing her entirely away and turning to someone else, and this repeated in different ways, really gave me good preselection.
At some point, we are standing outside and realize all of HBAussie’s friends left. The two girls with boyfriends went back and the guy actually hooked up with this hot Brazilian girl! So she was left alone. We go back inside and dance, and I do my habitual mini-escalation bait where I touch her in a certain way (in this case, put my arm around her briefly), and see how she reacts. I am surprised by how strongly receptive she responds! I reward her a bit, then pull away, then go back. Then when I put my hand somewhere on her she puts her hand on mine and rubs it, which is like the ultimate signal.
I isolate us, I slow my voice and set suggestive frames that ends up with her kissing me. Bounce her to a couch somewhere more isolated; then I set up a yes-ladder.
“It’s an amazing night, isn’t it?” I say. “Yes it is,” she responds. “And you’re having an amazing night, aren’t you?” I say. “Yes I am!” She says, and I pause slightly. “So we should get out of here, yes?” I say with a sexy smile.
She stops, smiles and does not say anything, but pulls out her phone and starts checking if her friends are alright. She does not reply directly to it when I after a bit say it again, but with added “we can have some wine and just relax”.
She’s in that swaying semi-trance state where she’s feeling amazing and her body wants it but she also has some inhibitions. I build up her state some more, confirming how great she’s feeling, how this trip is what she deserves, how her friends are all safe and having a great time (guy that’s hooking up). She voices her final objection.
“This is amazing but… I have to go back to the hotel tonight,” she says. She repeats it.
“I understand that. At the same time, it’s also important and good to do what feels best to you, right? You’re friends are fine, they are doing great, it’s a great night, you’re feeling fantastic… and you have an easy connection back to hostel, it’s just one line [Actually it’s not so near but that doesn’t matter now does it
]”She’s swaying with her body, periodically looking at me deeply. I match it and state project as powerfully as I can manage in the moment. “You’re the most tempting thing I’ve ever seen,” she says. Meanwhile I am just whispering little confirmations as mentioned above.
Then I look at her as she’s hesitating most. “So… what would you say is…,” I pause and think how to phrase it best, “What would you say is the main obstacle stopping us right now that we can find ourselves overcoming”.
I deliberately did not want to say “What is stopping you right now” because then that would create a list in her mind of things that can stop her and thus become real. Instead, I wanted her to think about what the main, surmountable obstacle would be.
She does not answer this question but soon after says we should go outside. So I grab her hand and we walk out, and she straight up goes to the exit. Okay, I see!
Then came a bit tricky moment.
“Is there public toilets here,” she asks as we step outside. I find out she has to pee. “Oh, then let’s go back, it’s easiest there,” I say because it truly is the easiest. But then as I lead her back to music and toilets I feel like it is a mistake because it would give her chance to rethink things. Both in terms of environmental anchors and the fact she’d be alone in the toilet and be away from my influence momentarily and maybe rethink things too.
Luckily it does not happen and I end up leading her home. Get her water, go to toilet, then set some music from @Lofty 's playlist that has served as my sex location playlist - shoutout to you brother!
One funny thing was that at the start of the evening, gfriend, HBInfluencer and I had decided to fake our names and origins. The problem was we had a bit ridiculous names and the story was rather outlandish (maybe “we were in same orphanage” is taking it a bit too far HAHAHHA), so of course people were not believing it after we were laughing too hard as we were saying it. HBAussie also was part of this, so after her friends left we gave her a fake name with corresponding mannerism too (always has to be combined).
The sex was great, she was really good at moving her hips and I enjoyed it a lot. Only thing is I did not cum again, somehow condoms really stop me there. Will be doing NoFap again to reset completely and perhaps fap with condom on to train this? I am not sure but I don’t want this to be limiting me… so will work on it for sure and figure it out.
What I did well
- Good baseline - I have been away for like 45 days but was still sharp enough to recognize this chance, lead it through objections or inhibitions, and get the lay
- Particularly like how I framed the objection as something surmountable, the fact that I can now be thinking about details like this does make me happy
- Good setting up the pivots and dealing with them
- One thing I started trying out was setting anchors deliberately. According to Bishop’s journal, the two rules are: 1) Make it natural; 2) Make it unique. As such, when I talked about especially evoking and stimulating feelings that she was feeling, I set a medium-intrusive anchor just under her neck, where I tapped it twice with a finger and held it for a moment. Then, when she had that moment of hesitance, I fired it off again. How much this actually did is dubious, but it is undoubtedly something I am now adding to my game and improving on!
- In a sidenote, I was trying out hypnotic erotic stuff when I was smashing HBItaly again recently, and this shit actual worked!! With fingering I got her into a trance state where she woke up after and told me about it, how it felt like far more time had passed than actually had (time dilution), how she was picturing undefined colours, contours, and feelings. Incredible! And then while fucking I tried pacing and leading, embedded commands kind things and when I added the “As you xyz, you now suddenly feel this overwhelming sense of… pleasure” I could visibly see her body shake and react. Just because of my words and how I set it up. How incredible… also with this just being the tip of the iceberg of what is possible. All hail Major Mark!
What I can improve
- The escalation was a bit choppy perhaps, in the sense that once I got her isolated I honestly did not know what other to talk to her to except trance-inducing SOT-like topics. She said twice or three times, “You’re so poetic now”. My answer is always, “Maybe it’s your fault for bringing it out of me”. But will have to think about this. Of course less of an issue for sets that did not come about when I’m with friends, because then I am much more heavily chase-frame, push-pull style.
- Toilet issue. If I feel like she’s a bit too much on the fence, should make her hold it to my place. If not, toilet at bar or club could be fine too. Not too sure actually.
- This was me not actively looking for a lay but rather just recognizing it and acting accordingly. I wonder how things would have played out if I had been actively going for it from the start. Because too “heavy” too early in the night means you still have to wait to pull perhaps. Something to think about.
Outlook
Overall, one thing I have to say is that I have been spending this last year especially being close to and having female friends. My two female friends that I went on holidays with to their country I am really close with, and I have learned a lot. It reminds you of the quote in Zan Perrion’s book “The Alabaster Girl”, where he mentions “diving deep into woman land”. This is exactly what it feels like, and I feel it gives me lots of learning experience in terms of calibration. In fact I have made a few important learnings about having female friends and seductions in groups, which are based on my nascent experiments in operant conditioning, or “hand” as Gunwitch seems to call it for relationships. In particular with usage of touch. Will make a more detailed post of this in my journal I think, but in a nutshell I’ve reduced touch a lot and use it far more selectively. Much less as a stimulant, but more of a strategic reward.Why do I mention this? Because I feel like this lay has come about in part due to the calibrations I’ve also learned because of this! I couldn't say what specifically, but it does seem like I have learned to carry myself a certain way in groups (girl groups).
It seems like this lay was a bit of a freebie with her being essentially DTF, and me just having to recognize and lead it properly.
For the future, I will have to think about whether I want to do more nightgame. Currently I do none at all because I have so many things to do too and it doesn’t work with a irregular sleep schedule, but maybe I can find ways around it. We shall see.
Onwards!
-Dev
