Help with community college

[Blessed]

Blessed here, I am back and I want to take seduction more seriously. I"m not going to make it too long because I really would like for someone to read this and respond.

My top goals:
Mastering my mentalities/knowing when to use them based on the given situation.
Finish semester with 4.0 so I can transfer back to a university. <------ Get to this is a sec.
Get some ass from a quality girl/improve my efficiency with women
These are pretty time consuming which is why I having been that active on the forums.

From 2013 to 2015
2013: Long story short I did pretty well academically in high school and my college was giving me $35,000 to attend on campus and I dropped out after first semester... I know I should be ashamed and I was... The reason was because I couldn't get girls to see me as a someone they could feel comfortable of getting sexual with. Just didn't feel comfortable trying to escalate or get sexual or express interest because I believed girls would see me like every other guy who was horny/thirsty which would lower my chances of quality girls. This mentality alone has plagued me.

2014: I return home depress. I mean the school was giving me $35,000 to attend and I left because i was having girl problems. Man I was beaten myself up. Then I move down south to live with my father because my family was extremely disappointed in my decision particularly because I was giving them other excuses why I left campus. While living with my dad he taught me to never feel sorry for myself because it would just enable me to make more excuses to justify my actions which will keep me in a state of failure. Basically the Victim Mentality. I have this mentality mastered in regards to not being a victim by any means. In other words, I UTTERLY REFUSE TO BE A VICTIM IN ANY SITUATION I DON'T CARE IF I HAVE A GUN POINTED TO MY HEAD I WILL NOT GET ON MY KNEES AND WHINE TO GOD TO SPARE MY LIFE BECAUSE THAT IS JUST GIVING THE UNIVERSE PERMISSION TO IMPOSE ON YOUR WEAKNESS OF BEING A VICTIM WHICH IN RESULT YOU DIE. So I attended a community college where and I made at least 10 efficient approaches all in which I showed direct interest. Most of these girls were older at 22 and up but none of them were bad approaches but I learned to focus on my fundamentals most of the perception of me was a handsome young boy trying to hit on them -__-.

2015: So now I moved back with my mom because she has been sick and so I am currently attending another community helping her out as well. And I must say I have most of my fundamentals mastered. But my main problem is showing my interest to a girl in class in a smooth non-pick up-y way I guess. I honestly feel content with everything else. I'm definitely focused on mentalities. Such as understanding women love sex honestly I think this will cure women in seeing me in a non-sexual way. Being attainable. I know for a fact I fit in the category of men who are too unattainable I see that many girls and women are afraid to approach in any form specifically because I come off as high value I am well-dress, body language is on point, no awkward tendencies, and I am socially calibrated.

So here are my questions.
Can someone elaborate on expressing interest in a non-pick-y way? Again my mentality is by me expressing direct interest in a school setting i would be perceived as too much of a chaser.

Lastly how can I be more attainable in such a way girls can feel themselves being sexual with me? Again in class I'm mostly quiet because I don't want to come off as that smart kid. Because usually when I speak its usually the right answer and I say it in a aloof way as if the class should know the answer but i digress. Like one day a girl said that marble was a color and I laugh(in a how silly of you kind of way) and said marble is not a color. She looked at me and said it is and same no it's not and then she said in her world it was. Basically i was making her feel lower value because she said something childish. This is not good because women will not feel comfortable with me because they are afraid I will make they are not valuable enough.


Thanks for reading and give me some opinions.

 

[Drck]

Not sure if I understand your questions, but IMO you are making it more difficult than it is.

1. 2013: You are a smart guy, GPA 4.0 >> Ok, well, use your smartness then, get ahead of yourself, focus on getting a good education and good job. That should be your Number 1 priority at this time, girls only come second. Girls come and go anyway...

2. 2014: You got 35K for college, yet you dropped after first semester. Well, maybe you are not that smart at all as you claim, smart person wouldn't do it this way. You wasted all of this time and money because you couldn't get girls... Huh? Come again? You get back home, all depressed... Poor you... Maybe if you weren't fucking around at first place you wouldn't get depressed?? You are making excuses. You are not fooling anyone else bro, the only person you are fooling is yourself... Your family is disappointed with you, and they should be. They should actually call you a loser. And you should pay back those 35K because it was just wasted on you, so they can actually give it to students who are interested in studying... That is how you learn the fastest way bro, from your own mistakes that hurt...

3. 2015: And now you don't know what else to do, so you move back to live with mom... Ok, is it a true help, or just another excuse? You are the only one who knows the truth...

4. Expressing interest in a non-picky way... OK, so what is picky way? You see a girl, you go talk to her and you try to pick her up. Get a date, get intimate, sleep with her... That is a picky way, whatever you want to call it, you just can't do it directly, e.g. you can't chase. In essence the whole GC is about this, how to seduce girls in smart way...

So you see a girl in college, and you go and talk to her. You don't tell her right away that she's got great tits and ass. You don't tell her that you are in college just because you can chase girls. You don't tell her that you don't study at all, you don't tell her that you are wasting 35K for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and you don't tell her that instead of studying you are chasing girls, yet no results anyway. No, don't tell her the truth, she doesn't want to hear the truth...

Be rather indirect - you talk to her and tell her that she's got an interesting book and if you could borrow it for a week or so, just to make a couple of important notes, because you are studying really hard (aren't you?) the same subject and that it really interests you (doesn't it?) the same way it interests her. Then you ask her for a phone number, so you can call her a couple of days later and return the book to her, in person. Then you call her couple of days later, and just BTW, you say, since she was so kind and let you have the book for couple of days - how about I'll get you a coffee for lending me that book? That idea just came out of nowhere... how kind of her, she deserves at least coffee... You owe her coffee, she's got to go...

And then you take her for coffee, and discuss perhaps some interesting things that you learned from that book (you actually opened that book and read something, right?). Maybe she could help you understand some concepts which you are not clear about... Duh! You can even use the same lame excuse for the next 5 dates, before she becomes suspicious... Well, not really, she knows right away, but that is not the point...

5. Lastly, how can you be more attainable so girls can feel sexual around you? Well, the problem is the smartness. You have the whole smartness backwards. During the class you do show smartness. If you know the correct answer, you give the correct answer. Loud and clear, so everybody can hear it. You want to be smart. For God's sake, why would you want to go to college, have GPA 4.0, spent 35K - and look like a dumb person? Be fucking smart! On the other hand, if a girl says something cute and silly, such as that marble is a color: You don't laugh AT her. That way she doesn't get insulted because you think she's stupid... You may want to laugh WITH her. You may want to show her that you see exactly the same world as she describes - in this world of hers, which you do understand well, the marble is brown. It is brown because both of you see the same world. The marble is just brown, and that is it. The only one who is stupid would be the professor who claims that it is not true. This way she can relate to you, this way she can trust you more because you are not making fun of her not being smart enough, and since she can trust you she can open to you otherwise...

Be smart bro, be smart as much as you can...

 

[ray_zorse]

Hey mate I'm gonna give some advice here which may go against GC a little, but lately I've been getting quite into Sasha's mentality, you should go watch his 7-part video series on daygame... it's on Youtube, you can find a playlist for it, or you can sign up to Sasha's website to get a link to the first video on Youtube.

Basically these guys are saying you should always go direct... and I can't find anything wrong with this advice, they don't use a lot of game-y techniques and nor are they as technically focused as GC (having just the right eye contact, vibe, posture, etc)... what they're basically saying is, by removing limiting beliefs and coming from a genuine place, you can express attraction straightaway and in a non-creepy way. So I'm kinda coming around to the view that if you're into your classmate then you should tell her. Try something like "you are cute and I think it would be fun to spend time together". If you're confident you can kinda just tell the truth (within reason) and have it go well. On the other hand it takes balls, and I'm only partway through absorbing/implementing Sasha's mindset.

But, and this is a big but... be discreet! I feel you're concerned about getting a game-y reputation and you should be -- if you just go around burning it down and mechanically telling every girl how amazingly cute they are and that you wanted to introduce yourself, blah blah, then you won't do well in social circle (which is what community college kind of is). So it might be a better idea to do what Drck says and get her number somehow before telling her the above privately. Or just in the course of a study date, or conversations where others aren't listening (but this can be surprisingly hard to arrange in a college environment!).

-Ray

 

[Seer]

Basically these guys are saying you should always go direct... and I can't find anything wrong with this advice, they don't use a lot of game-y techniques and nor are they as technically focused as GC (having just the right eye contact, vibe, posture, etc)... what they're basically saying is, by removing limiting beliefs and coming from a genuine place, you can express attraction straightaway and in a non-creepy way. So I'm kinda coming around to the view that if you're into your classmate then you should tell her. Try something like "you are cute and I think it would be fun to spend time together". If you're confident you can kinda just tell the truth (within reason) and have it go well. On the other hand it takes balls, and I'm only partway through absorbing/implementing Sasha's mindset.
-Ray

Good advice, Ray. That's something I came to realize in my latest FR. Building up some rapport over a few days isn't bad if needed as shown in Chase's classroom article. But you can definitely be direct if the situation calls for it.

-Seer

 

[Drck]

IMO it all depends. For example, if you are a shy and inexperienced guy, direct game may work but most likely you will mess up because she will recognize quite fast that you are only pretending confidence as there is no congruence. If you are more aggressive guy with balls and decent experience, indirect game may just drag you down, it is a waste of time.

Age and experience of that particular girl is also important. If she is young, inexperienced and shy, direct game could easily push her to autorejection. If she is older (say 30+), confident and have good experience with guys, indirect game may be a good start, but if you continue she will most likely shift you to faggot zone quite fast. These girls don't give you second chance unless she is desperate, and if she does consider yourself extremely lucky.

There is simply lots of variables, some you can influence and others not... Why to make it complicated though? Just keep it simple. You see a girl and you go talk to her. You just talk, there is no reason to tell her she's cute the first sentence. She knows she is cute. IF there are good vibes, you can turn on the heat. IF she backs away, you cool off, go slower, simply you don't chase. IF she gives you a window, you do your best to capitalize on it, and depending on your experience you'll either succeed or not. Either way, you push forward as far as you can to gain more experience...

You simply kind of 'mirror' her actions: Start neutral to test the waters, see what kind of person she is at first place >> kind of push forward to generate some reactions >> wait for her response >> pull back or push forward depending on her response. Simple, dynamic, natural, and can be applied on inexperienced or experienced girls regardless your own experience...

Having different techniques and games is like discussing who is a better fighter: the guy who does judo, or the other guys who do karate, take-kwon-do, box... Each is simply different, there are lots of variables, and many times it depends on what suits better that particular guy. As a good fighter you try what you like, and you stick with what suits you the best, and hopefully you'll get to the point where you combine the best techniques that suits you.... If you are a robust guy with short stumpy legs and can't do split no matter what, there is a high chance that many other guys will beat you in tae-kwon-do. On the other hand you might be quite good in judo or Shotokan...

 

[Blessed]

First and foremost thanks Drck for the reply and taking out the time to give your opinion.

Drck: You are a smart guy, GPA 4.0 >> Ok, well, use your smartness then, get ahead of yourself, focus on getting a good education and good job. That should be your Number 1 priority at this time, girls only come second. Girls come and go anyway...

Yep I 100% agree.

Drck:You got 35K for college, yet you dropped after first semester. Well, maybe you are not that smart at all as you claim, smart person wouldn't do it this way. You wasted all of this time and money because you couldn't get girls... Huh? Come again? You get back home, all depressed... Poor you... Maybe if you weren't fucking around at first place you wouldn't get depressed?? You are making excuses. You are not fooling anyone else bro, the only person you are fooling is yourself... Your family is disappointed with you, and they should be. They should actually call you a loser. And you should pay back those 35K because it was just wasted on you, so they can actually give it to students who are interested in studying... That is how you learn the fastest way bro, from your own mistakes that hurt...

Ok fortunately I have thick skin and I do not take your criticism harsh but go a little easier on future members at least new members because it's a little unbecoming. But you are correct that wasn't smart by no means. But yes I was weak and I had the victim mentality and those days are over. By the way I did not waste 35k because I transferred. After the semester was over again my lack of clarification.

Drck: And now you don't know what else to do, so you move back to live with mom... Ok, is it a true help, or just another excuse? You are the only one who knows the truth...

I wasn't clear, I move back with mom because she is ill I am currently going to community college so I can get back on campus.

Drck:Expressing interest in a non-picky way... OK, so what is picky way? You see a girl, you go talk to her and you try to pick her up. Get a date, get intimate, sleep with her... That is a picky way, whatever you want to call it, you just can't do it directly, e.g. you can't chase. In essence the whole GC is about this, how to seduce girls in smart way...

I wasn't clear again I meant non-pickup-y...like in a way she can tell a mile a way im trying to pick her up.

Drck:Be smart bro, be smart as much as you can...

100% agree. Thanks again Drck on the insights my bad man on the clarification because you did state in the beginning you were a little confused. I know I probably messed up on the reply part but I will figure it out.

 

[Blessed]

Hey mate I'm gonna give some advice here which may go against GC a little, but lately I've been getting quite into Sasha's mentality, you should go watch his 7-part video series on daygame... it's on Youtube, you can find a playlist for it, or you can sign up to Sasha's website to get a link to the first video on Youtube.

Basically these guys are saying you should always go direct... and I can't find anything wrong with this advice, they don't use a lot of game-y techniques and nor are they as technically focused as GC (having just the right eye contact, vibe, posture, etc)... what they're basically saying is, by removing limiting beliefs and coming from a genuine place, you can express attraction straightaway and in a non-creepy way. So I'm kinda coming around to the view that if you're into your classmate then you should tell her. Try something like "you are cute and I think it would be fun to spend time together". If you're confident you can kinda just tell the truth (within reason) and have it go well. On the other hand it takes balls, and I'm only partway through absorbing/implementing Sasha's mindset.

But, and this is a big but... be discreet! I feel you're concerned about getting a game-y reputation and you should be -- if you just go around burning it down and mechanically telling every girl how amazingly cute they are and that you wanted to introduce yourself, blah blah, then you won't do well in social circle (which is what community college kind of is). So it might be a better idea to do what Drck says and get her number somehow before telling her the above privately. Or just in the course of a study date, or conversations where others aren't listening (but this can be surprisingly hard to arrange in a college environment!).

-Ray

Thanks Ray for the reply and you are dead on about the game-y reputation. That's exactly what I meant to clarify. I honestly hate indirect because it feels like I'm just beating around the bush but I will definitely check out the Sasha mentality. And yes the discreet part is also where I was trying to get at. I didn't want to much social pressure to be on her if I was asking her out in front of everyone. Ima have to man up and pull her to the side or something<<<Adrenaline Rush.

 

[Blessed]

IMO it all depends. For example, if you are a shy and inexperienced guy, direct game may work but most likely you will mess up because she will recognize quite fast that you are only pretending confidence as there is no congruence. If you are more aggressive guy with balls and decent experience, indirect game may just drag you down, it is a waste of time.

Age and experience of that particular girl is also important. If she is young, inexperienced and shy, direct game could easily push her to autorejection. If she is older (say 30+), confident and have good experience with guys, indirect game may be a good start, but if you continue she will most likely shift you to faggot zone quite fast. These girls don't give you second chance unless she is desperate, and if she does consider yourself extremely lucky.

There is simply lots of variables, some you can influence and others not... Why to make it complicated though? Just keep it simple. You see a girl and you go talk to her. You just talk, there is no reason to tell her she's cute the first sentence. She knows she is cute. IF there are good vibes, you can turn on the heat. IF she backs away, you cool off, go slower, simply you don't chase. IF she gives you a window, you do your best to capitalize on it, and depending on your experience you'll either succeed or not. Either way, you push forward as far as you can to gain more experience...

You simply kind of 'mirror' her actions: Start neutral to test the waters, see what kind of person she is at first place >> kind of push forward to generate some reactions >> wait for her response >> pull back or push forward depending on her response. Simple, dynamic, natural, and can be applied on inexperienced or experienced girls regardless your own experience...

Having different techniques and games is like discussing who is a better fighter: the guy who does judo, or the other guys who do karate, take-kwon-do, box... Each is simply different, there are lots of variables, and many times it depends on what suits better that particular guy. As a good fighter you try what you like, and you stick with what suits you the best, and hopefully you'll get to the point where you combine the best techniques that suits you.... If you are a robust guy with short stumpy legs and can't do split no matter what, there is a high chance that many other guys will beat you in tae-kwon-do. On the other hand you might be quite good in judo or Shotokan...

Yeah I'm just going go talk to her to see where it goes if she gives me some sign of attraction then like you said I'll move forward just to get the experience. I'm pretty simple I don't like anything flashy, just going to confidently approach and see how far I can take it.

 

[ray_zorse]

Good stuff, just remember to assume attraction.
-Ray