Hey Chase, just curious - is your stuff authentic?

[Drck]

I've been reading different blogs, and to my surprise I came up to a blog dated back to 2004. As far as I can tell the guy is from Canada. He's got quite similar views, the stuff is written little bit differently, but some of the things I read is quite similar to what Chase is describing/talking about in his blog, if not the same. Even titles and discussions such as lover/provider, having sex, escalating and so on, very very similar. I even have the impression that Chase and that author are the same person, only with 5-10 years of improvement...

Not that it matters, in my opinion most of the PUA/seduction stuff is based on the same things anyway, only differently described by another individuals. Sometimes I come up with stuff I would swear is my own conclusions or tactic, then I read about it several days later on some web...

Great job either way

 

[Ryan]

Could you post a link to that site please? I'm curious

 

[Drck]

Could you post a link to that site please? I'm curious

Sure, see no-maam.blogspot.com. I'm still reading it, but see for example The book of pook or The philosophy of MGTOW.

Some of the blogs go back to 2001, which means that the guy(s) who wrote it must have been in the business of seduction/dealing with women for several years to gain such insight. Unless, of course, they also read it some other place and simply re-wrote it to make it seem that it is their own discovery.

Personally I always considered Chase to be quite advanced in this stuff, far ahead of anyone else who writes about things like this, but reading these 10 year old blogs I'm kind of changing my mind. A lot of that stuff was here before, in perhaps simpler language and not in such depth. As a matter of fact, a lot of from these blogs is also touching on life philosophy (and not just seduction), which makes it even more interesting.

But again, this is no accusation of any kind, most of us guys need more people like Chase to help us understand what is going on In our interaction with women. I must admit, without these blogs I would be totally lost.

 

[Franco]

Drck,

Chase started in the PUA community when he was learning to get better with women at the beginning. A lot of his terminology and his tactics are based off of things that PUAs did that actually worked. So there was no need for him to "re-invent the wheel" so to speak, so a chunk of the material that you might find on this website will also be available on other PUA websites.

However, Chase also took the time to explore his own paths and filter out the things about PUA that didn't actually pan out (such as front-loading value and telling girls about how "amazing" you are -- I'm pretty sure "deep-diving" is something that is unique to Chase's exploration of what women really want). What's also great about Chase's website, as you've already mentioned, is that he explains the material in a way that is very easy to follow and extremely relatable. Whenever you finish reading one of his articles, you feel like you've been enlightened by something that was initially complex or misunderstood by you. So the amount of clarity given by each article written here is superior to any other blog or website I've come across.

So in essence, a lot of the techniques to seducing women have been floating around the web for sometime, but none of it is nearly as comprehensive as what Chase has put together here, and some of it just simply doesn't work (or hasn't been field-tested extensively like Chase took the time to do). It is always good to branch out and see what else is out there, but I think you'll find that there's very little information that actually works that isn't already on this website.

- Franco

 

[metomeya]

Ever hear of convergent evolution?

Even if Chase is talking about the same thing as this guy, doesn't mean he took it from him. They probably both came to the same conclusion through experience.

I bet people who lived in Manhattan in the 1910s (when the population was 2.3 million) that tried to sleep with as many women as possible came to the same conclusions. They probably even shared it with their friends. But they wouldn't and couldn't publish it in the book cause that was for the nerds in their ivory towers. You didn't see anything like this in the 60s, 70s, or 80s, cause there wasn't a market for this stuff. There wasn't a market because of ignorance ("I don't need that crap to get women!" or "Where is his Ph.D?"). No pickup artist could publish something and make money like a so called "professional" could. But in the 90s with the internet, there was an audience for that stuff and pickup artists could show their abilities and results.

 

[metomeya]

Drck,

I am curious any favorite posts from No Ma'am?

Thanks,
M

 

[Drck]

Drck,

I am curious any favorite posts from No Ma'am?

Thanks,
M

There is really no single or favorite post. Lots of them are good, but I think it is rather a combination of them. For example, I knew 5 years ago - don't provide for her, say No. Then I meet some girl, say 3 years ago. I don't really expect anything but she starts hitting on me. But I'm friendly only, I talk about myself, I'm not trying to be sexual. But She's really nice and cute, good character, educated, she gives me windows, the more I get to know her the more I want her.... So I start thinking, hesitating, but by the time I decide for action her attraction drops. I know I blew it up, I know she is fading away...

But I changed my mind, I tried to raise her attraction again, and up to some point it is successful. But now it is a lot of work for me, I am thinking about her, I'm investing my emotions into her. She is a "bigger price" than me now, I start chasing her even though I know I shouldn't and I pretend that I don't. But it is chasing. She asks me to do something for her. In stead of saying No, No and No, I do it. And here it goes, I'm in friend zone. I'm pissed at myself that I blew it all up again, that Now I have to deal with my own emotions and rejection, while I know she sees me only as a friend. I even knew ahead that my chances are low and that in high probability I face rejection/pain. I did it anyway, just for the experience. Now there is nothing I can do, the rejection really came and it was painful.

Then I go and read a blog, say 1-2 years after she's gone. Just by reading one topic after another, I go through the whole interaction with her, as well as with other girls I lost, and see what and where I missed, what I screwed up - wow, if I only did this or that at that time, If I only said NO at that time, she (and the others) could have easily be mine. I knew that stuff, but I DIDN'T do it. I was weak, nice and providing. So Now I'm reinforcing my knowledge, trying to figure easier and simpler ways, trying to avoid any future possible rejections. Would I do it again? YES, for the sake of experience, there is perhaps no better teacher than pain, no better teacher than own experience. But this time it is much different.

It's actually quite simple once you get it all down: Be the man and nail her as soon as possible while her attraction for you is high and you emotions towards her are relatively low, that is within the first 1-3 meetings, or walk away with no regrets. Otherwise suffer...

The way I see it today, "be the man" is the most difficult part, and I see it here and around me over and over, it's everywhere. There are only Boys, weak wimps who try to "get her". There are "NO MEN" anymore to learn from. We learn seduction in stead of how to be real man, "The Man". Because if you are "the man" there is really no need to know anything about seduction. She will find you, she will seduce you, and she will want to keep you - while you can walk any time you want. Not the other way...

 

[metomeya]

We've all been there. But thats life. Maybe in someone other's life they found the material before they found the "love of their life." He even gets the girl, but then he loses his mom cause he forgot to get her brakes checked before that road trip. He blames himself forever. No one has a perfect life. Hopefully when you are reborn it will be better. You'll be the man when you are born a baby!

Looks like a really cool blog, but I just have a hard time getting into it. For now I'm sticking with Chase and a few others.