Hi guys!

[demigod]

Hi guys!
I'm new to the social arts, but I've been reading Chase's book on/off throughout the year. Great stuff, confirms a lot of my earlier suspicions regarding a lot of things, and hearing it from someone else is quite reinforcing.
I've been making slow changes to my lifestyle and posture, which used to be a huge problem for me so, progress is being made at least.

Now, I have a slight hitch. I only seem to attract fat girls. I honestly don't know why. They obviously start chasing easily. This might be my fault since it felt easier experimenting on them when I started doing some of the basics, as I didn't fear rejection (I welcomed it), and I used to be very reserved.
But now, It is like healthy, fit girls ignore me. Perhaps me being slightly more nervous shows, but I try to keep it under control as best I can. I'm also careful with investment. Only ever giving enough to keep things rolling.

Granted, I'm kinda short, 171cm (Which I think is around 5'6"?) 65 kg. But I'm healthy and fit looking, not fat at all. I think My facial features are average, but I can't change much there so, yeah. Also started doing more exercises recently, at the very least, I'm not a bridge troll.

Any advice?

 

[ray_zorse]

Greetings mate.

Did u lay the fat girls yet, if so how many.

Reactions != results. Girls chasing you is a reaction, not a result. There are MANY pitfalls to turning this into a result. If anything fat girls are harder to lay than cute girls. They're insecure and prone to drama. They have underlying psychological issues that cause them to overeat. They HATE being talked down to. If you just see her as a lay and an unattractive one at that... or you feel entitled to lay her... these attitudes leak out unless you're super careful. Mind your attainability and build a strong emotional connection or she will know you just want to fuck fat girls to get your notch count up. Great practice for u.

Well, a month ago I NEXTed a fatty I met in the gym cos it was taking too long to set up logistics over text, I figured she was not chasing hard enough as didn't offer to change her schedule for me and counter offering stuff that was too far away from my fuckpad. But that's b/c I do not really need that practice anymore. If anything my problem is my standards are too low, I will fuck anything at all provided she's not cluster B. But honestly I have to get out my A-game in every single case. There are no slam dunks here, ALL women HATE beta males. My only advice with fatties: Push yourself and MOVE FASTER so you can nail it before she auto rejects. Good hunting.

Ray

 

[demigod]

Well, I don't lay them. Bu they do offer me their numbers, usually without so much as a hint.
I don't on laying them either. I just used them for practising some fundamentals. I feel bad for giving them false hope, which wasn't what I set out to do.
I guess the safest bet is to avoid speaking to them all together.
The girls only seemed to be enjoying the conversation, which is all I wanted to do practice anyway. Fundamentals and being a better conversationalist.

 

[ray_zorse]

Maate! This is so funny, what if girls didn't talk to guys for fear if giving false hope, then where would we be? What if you couldn't walk into a car showroom for fear of giving the salesman false hope? How would you get test drives then?

What I'm getting at here is you need to take into account the rules of the game here, the girl is absolutely entitled to give the guy false hope, give numbers, go on dates etc and he makes one false step (or she was on the fence in the first place) and wham all that investment gone. Why shouldn't you play by the same rules? A conversation isn't a contract. And you must absolutely talk to them, be warm and flirtatious and of course commit to nothing. Hotter girls will see this and think wow, other women like him -- and look how he handles himself -- has them all eating out of his hand -- well I'M higher than them... BUT where there's smoke there's fire... has he laid them OR IS HE JUST A TEASE -- etc.

Ray

 

[demigod]

Ray, that is some brilliant wisdom right there.
I did mainly keep it going for the "Girls like this guy?" effect. But your take on the rules really gives me better, more rational view.
Basically I should just keep this up, and be flirty, and eventually the hot ones will...melt?
Thanks mate.

 

[Bboy100]

I've had the same experience. During nightgame, fat girls will chase me more often and harder than anyone else. Often with 0 effort on my part. Usually they'll approach me. This does happen with other girls, but far less often.

Additionally, I have been catfished on Tinder several times (lead to believe a girl looks better than she actually does). And almost every time this has happened, the girl was notably heavier than what her pictures advertise. These girls too always chase me suuper hard. Like, I do pretty much nothing, and they seem just about ready to jump into bed with me. This almost never happens with other girls.

Also, I've heard several dating coaches including Chase mention that in seduction, we typically learn to do things in this order:
-Nothing (i.e. not approaching/talking to girls) <---This is our starting point
-Approaches but get no phone numbers nor dates
-Approach and get phone numbers but no Dates
-Get dates but no sex
-Sex with girls
-Sex with Hot girls
-Sex with "total package" girls (i.e. girls who are both physically attractive and have other positive qualities)


This seems to line up with my experience so far (although to be fair, I'm on the "Sex with girls" phase, so I can't say from experience what if anything happens after that). So what I'm saying is, being attractive only to ugly/fat girls is apparently a normal phase in the process. As you get better at this game, you will notice that hot girls will also start Chasing you. So, I wouldn't worry about this. Just keep improving and you'll do fine.

Also, I've noticed that hot girls are typically display less signs of interest, regardless of how they actually feel. So just keep in mind that just because they're not chasing doesn't mean they don't want you to move things forward.

 

[demigod]

Hmm yeah. I'm at Do nothing and approach (But not doing phone numbers and such.)
I'm more interested in improving overall social skills than just getting girls. But I'll get there eventually.

I'm really not keen on on screwing fat girls at the moment haha.

 

[ray_zorse]

Each to their own but, I want to share a story here... I have been keen to learn piano for a long time. (I can't read music and I have little musical knowledge because lazy teachers at school couldn't be bothered and excused me from music). So I bought a keyboard and some sheet music and spent a summer (6 weeks holiday) learning to play my favourite song from the top. I got pretty good at the first few bars... not as good at the next few bars... and never even reached the chorus... my sister-in-law (among others) happened past and asked what I was doing... said "but what about your scales!", I scoffed at her: "I'm not interested in scales... BO-RING! I want to play Beatles!", well needless to say I lost interest after the 6 weeks was up and never returned to practice what I knew because it was discouraging to have so little success. Walk before you can run bro. If fat girls are giving you their number, IMO you are a dickhead not to follow it up. I bet the first 10 times you don't get laid either, because you will make obvious FU's. If you prefer to make those FU's with hot girls instead of laying them, I guess it is your decision to make.

Ray