Hi, I'm new. Guess I'll start by making a journal.

[KnownUniverse]

39. Unemployed. Tall. 30% bodyfat. Poorly educated. Trying put myself out there as often as possible. Heading out tonight and feeling nervous. Had some success here and there over the last year but i struggle with consistency. I would like to consistently feel and behave a certain way but my neurotic brain has me bouncing all over the place--some days im really grounded and full of masculine energy while other times i feel weak and constantly on the backfoot getting ignored and rejected by every woman i open.

Will see how things go...

 

[KnownUniverse]

not much happened on saturday night. Everywhere was kind of dead due to the easter long weekend i think. I opened a couple of sets here and there. Used my palm read opener where i pretend to read her future. I use this on the hot bratty chicks that will likely ignore me or give me bad reactions to a standard opener. They all want to know their future so it's an easy way to get them engaged from the get go but it does feel a bit cheesy like doing magic tricks so it's not ideal it's more of a last resort.

The first venue i went to had about 30 people in it which is nothing. I opened a 2 set of teenaged girls that approached the bar. they were about 18 or 19. I told the girl closest to me i can read her future if she shows me her hands and she jumps at me excitedly. Her friend also starts jumping at me to do her next. As i read her palm lines I do a bit of digging about them and find out they are in a group of 8 girls so i was probably not gonna get far with them. And the bartender was harassing me to make my order i think he was trying to cockblock because he can see im talking to the girls and he's yelling at me for my order. what a f-wit. I turn to him and say i've already ordered but i should've just ignored him. then the other girls wants me to read her palms and i tell her to wait while i pay for my drink and she says never mind and walks off.

i ditched that venue because it didnt seem to be picking up and i walked to another. On the way i greet an older woman and she is very receptive. She is in her 50s with a good physique. She had a real nice face and body but she was too old for me. I invited her to the next venue anyway and we went to bar and got a drink together. I felt embarrassed being seen with her because of her age. We were holding hands but she wasnt dtf so after the first drink i walked her "home" and then i went to another venue which was also dead.

This last venue had about 30 people. I opened a few hotties in their 20s and early 30s. Got close dancing with one from England. The tension with her faded after a bit especially when she took me to her friend group and i started talking to her friends so she ended up walking off and the friend i was left talking with was there with her boyfriend. My mind gets very erratic in social situations I'm a bit like George Clooney in the movie Burn After Reading which comes across as quite emasculate so that's another thing I need to work on-being calm and steady when socializing with women which leads me to my next issue:

I find solo night game to be much harder than with a wing. Mainly because I feel tense and vulnerable opening random women and groups like I'm going into battle all by myself. When I'm with a wingman or two I'm way more confident and comfortable. I do the exact same things I do solo, but I’m more relaxed, comfortable, and energetic when I’m with a few friends, which improves my sets—even if those friends don’t game. Just the feeling of having “allies” with me boosts my mood. That said, they can also sabotage me by saying stupid things, and since they don’t study game, they often just stand there watching while I do all the talking. Still, I’ve found it’s better than going solo.

So I think my end goal is to get better calibrated and skilled at conversing with women for longer periods then i'll start going with an experienced wingman. I also want my game to be better so i'm not the only guy in the group not pulling.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Thursday night went to the city, was going to hit a club but by the time I got there it was 10pm and my last bus home is 12am so didn’t want pay entry for only 2hrs. Instead I did a bunch of street approaches.

first approach took place at the bus stop near my house, two young Asian girls are sitting there talking and I greet them like a friendly old man as I sit down “hello!” I say with a big smile. They look at me like I’m a psycho and go back to their conversation. Mind you it’s like 8pm at night in a big city. A few seconds later I turn and say “you’re from Vietnam?” The one closest to me lights up and says “yes how do you know?” I say “you from ho chi Minh?” She says “no smaller region”. We ended up chatting for like 5-10 minutes until the bus came, she is only 21 and arrived in the country a month ago bless her heart. The bus arrived and we parted ways.

I get to the city and as I walk to the tram stop I ping random hotties on my way “hey” or “excuse me” I say but none of them stop. A couple slow down and giggle at me as I talk to them but they keep walking so I move on.
I get on the tram that takes me to the venue and a hot Asian babe passes me I say “excuse me” to get her attention but she doesn’t notice me so I walk over to her and open her properly “hey are you from Philippines?” She says “no Vietnam” then I proceed to tell her where I’m going for the night and invite her to join she says maybe later which is a polite decline. Notably I didn’t draw any attention to myself when opening her on crowded public transport usually every one would turn their heads and it would make me panic causing me to eject but lately I’ve been much better at “stealth approaching”, everyone around just assumes we know each other. If I can continue to cultivate my stealth approach ability that will help a lot with AA.

I get off the tram and walk to the venue. It’s too early there’s no one there it’s only 930pm so I walk to the shop for some gum. I get to the shop and notice a hot young blonde browsing the isles. I circle around to intercept her and open her as she passes me “how long you in town for?” she stops slightly shocked “huh?” I repeat “how long you in town for?” She responds “1 week” then I respond “there’s an event tonight you should come check it out” then she says “what kind of event?”. Damn, I actually didn’t have a good answer so I confess it’s just a nightclub that goes off on Thursdays. She doesn’t seem keen then some elderly homeless man gatecrashes the set and she walks off. I follow her for a bit and tell her I’m not with that dude and she laughs and says it’s ok but she has to go find her friend so I say goodbye and leave.

Now it’s like 10pm at night and I’m walking to the venue. I stop at McDonald’s and get a green tea then continue on my way. I then stop at a bench to finish it (don’t wanna stand outside the club drinking it in front of security like a weirdo). I ping a woman as she passes but she ignores me. Now I need to pee so I start walking to a public toilet and on my way I pass a real hottie so I open with “can I give you some advice on the outfit…” this peaks her interest so she stops to listen and says “ok” so I just start making stuff up on the spot then I transition to asking her to join me at the nightclub but she says she’s too tired and talks about her current situation that she’s in town visiting family etc… she actually had this amazingly charming British accent as well it was making me crush hard I couldn’t think of anything to say so I start throwing Hail Marys suggesting random things for us to do tonight but she’s not interested in anything so we part ways and I decide to skip the club because it’s now like 1030 and my last bus home is 12am so go to the grocery store instead. I open a couple of other girls but they only stop very briefly to talk before rushing off.

on the bus home there’s a hot babe in my vicinity who keeps looking my general direction but I couldn’t muster the strength to ping her. I couldn’t be bothered trying to game her on a whisper quiet bus full of people listening that would require a ton of energy to maintain a calm demeanour and not embarrass myself.

so overall no luck but it was still a productive night. I should’ve tried to number close more but I guess I’m more focused on improving my focus and composure at the moment.

 

[average_daygamer]

Fair play doing solo night game! I do that too. It's bleak. I couldn't work out which country you are in, I thought the UK from the words you use but reading further on, it looks like maybe east Asia with a big expat community. If you were in London, I would offer to wing.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Fair play doing solo night game! I do that too. It's bleak. I couldn't work out which country you are in, I thought the UK from the words you use but reading further on, it looks like maybe east Asia with a big expat community. If you were in London, I would offer to wing.

Not quite London but yes one of the commonwealth nations. They all have a large Asian demographic now that’s why I open a lot of them.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Just dyed my hair to cover the greys. Been on keto a week. Probably need to upgrade my wardrobe now. Looksmaxxing is effective can't lie. It increases my fundamentals.

 

[average_daygamer]

Just dyed my hair to cover the greys. Been on keto a week. Probably need to upgrade my wardrobe now. Looksmaxxing is effective can't lie. It increases my fundamentals.

Embrace the grey! That's what I plan to do. Age gracefully! Apparently younger girls like men with grey hair as well.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I’ve noticed a lot of old even old and fat men with young fit girls tend be heavily involved in the kink community.

has anyone tried faking a kink fetish to get these young girls in the sack? Im not into kink stuff myself I find it cringe and weird but at the end of the day pua is just getting from point A to point B is that means pretending to be “dom daddy” to lure 19 year old babes into the sack so be it. Perhaps I should start by joining a kink dating app then take it from there.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Today (Wednesday) I left the house at 6pm to check out an open mic comedy room. I will get back into that soon as I love the buzz of it. I got to the venue 30min early so I opened a chick walking the street while I waited. I’m happy I opened her with personal questions but didn’t go far enough and show sexual intent. I asked her if she lives around here then suggested she’s heading to a sauna because she was in sweat pants and jumper. She was not, she was heading home. I invited her to the comedy gig but I did it in a way that came across as a promoter because I chickened out so nothing happened with her.

after the comedy event ended I went into the city. On the way I opened a hot babe as she passed I stopped and said “excuse me”. She looked at me half interested in engaging but she kept walking as we locked eyes and I couldn’t get my next line out so she continued on.

The next one was a woman on her phone this time I did it more dominantly I stopped as she passed and said “show me your hands!”. lol it didn’t work and she kept moving.

it’s like 930pm in a major city mind you so most women aren’t stopping for scruffy old strangers on the street. There’s homeless drug addicts everywhere here screaming and yelling at themselves putting everyone on guard.

next girl was a hot young blonde, this time I got in front of her and opened over my shoulder as we came to a stop sign. I told her to name 3 of her best books but the challenge is non of them can be pop up books”. She got to talking and I was bumbling my words trying to think of things to say until she said she has a boyfriend and walked off.

Next I opened a fit Asian chick in gym apparel at the supermarket and she engaged instantly. I was touching her a lot and spent the next 2hrs with her flirting, hugging, putting my hands all over body but she kept pushing me away and saying not yet, not yet until we are married. She mentioned some guy at the gym tonight told her she looks masculine (obvious neg) so I think she was desperate for validation. She told me she’s 21 but I think she was lying I think she was more like 31. Initially I believed it but when I was playing with her hands I noticed her skin was not tight like a 21 year old is more like a 30 year old.

I walked her home and continued trying to kiss her, we were getting close to kissing but then she would push me away and say too soon. She’s Japanese btw.

im think with that girl I was being too nice. I ran sexual talk with her I said something about when we have sex we will be able to communicate on another level that words can’t express and she agreed. But I never ran any disqualifiers or negs on her. She was so compliant I thought we were going to go back to my house that night so I didn’t want to blow out but it was mostly her stringing me along.

thinking about it I think I should’ve tried to move the Insta date straight back to my house instead of spending 2hrs public seating area trying to escalate. I made the same mistake with another 21 year old Japanese girl 2 weeks ago.

that will be something to keep in mind for next time.

 

[average_daygamer]

Interesting shit. I love these awkward details such as when you locked eyes with the chick after hitting her with the "excuse me" but she kept walking.

So relatable! If there is eye contact it sometimes puts he off too.

I had a similar approach this week where I tried an approach with a chick as I was walking towards her and said "excuse me" she looked at me disgusted as she and I nearly got caught up in a family group who was in the way.

Part of the game!

 

[KnownUniverse]

Thursday night: decided to hit up another open mic comedy venue tonight. On my way I passed through a major shopping centre to do some opens. I stopped a hot milf around my age and asked what she just bought. She starts rambling about a trip to Thailand she has booked and decided to treat herself with fancy luggage. I couldn’t think of a lot to say to keep her engaged so I let her go. I also failed to show intent by asking for her contact details but that’s ok. What matters is I was able to stop and chat to her in the middle of a major mall without panicking and drawing a lot of attention. It was smooth in that everyone assumed we knew each other.

didn’t do any other decent sets after that just a few pings here and there that didn’t hook. On the bus to the town centre I tried to open a young ginger babe sitting opposite me with a meek “excuse me” and eye contact to see if she’d engage but she ignored me so I left it.

i arrived at the town centre and begin walking to the pub hosting the comedy gig. A drunk couple stop me and the woman starts flirting with me hard. The dude she was with appeared to be friendzoned. She was hot for her age but being mid 40s I wasn’t going all out to seduce her so I invited them to the gig with me and they agreed but I barely tried to escalate with her even though she was constantly coming on to me.

we get to the pub and it’s dead. A hot chick and her trans friend walk in and I open them “you here for the comedy show?” the girl looks at me politely and nods but keeps walking to the bar. They have their bitch shields up.

next I walk into the smoking area and open a set of 2 girls 1 guy. They were half friendly half giving me an attitude. One of them was a hot Irish gurl. We spoke briefing but eventually they ignored me and talked among themselves so I left that area. Fuck em. Next time I’m gonna try being myself more instead of mr friendly social guy. Unfortunately it’s kinda hard to be the bad guy when I’m doing solo game I don’t have that confidence.

It’s been 40 mins and the comedy show hasn’t started yet. There’s a few people around but they are all in their own little cliques so I didn’t want sarge and blow out in a social circle type venue (I’m planing to try my own stand comedy routine there some day).

nothings happening so I go outside and wait on the footpath for a bit until a young babe approaches the door. I open her straight away and ask if she’s here for the event? She says yes she got invited by one of the performers so I offer to escort her inside and we walk to the bar together. She’s hot but not in the typical pretty girl sense but in the bad bitch sense. She has a lot of tattoos and glamour but not the trashy kind the expensive kind. The kind that hangs out at bohemian venues in wealthy hipster neighbourhoods and takes drugs at crazy rave parties. The kind of crowd I’ve never fit in with. I’m just a clean cut normie with a messed up childhood.

I deep dived her and did some brief touching then asked for her instagram before we were forced to sit down as the show began. For next 2 hours I didn’t do much else but watch the 8 comedy acts perform then I left. The tattoo chick followed me back on Insta so I sent her a dm a simple “hey”.

I get on the bus back home it’s 11pm now and it’s quite full. I take a seat near a not bad looking Latina. I stare at her for a bit then say “excuse me” and she looks up politely so I start telling her about some interesting people in the area before deep diving. Eventually she gets to her stop and leaves before I can ask for her contact details but I’m not bothered what mattered most is I was able to run game on a chick on crowded PT at 11pm at night.

Most of my lays over the last year (4) have come from nightclub game because I’ve been too scared and uncalibrated to game women properly during the day or outside socially acceptable environments. So I’m mainly focusing on developing my calibration skills and reducing AA rather than getting the odd lay by women who are looking for sex that night which is just stumbling across greens and matching their energy.

teach a man to fish…

 

[KnownUniverse]

damn, i hurt a lot of people tonight. I've got to figure out a way to control my emotions. I was pretty much a walking demon. I feel guilty and ashamed afterwards.

 

[KnownUniverse]

Went out tonight (Saturday). Hit the city streets hunting for babes. My first approach was a gurl standing at a McDonald’s kiosk machine. Young brunette in business attire. It’s about 9pm. I walked up to her like a nervous wreck and was able to ask what’s she’s ordering but then when I went to make personal statements or questions about her I couldn’t project the words it’s like my chest and stomach are tight with nervousness I could only mumble the words and she ignored me. I’m literally standing right next to her mumbling random shit hoping she engages me or i get a shot of confidence but nothing comes out. It felt like I was fighting in a dream! So yeah I think it weirded her out because she left before ordering. Perhaps for the best—saved her eating mcjunk food.

next I’m walking the street towards and I open a young Asian chick with blonde hair crossing paths. She stops and chats and I convince her to come bar hoping with me. She’s alone, bored and mid so a pretty easy pull.

I get her to a small bar and quickly abort I tell her we have to go somewhere else I saw an old acquaintance I’m trying to avoid. About 10 mins later she leaves. I’m thinking my erratic behaviour freaked her out. I wasn’t too disappointed she was not my type.

next I head to another bar and open a woman sitting herself just straight up “are you alone?”. She says no her husband is here so I keep walking. Deeper inside the venue I see another chick sitting alone a real hottie and I open her “are you by yourself?”. She says her friend is getting drinks so I walk off—I really can’t be bothered trying to game a couple, I just don’t have the energy. I feel like a tired old man tbh I burned out in my late 20s.

I keep walking and exit the venue via the rear and open a 3 set heading in but I target the hottest one in the group a fit blonde from Canada. I just start showering her with compliments and she’s loving it especially in front of her friends. We hold hands and stare into each others eyes while I future project our life together but her 2 friends literally watching me like I’m a circus act is making me tired because I wanna escalate and try make out but not in front of a captive audience, I’m very conservative these days I like to keep intimacy private. So I can’t be bothered dealing with 3 and I leave. If she was alone it would’ve been great but I just can’t be bothered juggling 3 women at once.

after that nothing eventful happened so I headed home before midnight.

 

[KnownUniverse]

For reference I’m not new to game. I was a party animal in my 20s but a shut in in my 30s until I finally forced myself out over the last couple of years committing to learning and practicing cold approach.

 

[average_daygamer]

Keep going, matey. I see you were a shut in in your 30s, well I was a shut in in my 20s.

It is salvageable but takes a lot of work like you are doing.

Cold approach is an extreme sport that you need the correct protective gear to practice safely.

Except in cold approach the protective gear you need is mental.

I really enjoy the bleak descriptions given in these reports, as they are very relatable.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I really enjoy the bleak descriptions given in these reports, as they are very relatable.

Yes, my outcomes are often very polarised. I envy all these people who can maintain a stable demeanour throughout an entire day of approaching. It also draws a lot of attention to me as I’m seen as a very eccentric person



I guess I really broke something in my mind during my wild 20s that is responsible for emotional regulation because I can’t seem to control my state at all or maintain normal conversations with women. My body just swings between moments of panic, doubt, adrenaline, arousal, mental block throughout a single interaction.

just gotta keep moving towards my end goal.

 

[KnownUniverse]

another issue I’ve noticed is I have this voice in my head trashing my confidence whenever I strike it lucky: If I’m at a bar and start making out with a girl the voice says “why is she kissing me? This makes no sense she could be with any normal guy here why is she choosing to hook up with the weird dude? She’s gonna regret this, it’s not right”.

im hoping to create enough positive references to resolve this negative commentary in my mind.

 

[average_daygamer]

another issue I’ve noticed is I have this voice in my head trashing my confidence whenever I strike it lucky: If I’m at a bar and start making out with a girl the voice says “why is she kissing me? This makes no sense she could be with any normal guy here why is she choosing to hook up with the weird dude? She’s gonna regret this, it’s not right”.

im hoping to create enough positive references to resolve this negative commentary in my mind.

I've had that same thing in an interaction in daygame. When the girl talks back in an interested manner.

It's such a rare occurrence that it feels like a trap.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I've been getting lots of contact details from girls during social circle events but I've found the hot ones say hello but then stop responding while the ones around my looksmatch respond for days and even come out on dates. A typical scenario would be:

Me: Hey
Her: hello!
Me: How did you enjoy the event last night?

no response.

That's how it usually is with a hot 25 year old. Mid girls are more talkative and even meet up for dates.

I'm thinking I need to be more direct when asking for her contact details. instead of just "lets stay in touch, what's your insta or whatsapp" I should say "would you be free to catch up for a drink some time just the two of us?". That will filter out all the reds. of course the risk is i get in trouble for sexually harassing women if someone takes offense to that kind of directness. Its not a problem on street approach but social circle is different you kind of have to maintain a certain etiquette.

 

[KnownUniverse]

went out friday night. Best interaction was with doing gutter game at about 11pm. this babe was leaving the venue and i pinged her. She stopped nearby but didnt look at me so i walked over to her and it turns out that's exactly what she wanted. So i complimented her and her friend told me to get her number so i did but then i asked her age and she said she's 30 which is nearly 10 years younger than me. I told her my age and blurted out that the power dynamic between us... and she responds "yeah..." (in a bad way) she thought i was disqualifying her but i was trying to run a dom daddy gambit because that's what don gately said he does but it didnt work. I was telling her how im much more powerful than her i would be her daddy but i dont think she was into it. I was weak with the number close too iwas nervous with it and asked if she has insta or whatsapp and she's like "why? just take me number. I dont know what that is" (local girl). Im too used closing on tourists that's my problem, most of them use an app.

She was mix blonde auburn hair or dirty blonde? not sure what you call it. fit, had a double nose ring, green eyes, overall a top tier babe by global standards. She dressed like a kindergarden teacher though.

A few notable interactions that led nowhere: at a bar--an unofficial college bar--i locked eyes with cute indian girl across the room and i waved her over to me (i was at the bar). She came over with her chubby friend arm in arm and i was kind of shocked that it worked so i lost my frame and jsut complimented her on her looks like a simp.

A tall blonde student: In the same venue. She approached the bar with her group. The group were a bunch of arrogant young white college girls as you can imagine. I pinged one and she ignored me then i opened the tall blonde with gunwitche's "look like' opener which got her attention. then i ran out of things to say so i just did cold reading and held her hand (told her its part of the process) but she left with her friend group soon after.

Going out wingless once again makes me nervous to run sets being alone i feel vulnerable but at the same time i'm less self-concious of getting rejected. Some of my provious wings were annoying, they criticize everything i do "dont do it liek that, you make them uncomfortable" "open with confidence" "dont make your intentions so obvious, try and vibe with them first and build rapport" etc... even though this dude himself was getting nowhere all night.