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Don Giovanni

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Met this girl on Friday night on friends birthday party. Kinda average/ cutesy face, good physique (was a ballerina, now a surfer and loves hiking) and I liked her free spirited personality. Anyway besides polite small talk nothing was going on between us at the party, but what I did do well, I social proofed myself with other girls. At the end she mentioned she's going hiking on this mountain on Saturday, I teased her I could get to the top faster then her, then we said we're gonna go together half joke. She left the party early and before she left she hugged me just a bit warmer then I would expect and that got me thinking.

Texting

Next morning I wake up and think about if I should ask any of the girls from that social circle out, then she comes to mind. I ask the birthday girl if she gives me her contact and then we start texting.

A very short version of it:

DG: hey whats up with the mountain trip
HB: im going tonight, you wanna join
DG: fuck it why not



''Date''

She comes and picks me up at 21pm. She has head flash lights and water, I was totally unprepared. She just wanted company, she said she was busy all day and it's good that someone else pushes her into doing the hike, supposedly she does this hike 5 times a week or something. We talk during the way, just friendly stuff. At the top I took my t shirt off because of the heat. I stirred the conversation into SOT, traveling, experiencing different people, having fun, living in the moment. My calibration was a bit off here, the transition to words like ''sex'' felt rough, but nothing to damageing, just a note to self. It was fine I got her talking/ seducing herself while she was talking about other lovers from her trips, not so much as people, but as experiences and feelings she had with them. There I started initiating touch. Just incidental, shoulder, her back and stuff, still social. I could've done that earlier, didn't feel like I have the chance walking up hill and driving.

Downhill the conversation stays at the same level more or less, I do some playful teasing and escalate touch like hugging her and lifting her. We talked, she liked to run on the flat parts of the trail, I didn't feel like it. At the bottom she teased me we could go up and down again, break the record, I said maybe next time. This was essential for the latter part. She drove me back home and I invited her to drink a tea with me.

Let the LMR start

Funny thing I didn't have any tea lol. I was just bullshiting, but I knew I had her attraction. Poured us glasses of water in the kitchen, put some music on then continued the talk. I escalated eye contact, she said ''what'' and I'm like ''nothing'' while smiling. I'm starting to feel the tension and play with it I like that. Then told her I want to show her my music and took her to my room. I only have one chair and I let her sit on it. She said we can both sit on it and I said nah, but you can sit in my lap. She did, here things started getting heavy.

Forgot to mention, she had herpes outbreak, that meant kissing was off. Actually wanted to bed a girl without kissing for a while now.

I lifted her and took her to my bed. Started playing seductively with my fingertips along her body while talking to her. Do some version of ''sex is unfair'' but unfortunately this wasn't enough, or was too late. The LMR was strong and kept going for 20min. I fractionated with pouring myself another glass of water, mixing physical and verbal game, leaving everything ambiguous and blaming it on her. I was teasing her with stuff like ''i don't know whats going on why are you doing this to me please don't just use me and break my heart you just want to have sex with me huh?'' which took away all those arguments from her. Everything playful, nothing serious. She wanted to reframe it as serious a couple of times ''no I can't because blah blah'' and I just pattern interrupted her with something else, because I didn't want her to rationalize anything out loud. High point here was I was breathing on her neck while sliding my index finger on the pants on top of her pussy. She was turned on, had closed eyes and shallow breathing.

Then after this not working for 20min I told us we should go back down to the living room with a pretense I'm going to behave now just to repeat the same thing on the couch. Fractionation, physical to verbal, got to touching and kissing her boobs, neck and ear now. She still has some bullshit excuses ''no I don't feel like it sorry, I don't wanna get attached, I get attached to quickly'' then says ''maybe if we go hiking again we could have sex on the top''.

What a weird demand!

LMR part 2

Of course she was joking but now she said it out loud she will maybe have sex with me. That's progress. After more getting her aroused, fractionation (note to self, read Aleks article to get more ideas and get more creative with it) but still hitting a wall although a bit less now, I suggest we go back hiking. It's such a stupid idea it's actually a good idea. She agrees.

We get back into the car, drive back to the mountain (it's just 15min away by car, the hike lasts 25min) then walk up. Some very light seductive touching in the car... I like to touch girls now like girls touch me, very light, tips of fingers, sliding on top of inner parts of elbow to palm... What's interesting, when I shut up and think about some random stuff, she started qualifying and seeking my attention. When we get there, some playful touch then hike. We don't talk that much this time, not because we don't want or have anything to talk about, but enjoying 1am forest silence and physical activity of walking.

When we get to the top I get my shirt off then get her shirt of then game over.

Aftermath - a potetnital fuckbuddy?

She completely changes after sex, tells me she came, thanks me I persisted and gives me compliments and sweet talks. I asked her what changed her mind. She said while she was walking she had time to think and realized that all the time she had her friends voice, who said to her ''I'm not like you, I don't sleep with every guy I meet'' in her head and that made her hesitate. Then when she thought about it decided it's bullshit (I did some we should live for ourselves not for opinions of others gambit before).

Then she drove me home, she wanted to sleep over, but I told her maybe some other time. She could be a good fuckbuddy and since she's not around a lot (she travels a lot) that's good for me, I'm not looking for anything serious or am I intending to stay in this country for long. Any advice on expectation setting early fuckbuddy relationships welcome.

Told her to text me when she gets home, she did. She texted me today about our next hiking trip and since the weather will be rain from Wednessday on we'll go hiking tomorrow evening. There was some referencing to the sex previous night and implication is we're going to do it again tomorrow on a different mountain lol.

Advice, comments welcome.
 

foggy

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Hey Don, congrats on the notch! I loved reading your report

Your girl sounds like she’s currently navigating a transition in her journey. She's inclined towards a more feminine, submissive, family-oriented role, but at the moment she's embracing a different lifestyle: one thats characterized by travel, sexual freedom & exploration ie sleeping with lots of guys, exploring unconventional sexual situations. This exploration however has had its downsides including developing strong feelings too quickly and feeling stigmatized by her friends.

Your 1st gen verbal approach to escalation at your place successfully amped up her arousal levels and teased out her ideal sexual encounter for you to lead towards [nature & mountain sex]. However, it hurt your seduction’s efficiency. Due to the aforementioned unsolved psychological blocks from her newish sexual lifestyle, a 2nd gen verbal approach would have been better suited to handle her resistance and bang her sooner.

For example, she mentioned she finds herself getting attached quickly. This is easily handled directly by acknowledging it, asking into it, and then showing how it won’t happen with you. One time a chick in similar sexual circumstances to yours I layed was worried about getting hurt with me. We set up some rules to prevent ourselves from getting too attached and I was in her pants shortly after.

These observations are made in the spirit of enhancing seduction efficiency since you did get the lay :) Your decision to leave your house to take her up the mountain was a good choice as it gave her space to think through her shit. Going backwards like that can come with a lot of unknowns, so good job for leading through that.
 

King

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Hey Don, congrats on the notch! I loved reading your report

Your girl sounds like she’s currently navigating a transition in her journey. She's inclined towards a more feminine, submissive, family-oriented role, but at the moment she's embracing a different lifestyle: one thats characterized by travel, sexual freedom & exploration ie sleeping with lots of guys, exploring unconventional sexual situations. This exploration however has had its downsides including developing strong feelings too quickly and feeling stigmatized by her friends.

Your 1st gen verbal approach to escalation at your place successfully amped up her arousal levels and teased out her ideal sexual encounter for you to lead towards [nature & mountain sex]. However, it hurt your seduction’s efficiency. Due to the aforementioned unsolved psychological blocks from her newish sexual lifestyle, a 2nd gen verbal approach would have been better suited to handle her resistance and bang her sooner.

For example, she mentioned she finds herself getting attached quickly. This is easily handled directly by acknowledging it, asking into it, and then showing how it won’t happen with you. One time a chick in similar sexual circumstances to yours I layed was worried about getting hurt with me. We set up some rules to prevent ourselves from getting too attached and I was in her pants shortly after.

These observations are made in the spirit of enhancing seduction efficiency since you did get the lay :) Your decision to leave your house to take her up the mountain was a good choice as it gave her space to think through her shit. Going backwards like that can come with a lot of unknowns, so good job for leading through that.
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Skills

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Meet

Met this girl on Friday night on friends birthday party. Kinda average/ cutesy face, good physique (was a ballerina, now a surfer and loves hiking) and I liked her free spirited personality. Anyway besides polite small talk nothing was going on between us at the party, but what I did do well, I social proofed myself with other girls. At the end she mentioned she's going hiking on this mountain on Saturday, I teased her I could get to the top faster then her, then we said we're gonna go together half joke. She left the party early and before she left she hugged me just a bit warmer then I would expect and that got me thinking.

Texting

Next morning I wake up and think about if I should ask any of the girls from that social circle out, then she comes to mind. I ask the birthday girl if she gives me her contact and then we start texting.

A very short version of it:

DG: hey whats up with the mountain trip
HB: im going tonight, you wanna join
DG: fuck it why not



''Date''

She comes and picks me up at 21pm. She has head flash lights and water, I was totally unprepared. She just wanted company, she said she was busy all day and it's good that someone else pushes her into doing the hike, supposedly she does this hike 5 times a week or something. We talk during the way, just friendly stuff. At the top I took my t shirt off because of the heat. I stirred the conversation into SOT, traveling, experiencing different people, having fun, living in the moment. My calibration was a bit off here, the transition to words like ''sex'' felt rough, but nothing to damageing, just a note to self. It was fine I got her talking/ seducing herself while she was talking about other lovers from her trips, not so much as people, but as experiences and feelings she had with them. There I started initiating touch. Just incidental, shoulder, her back and stuff, still social. I could've done that earlier, didn't feel like I have the chance walking up hill and driving.

Downhill the conversation stays at the same level more or less, I do some playful teasing and escalate touch like hugging her and lifting her. We talked, she liked to run on the flat parts of the trail, I didn't feel like it. At the bottom she teased me we could go up and down again, break the record, I said maybe next time. This was essential for the latter part. She drove me back home and I invited her to drink a tea with me.

Let the LMR start

Funny thing I didn't have any tea lol. I was just bullshiting, but I knew I had her attraction. Poured us glasses of water in the kitchen, put some music on then continued the talk. I escalated eye contact, she said ''what'' and I'm like ''nothing'' while smiling. I'm starting to feel the tension and play with it I like that. Then told her I want to show her my music and took her to my room. I only have one chair and I let her sit on it. She said we can both sit on it and I said nah, but you can sit in my lap. She did, here things started getting heavy.

Forgot to mention, she had herpes outbreak, that meant kissing was off. Actually wanted to bed a girl without kissing for a while now.

I lifted her and took her to my bed. Started playing seductively with my fingertips along her body while talking to her. Do some version of ''sex is unfair'' but unfortunately this wasn't enough, or was too late. The LMR was strong and kept going for 20min. I fractionated with pouring myself another glass of water, mixing physical and verbal game, leaving everything ambiguous and blaming it on her. I was teasing her with stuff like ''i don't know whats going on why are you doing this to me please don't just use me and break my heart you just want to have sex with me huh?'' which took away all those arguments from her. Everything playful, nothing serious. She wanted to reframe it as serious a couple of times ''no I can't because blah blah'' and I just pattern interrupted her with something else, because I didn't want her to rationalize anything out loud. High point here was I was breathing on her neck while sliding my index finger on the pants on top of her pussy. She was turned on, had closed eyes and shallow breathing.

Then after this not working for 20min I told us we should go back down to the living room with a pretense I'm going to behave now just to repeat the same thing on the couch. Fractionation, physical to verbal, got to touching and kissing her boobs, neck and ear now. She still has some bullshit excuses ''no I don't feel like it sorry, I don't wanna get attached, I get attached to quickly'' then says ''maybe if we go hiking again we could have sex on the top''.

What a weird demand!

LMR part 2

Of course she was joking but now she said it out loud she will maybe have sex with me. That's progress. After more getting her aroused, fractionation (note to self, read Aleks article to get more ideas and get more creative with it) but still hitting a wall although a bit less now, I suggest we go back hiking. It's such a stupid idea it's actually a good idea. She agrees.

We get back into the car, drive back to the mountain (it's just 15min away by car, the hike lasts 25min) then walk up. Some very light seductive touching in the car... I like to touch girls now like girls touch me, very light, tips of fingers, sliding on top of inner parts of elbow to palm... What's interesting, when I shut up and think about some random stuff, she started qualifying and seeking my attention. When we get there, some playful touch then hike. We don't talk that much this time, not because we don't want or have anything to talk about, but enjoying 1am forest silence and physical activity of walking.

When we get to the top I get my shirt off then get her shirt of then game over.

Aftermath - a potetnital fuckbuddy?

She completely changes after sex, tells me she came, thanks me I persisted and gives me compliments and sweet talks. I asked her what changed her mind. She said while she was walking she had time to think and realized that all the time she had her friends voice, who said to her ''I'm not like you, I don't sleep with every guy I meet'' in her head and that made her hesitate. Then when she thought about it decided it's bullshit (I did some we should live for ourselves not for opinions of others gambit before).

Then she drove me home, she wanted to sleep over, but I told her maybe some other time. She could be a good fuckbuddy and since she's not around a lot (she travels a lot) that's good for me, I'm not looking for anything serious or am I intending to stay in this country for long. Any advice on expectation setting early fuckbuddy relationships welcome.

Told her to text me when she gets home, she did. She texted me today about our next hiking trip and since the weather will be rain from Wednessday on we'll go hiking tomorrow evening. There was some referencing to the sex previous night and implication is we're going to do it again tomorrow on a different mountain lol.

Advice, comments welcome.
This report weird cause you bounce her from a closing location to a none closing location, but the bounce did the trick aka help you lay her....
 

Don Giovanni

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Hey Don, congrats on the notch! I loved reading your report
Hey fog!
Your girl sounds like she’s currently navigating a transition in her journey. She's inclined towards a more feminine, submissive, family-oriented role, but at the moment she's embracing a different lifestyle: one thats characterized by travel, sexual freedom & exploration ie sleeping with lots of guys, exploring unconventional sexual situations. This exploration however has had its downsides including developing strong feelings too quickly and feeling stigmatized by her friends.
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Your 1st gen verbal approach to escalation at your place successfully amped up her arousal levels and teased out her ideal sexual encounter for you to lead towards [nature & mountain sex]. However, it hurt your seduction’s efficiency. Due to the aforementioned unsolved psychological blocks from her newish sexual lifestyle, a 2nd gen verbal approach would have been better suited to handle her resistance and bang her sooner.
Probably you were right. I did short sex is unfair gambit, actively asked if there's a potential being a slut problem but she declined and turned it around that ''something in herself is telling her to not do it'' and as we were talking how ''you should listen to your inner voice'' before that ''she is listening to that voice now''. So the ''you should listen to your desires and act on them not care about other peoples opinion'' I did before backfired in a way. I then decided to change strategies, go more physical, change locations frequently (living room, bedroom, mountain), cut it shorter.

It didn't occur to me I could go about it from a different angle, thanks for that!

As it goes for attaching soon it was more then just objection. She is definitely getting attached quickly (or has a VERY convincing girl game). She initiated 4 meets since then. I'm getting oneitis too... Not sure what I want this to be honestly but helps reading this report and putting things into perspective that I did want it just as a notch at first.
These observations are made in the spirit of enhancing seduction efficiency since you did get the lay :) Your decision to leave your house to take her up the mountain was a good choice as it gave her space to think through her shit. Going backwards like that can come with a lot of unknowns, so good job for leading through that.
Solid observations as always fog, thanks for taking the time!
 

Don Giovanni

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This report weird cause you bounce her from a closing location to a none closing location, but the bounce did the trick aka help you lay her....
At first there were still people on the mountain (closing location), but when we went there second time it was very late and I knew no one will be around. I think time distortion was a factor here, going up and down a hill, going to my place then going up a hill again feels like 3 separate meets. I thought of your 3 bounce method actually when doing it.
 

Skills

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At first there were still people on the mountain (closing location), but when we went there second time it was very late and I knew no one will be around. I think time distortion was a factor here, going up and down a hill, going to my place then going up a hill again feels like 3 separate meets. I thought of your 3 bounce method actually when doing it.
Well also you were in the no no no loop trigger, moving her took her out of that, you pull back she relaxed/no that have to happen tension.. you tried again and boom she was way more comfortable and relaxed and your pulling back, show you are calibrated get hints...
 
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