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How are guys in their 30s here in the USA even meeting women?

Indian Race Troll (IRT)

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No more college around, so many women near your age are already locked down, all the good ones for the most part taken, and you're at an age where people will consider you to be older.

How do guys in their 30s even play the game?
 

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How do guys in their 30s even play the game?

Simple answer: date younger women.

The prime age for attractiveness in men is about late 20's/early 30's to roughly mid-to-late 40s.

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I meet younger women literally everywhere, but the absolute best way to meet them is cold approach. Then there are no social barriers for her to overcome, like friends or parents telling her that you're too "old" for her.

I meet shit tons of women out at bars, many of them barely legal age to drink, and they get super fucking turned on when they find out I'm 35. I swear it's like an instant attraction booster.


This concern:

and you're at an age where people will consider you to be older

What you're talking about is being "othered", and age doesn't have anything to do with it unless you think it does. When you consider yourself to be part of an outgroup instead of part of the ingroup, then you'll be treated as such.

Don't let other people cast you out or shame you because you're a little bit older than they are. The Benjamin Franklin effect shows that we have a startling tendency to come to hate people who we treat badly. If we’re experiencing guilt about our treatment of some person, or group, or class, and having trouble reconciling that guilt with our notion of ourselves as good people, our brains are extremely adept at resolving the situation by othering the people we feel that we’ve wronged. If we dehumanize someone, and distance our empathy with them, then we won’t have to feel bad about the shabby way we’ve treated them.

This is why it's so important from a social standpoint to cast people out who don't treat you properly.

I'm getting a bit off track, but wanted to explain why you feel the way you do (and why you shouldn't feel that way, since it's a pretty damaging cycle to find yourself in). I quite literally have friends of all ages, and this is possible for anyone to accomplish.

So yeah, as far as younger women go:

  • Women mature faster than men, and older women aren't usually as fun anyway. I have a way better time with women who are around 10 years (or more) younger than I am than I actually do being around women my own age.
  • I think on average women are like 4-5 years (don't recall the number exactly) younger than their spouse, and I find an age difference of even 15-20 years to be quite meaningless, in my own experience.
  • Be your own man, a lone wolf if you will. Like James Bond. I've found that women think it's pretty sexy that I just show up by myself and by the end of the night I'm friends with everyone.
  • An extreme age difference really turns young women on. It's like a taboo, possibly. Some of the 18, 19 year olds I've had just could not wait to fuck me once they found out how old I was.
  • Utilize cold approach to meet the bulk of them, but bars/clubs are also chock full of younger chicks who are DTF


Here's a couple articles that should help, too:


I'd guess about 80% of the women I sleep with are under 24 or so. The other 20%, they don't get much older, maybe late-20's. An occasional sexy MILF for good measure, but you'll have that. ;)


Cheers,

J.J.
 

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Is there really any alternative to the cold approach though?

TBH, it is just so not me, I have always been a social circle guy.
 

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People make too big a thing of cold approach. It's really just being social. I just had a bit of an off day, kids were frustrating me a lot, was tired and preoccupied, eye contact discipline wasn't good, and I pussied out on several approaches I should have done, but still approached 3 attractive women situationally (questions/comments about stuff they were carrying/what they were doing etc) which led to brief but enjoyable conversations, it didn't feel weird, in fact the times I didn't approach felt weird. Once you commit to doing and saying whatever is in your head and being true to yourself, approaching is really just a natural consequence.
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Mr.Rob

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TBH, it is just so not me, I have always been a social circle guy.
Yeah so has everyone else and there sex lives suck.

I don't think any of us were thinking that it was congruent to our personalities to tell a random stranger how sexy their legs are.

But we did it anyway because we knew if we became that type of guy we could have the sex lives of a rock star.

If you want a change in your circumstances then do it.

If you are happy where you are currently at then be happy with your little social circle game and that's fine.

Main thing is to choose one avenue and then shut up and do the damn thing.

Good luck my friend.
 

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Proactivity-

Problem with wanting to rely on social circle as you get older is your circles will tend to shrink smaller and smaller as more and more people marry off or get into other forms of long-term commitment.

That said, I've seen a fair amount of older guys get laid at decent volumes without cold approach by doing things like tennis lessons, salsa lessons, working in nightclubs or modeling agencies, getting good at online dating (awesome pictures mandatory), surrounding themselves with a few extraverted buddies who do the opening for them while they provide some other value (they're great storytellers or have fantastic senses of humor, they always bring the energy, etc.), and the like.

Meetup.com seems to be especially geared at helping 30- and 40-somethings hook up with one another; when I spent a little while trawling the Meetup scene in 2008 there'd be loads of people spanning 21 to 50 or so. The key to getting laid off of Meetup when I did it was finding the group that threw big parties in the area, and going to those (make sure to make friends with the head guy, and be discreet - I saw some of the more obvious / low game players or PUAs get shown the door from some of these parties and politely told never to return after they went around and creeped out all the women and ignored all the men... just be cool and normal and you'll leave with phone numbers, or sometimes sneak out with a girl).

Speed dating's popular with the 30-something crowd in most big cities too. Haven't tried it myself, but my buddies with good game have gone and basically had their pick of the litter. If your game/fundamentals are tight, I expect this'll be fish in barrels for you.

Also, on the subject of cold approach, a lot of non-pickup guys still meet women doing cold approach organically... e.g., guy's checking out a head of lettuce in the produce aisle and notices a cute girl glancing his way, so he goes over and cracks a joke about something and by the time you're talking to them at a business convention they're husband and wife. Guy's done maybe 5 cold approaches in his entire life, but one of them happens to be the one that leads him to his future spouse... funny how that works.

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