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Hi @Will_V I'm curious how you understand the real beauty. Would you mind to elabarate a bit more about this?
How do you get the absolute stunners?
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Well, it's pretty clear that beauty is not entirely a universal standard.
The only real universal standards of physical beauty I know of (if we are being completely logical and objective) are:
- Youthfulness/health (big eyes, hair with a lustre, clear skin, somewhat of a baby face)
- Waist to hip ratio
- Facial symmetry
But that really leaves a lot of room for different kinds of women, doesn't it? Women that I might find attractive and you don't, or vice versa. There is only a millimetre or two of difference - and plenty of places where those millimetres could exist - between one man's ideal and another man's ordinary. And with makeup, a good proportion of fairly healthy and normal weight women could technically fit the bill for your or my physical ideal, yet we may not feel attracted to them.
I think there are aspects of female beauty that can be called 'real beauty' in the sense of being somewhat objective. Part of that is made up of the universal standards I mentioned above. Part of it, I believe, is a function of a man's innate ability to perceive beauty - some men possess sensibilities (artistic sensibilities if you like) to perceive feminine beauty, that other men do not, and these other men can no more perceive it than a color-blind man can perceive color. Why is something beautiful? It's not something that can be explained easily.
Real beauty also, in my opinion, includes a woman's spirit. On a scale of 0 to 10 on the 'mesmerizing beauty' meter, a woman's physical appearance only makes up about the first seven of that for me. The rest is made up of her energy - her innocence, her openness and curiosity, a certain kind of courage and braveness and willfulness, her femininity, the grace and litheness of the way she moves and interacts with the world - perhaps one might call these things the 'feminine youthfulness of her character'. Without these things, a girl might be aesthetically pleasing, but pretty forgettable, and certainly not anywhere near as much fun in bed.
When I say 'real beauty' I am likely being fairly subjective. And there's no way to escape that. But I will still call it 'real beauty' because it is as real to me as my own existence.
@Chase While I get the part about taste... here's the thing...
- Yes, my 9 might not be John's 9, and vice versa, I get that
- However, there are all types of looks in (non-sexual) modelling
When some dude shows his "9", and people say "that girl could never make a living off of her looks, so she's not a 9", the common excuse is "but not every guy is into fashion model look". That's a red herring. There's lingerie modelling, there's swimsuit modelling, there's fitness modelling, there's e-commerce clothes modelling, etc. And then there's also hostess gigs, bottle service girl (and like a 1000 other things where you get paid based on your looks, without having to get sexual).
While there are different types of nines... all of them can make a ton of easy money off of their looks. If a girl has never modelled or made a lot of money being invited to appear in adverts, commercials, just be a door girl at an event (etc), she's not really a 9+ (of any type). If she's not getting invited to yachts and private parties with rich and or famous guys, she's not a 9 (of any type), because obviously rich/famous guys have different tastes too, so do club promoters and DJs. If she's not getting invited backstage by anyone, or asked to sit at the celebrity/millionaires table in the clubs, she's not 9+ (of anyone's type of 9)
- Yes, my 9 might not be John's 9, and vice versa, I get that
- However, there are all types of looks in (non-sexual) modelling
When some dude shows his "9", and people say "that girl could never make a living off of her looks, so she's not a 9", the common excuse is "but not every guy is into fashion model look". That's a red herring. There's lingerie modelling, there's swimsuit modelling, there's fitness modelling, there's e-commerce clothes modelling, etc. And then there's also hostess gigs, bottle service girl (and like a 1000 other things where you get paid based on your looks, without having to get sexual).
While there are different types of nines... all of them can make a ton of easy money off of their looks. If a girl has never modelled or made a lot of money being invited to appear in adverts, commercials, just be a door girl at an event (etc), she's not really a 9+ (of any type). If she's not getting invited to yachts and private parties with rich and or famous guys, she's not a 9 (of any type), because obviously rich/famous guys have different tastes too, so do club promoters and DJs. If she's not getting invited backstage by anyone, or asked to sit at the celebrity/millionaires table in the clubs, she's not 9+ (of anyone's type of 9)
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Okay, so your tastes are determined by those of men you perceive as “high status”.
“These women get picked by high status men, therefore they are stunners”..
Rich man’s stamp of approval - she’s a ten. My eyes be damned.
Interesting.
Do you actually know what you like? Or do you simply strive to ape the rich and famous?
That's not what I said, you're twisting this so hard, you've gone into a pretzel. Let's get into the facts:
-> I gave tons of example where girls get invited to/offered stuff based on their looks, yet you latched onto 1, kinda weird
-> These are all situations where the person gets to choose and only invite the girls he sees as 9+ (whatever he defines as a 9+)
If you claim you're banging a 9, but she doesn't get invited to do stuff based on her looks, it means that she's nobody's 9. If you're the only person on the planet who thinks she is a 9, and nobody else, then she's really not a 9.
You can't claim that no high-status guys, no DJs, no promoters, not a single modelling agency, not a single event organizer has your taste and it's so super specific and unique, that she's really a 9, but nobody else on the planet thinks so... I mean what's more likely?
Again, we can accept that tastes vary and my 9 is someone else's 7. We can't however claim that my taste is so specific that no a single celeb, promoter, dj, or agency has thought of her as a 9. Nobody's taste is that specific.
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Fair enough.
What then of the girls that aren’t within eyeshot of a promoter, dj, modelling agency or p diddy?
7 until observed by such?
Is objective beauty the primary factor that leads to a woman being picked by the above mentioned or are there other (perhaps greater) factors that contribute?
You see a woman out in the wild. Say a mall.
How do you determine the status of the men and agencies she’s been picked by, to satisfy your definition of a “stunner” and therefore motivate your approach?
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I can agree with the premise that a girl who is truly a stunner to any given man, even if she's not everybody's ideal, is going to be a girl who could make plenty of money from her looks if she wanted to. I mean, unless he's got really weird tastes.
But I don't see why it's necessary for her to be getting invitations all the time (let alone accepting any) to qualify for that. A lot of girls, very beautiful ones, simply don't live in that world, have other dreams and priorities, or object to it for all kinds of personal reasons.
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@bgwh topcat is correct about this "Okay, so your tastes are determined by those of men you perceive as “high status”.
You claim that a girl can be labelled only as a 9 or 10 ONLY if this rating gets approved by professional bodies, like modelling agencies, beauty contents.
The obvious problem with this is that the beauty professionals change their preferences over time.
There was times not so long ago that the hottest girls in modelling were almost anorectic. But there was time in history (Baroque), when painters (who were beauty professionals of the time) preffered fatties. Nowadays, beauty contents promote transgender women and girls who look like boys, teenagers.
You can see the obvious problem with that.
Taking into account the approval of other people doesn't make any sense. If she is a 10 for you, she is a 10.
You claim that a girl can be labelled only as a 9 or 10 ONLY if this rating gets approved by professional bodies, like modelling agencies, beauty contents.
The obvious problem with this is that the beauty professionals change their preferences over time.
There was times not so long ago that the hottest girls in modelling were almost anorectic. But there was time in history (Baroque), when painters (who were beauty professionals of the time) preffered fatties. Nowadays, beauty contents promote transgender women and girls who look like boys, teenagers.
You can see the obvious problem with that.
Taking into account the approval of other people doesn't make any sense. If she is a 10 for you, she is a 10.
Nobody turns down free money and status. Though there are people who say "they're not that kind of person" because it's never offered to them.
- She might object to private parties with high-status, famous, attractive people (nice story bro, but fine)
- She might go clubbing, but for some weird reason say no when the promoter says the DJ invited you to behind-booth DJ area (you want me to believe that? fine)
- She has people asking her to earn a ton of money in an afternoon to be an extra in a commercial, but she's like "No I don't want a month's salary to just stand around socialize, i have other dreams, sorry"
- People offer her to make 2 weeks of salary to just stand at a door and greet people at an event, but she's like (naaaaah, I have higher ambitions in life, not that kind a girl, I don't like easy money, I like to struggle).
Listen guys, you can find excuses for 1,2,3 of these things. But I never said she has to say yes to ALL of these or get all of these. But if she's not getting ANY of these, it's a hard sell, i'm sorry, not buying it.
And again, I'm talking out of experience, not imagining thing as I've been involved in these kinds of things. Never ever seen a girl turn down easy money. Their eyes light up when you tell them they've been invited to a casting call for extras for a commercial or to be the hostess at an event, a full 100% of the time. Less confident girls might say no to something like modelling, or being the star in a commercial, because they feel uncomfortable with public attention (all eyes on me). Other than that, 100% are happy and flattered with anything other than that. Refuse to be one of the 20 girls invited to the dj booth cause she has "other ambitions in life"? Comeeeee on.... That's hamster wheel level of rationalizations.
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You’re obviously biased by the sorts of women that were drawn to those events…
Your blind spot is that you forget to see that such events filtered a certain type of woman, and that you saw these women as something to be had.
There is an entire swathe of women who wouldn’t be found at those events nor have any attraction to them, irrespective of their looks.
It’s fascinating to me that you don’t see this.
But LMS gunna LMS..
I was just about to compare you to woke feminists, and then you lifted a page straight out of feminist rhetoric lol.
I already tackled this excuse (it's common). You do realize that the fashion industry is like 0.1% of all looks-based activities right? I already covered this, pay attention.
There is NO "agreed upon look" amongst ALL men who have choice in women. That's feminist-level conspiracy theory crap.
I'm sure that Justin Bieber has a different taste than a famous DJ who has a different taste than a rich guy, who has a completely different taste than another rich guy, who has a completely different taste than a male model, who has a completely different taste than a famous athlete.
They didn't all sit down in a secret patriarchy meeting and decide on "what look is in this year". They all invite a different kind of 9 to their stuff (very different).
Cut it out with the excuses, it's getting weird at this point.
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You’re still missing it. But it is what it is.
Again, more excuses. My experience isn't from "witnessing things at a certain type of event". I've spent 20 years testing and experimenting with all niches. This goes all the way from yoga, to fitness, to nerdy programming bootcamps, to university classes.
I was personally in charge of inviting girls to be extras for ads. In some ads we were tasked with finding girls of all types (not say a hot girl hoe-dressing stereotype, in before the next excuse), so it might be the cute nerd etc, not a single girl (or person) ever said "oooooooooh sorry no I don't want easy money for an afternoon of standing around cool people with a famoun producer shooting us"
This was nerdy girls, girls in yoga class, girls in programming classes, girls from university classes. Again, you're just going in circles making excuses. Though I've personally witnessed it from unattractive and unpopular girls.
Because they know they're not hot enough to be offered stuff they often go into these elaborate stories about how they're "not that kind of girl" and just love to hang out with the unpopular crowd because they're genuine, and they're not fond of the douchey culture. The moment they get invited by those same "douche crowd" to a "douchey event", they jump right up.
That's how I figured out it was just sour grapes. Oooooh it's not that I'm not part of the cool popular kids, it's that I don't want to be... yeah right.
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Do you think girls are so dumb that they don't know that offers of money from strange men come with strings attached?
It's pretty clear that your reference points come from girls who have self selected into those environments to begin with, and you believe it is a universal part of girls nature to leverage their looks for personal gain at every opportunity.
There are all kinds of reasons why women never go anywhere near that stuff:
- She grew up in a close-knit family/community where that stuff was frowned upon
- Her wealthy family takes care of all her needs, and she doesn't need to do anything she doesn't want to do for money
- She idealizes the idea of a woman who succeeds in life and changes the world not because of how she looks but who she is
- She's introverted, nerdy, or otherwise immersed in something intellectually or emotionally stimulating that has nothing to do with her looks
- She's had bad experiences with guys trying to take advantage of her, and doesn't go to places where that might happen again
- etc
I'll wager I could find a dozen beauties at your local university campus who'd never done modelling in their lives. But then again I wonder if they would be the sort of women you have in mind.
Do you have reading issues? Why did I even bother elaborating if you guys type essays without writing what I said.
- I never said strange men offering to random girls
- I WENT OUT OF MY WAY TO INFORM YOU that I did this in EVERY environment (not self-selected environments). Did you NOT read that part and write an essay without seeing what you're replying to?
I SPECIFICALLY said there are a TON of looks-based opportunities, not just the comical "hey girl, you wanna pose half-naked on my yacht". You're caricaturing so you can keep rationalizing.
EVERY SINGLE intellectual shy and nerdy girl in EVERY environment said yes to being an extra in an adverts where she doesn't have to talk. They ONLY have an issue if they have to talk in the ad, or be center-stage... however, as a cute extra? NEVER. Same with just standing at the door of an event and being cute.
But that's not even the point
They at least get found and offered. It's not even about whether they've said no to everything. THEY at least get offered. If you're dating a "nine" who's not getting offers on the regular, even if she's walking around in sweatpants walking towards the university library, you're not dating a nine.
I don't care if she's "low exposure" and "doesn't even have social media". Actual promoters and talent scouts will approach her through friends of friends or even in the local deli. Nines are such rare diamonds that there are people paid to find them. You keep making absurd excuses on every level.
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These are the some things that have landed me my hottest girls.
- Belief in self
- manning up and approaching, asking out, making the move, escalating (in other words, not pussing out, and not second guessing self).
- being properly engaged with life (doing something cool, having direction, etc).
- having some sort of status can help (but not necessary!)
-genuine desire for her, both physically and wanting to connect with her emotionally
-leading, dominance
-meditation (yes really lol)
-no putting her on a pedestal.
I’m in the camp of natural beauty > Instagram hotties.
The girls I have experience with often didn’t even have social media, one married early to a boring seeming, very average (but solidly family oriented) guy.
Some girls liked me only because I was in a band. These were actually less hot than the ones who were slightly intrigued by my band, yet that is not what won them over, I think it’s the fact that I had something interesting going on with my life.
Some liked me because I had cool sexy friends, so I was seen as cool and sexy too.
Others, had no idea about my band, and just good ol’ cold approach and game did it. These are my favorite because there are genuine beauties out there who don’t really care about status, social media, or partying. These are the waifus some guys say don’t exist lol. I say try more bookstores, social circle game and gorcery stores! And stop pussing out.
I’m average looks, average height, and have no money, by the way. Always have been ambitious and dream big though. Whatever you’re packing, you need to bring that BDE (big dick energy)
Maybe some of these girls are not 10/10 for everyone, but I certainly thought they were gorgeous.
And I should add, I picked up a Russian pornstar in EE, and although she was cute, she was not as beautiful as the girls I’m talking about, just to address the “she’s gotta be able to make money from her looks” idea. And this pornstar is popular enough YOU might have even jerked off to her haha.
The thing that I feel has fucked me up most would be when I feel trigger shy, and fuck up by not escalating. Lots of hot girls have banged sketchy, not so attractive dudes, just because he was calm, collected, and committed to fuck. And you’re better than that if you follow GC fundamentals and game advice. This is why I put belief in self first on my list. You could be a loser on paper, but if in your own head you’re a hero, she’s going to respond to that energy. I’m talking from experience here. Action is what matters, and belief can be what stops you. most guys second guess themselves and let that cutie go. Honestly I think I need to take my own advice, I’ve been slacking lately!!
I’ll add a controversial one, do NoFap and semen retention for even better results.
- Belief in self
- manning up and approaching, asking out, making the move, escalating (in other words, not pussing out, and not second guessing self).
- being properly engaged with life (doing something cool, having direction, etc).
- having some sort of status can help (but not necessary!)
-genuine desire for her, both physically and wanting to connect with her emotionally
-leading, dominance
-meditation (yes really lol)
-no putting her on a pedestal.
I’m in the camp of natural beauty > Instagram hotties.
The girls I have experience with often didn’t even have social media, one married early to a boring seeming, very average (but solidly family oriented) guy.
Some girls liked me only because I was in a band. These were actually less hot than the ones who were slightly intrigued by my band, yet that is not what won them over, I think it’s the fact that I had something interesting going on with my life.
Some liked me because I had cool sexy friends, so I was seen as cool and sexy too.
Others, had no idea about my band, and just good ol’ cold approach and game did it. These are my favorite because there are genuine beauties out there who don’t really care about status, social media, or partying. These are the waifus some guys say don’t exist lol. I say try more bookstores, social circle game and gorcery stores! And stop pussing out.
I’m average looks, average height, and have no money, by the way. Always have been ambitious and dream big though. Whatever you’re packing, you need to bring that BDE (big dick energy)
Maybe some of these girls are not 10/10 for everyone, but I certainly thought they were gorgeous.
And I should add, I picked up a Russian pornstar in EE, and although she was cute, she was not as beautiful as the girls I’m talking about, just to address the “she’s gotta be able to make money from her looks” idea. And this pornstar is popular enough YOU might have even jerked off to her haha.
The thing that I feel has fucked me up most would be when I feel trigger shy, and fuck up by not escalating. Lots of hot girls have banged sketchy, not so attractive dudes, just because he was calm, collected, and committed to fuck. And you’re better than that if you follow GC fundamentals and game advice. This is why I put belief in self first on my list. You could be a loser on paper, but if in your own head you’re a hero, she’s going to respond to that energy. I’m talking from experience here. Action is what matters, and belief can be what stops you. most guys second guess themselves and let that cutie go. Honestly I think I need to take my own advice, I’ve been slacking lately!!
I’ll add a controversial one, do NoFap and semen retention for even better results.
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I’m a business consultant. I have had clients invite me on their yachts, to their mansions, private parties, VIP sections of clubs…
If you think ONLY “absolute stunners” are hanging in these places you have been fooled what you see on Instagram.
I have seen some very plain women on yachts, hanging pool side at mansions, getting free bottles at VIP parties, etc.
Yes some absolute stunners too but becoming super wealthy and successful doesn’t always change what you are attracted to. Some guys like what many men would consider “cute but kinda plain” girls and these rich dudes find them “10s”
Go after the women that makes YOUR duck hard. How do you get them? Good fundamentals, good game, and not putting them on a pedistol and treating them different because they are a bit hotter than most other women. You also have to know your value and what you bring to the table. If that’s nothing then you have some legit work to do.
You can fool some women into thinking you are confident and feel “worthy” but once you do the work and have legit success and truly know that YOU are the catch, women will sense that and they will be curious about you. Once you can look at them in all of their beauty and genuinely think “ok but what else makes you special?” You won’t have to ask how to get them anymore.
If you think ONLY “absolute stunners” are hanging in these places you have been fooled what you see on Instagram.
I have seen some very plain women on yachts, hanging pool side at mansions, getting free bottles at VIP parties, etc.
Yes some absolute stunners too but becoming super wealthy and successful doesn’t always change what you are attracted to. Some guys like what many men would consider “cute but kinda plain” girls and these rich dudes find them “10s”
Go after the women that makes YOUR duck hard. How do you get them? Good fundamentals, good game, and not putting them on a pedistol and treating them different because they are a bit hotter than most other women. You also have to know your value and what you bring to the table. If that’s nothing then you have some legit work to do.
You can fool some women into thinking you are confident and feel “worthy” but once you do the work and have legit success and truly know that YOU are the catch, women will sense that and they will be curious about you. Once you can look at them in all of their beauty and genuinely think “ok but what else makes you special?” You won’t have to ask how to get them anymore.
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