How do you strike the balance between making someone earn the value you have to offer versus giving value? (Socially, romantically, professionally)

[DaVinciMatrixStyle]

I think this can apply to seduction even though it's about business. I recently started a consulting business and as a way to get a word out, I started giving advice to people for free. I had a few clients that were enjoying the process and my clientele grew a few.

After giving enough free advice, I started to charge for advice. I noticed that all my 'clienteles' disappeared and tried to get free advice without paying even though I provided value for months.

This could be translated to other people socially as well. I provide some value to other friends. This might be socially or even sometimes little things like paying for their food here and there. I noticed some people will try to take advantage of this like a leech.

So there's this concept of give value in order to receive value and there's also this other concept of make other people earn your value and attention because they don't respect what's given so freely.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to handle this in a business or a social/romantic situation?

 

[D. Gately]

If you want to pickup a hot girl, you have to give a little value to get things rolling. Especially if it's like a first meetup and she's spent hours on her hair, nails, clothing etc. Maybe some guys are Game enough to just show up not offer anything except DTF and score, but I'm not at that level. That's unrealistic for most guys. I'm totally willing to buy them 1-2 drinks and an app and over 30-60 mins convo they'll recognize how high value I am, then we take it from there. Do they just want to bang? FWB? A relationship? Nothing sexual but I can exploit her to get her hot friends? Etc.

Workwise, if you're not charging $ people will never recognize the value. 'Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.'

 

[ulrich]

In business, and especially in anything startup related, there are tons and tons of people who are already so used to get things for free that they ignore everything with a cost, good or bad, big or small.
This the reason why you get smashed in social networks if you start a coaching or consulting business. “Who are you to sell the information I can get for free in YouTube?”.

The problem is not you, rather the people you are attracting.
If your first offer is something free, you will always have freeloaders. Your mission then is to filter them and expend the least possible amount of time with the bad leads.

Alternatively, your first offer could be something really small but very valuable. Something on the 5-50 USD range that attracts a better subset of customers and whom you can sell something more expensive later
This will scare away the freeloaders but it will require more work on your part to get the first offer right.
(I honestly prefer this method)


For women and anything social related, there will be many times where giving value upfront is a good strategic decision.
Just make sure to ask for compliance ASAP and filter the non-compliant. Don’t keep on throwing away value to people who won’t reciprocate.
For women, asking to move or asking for her number are the best ones... if you invite her a drink but she won’t let you isolate her, that’s a bad signal and you want to start dialing down your giving.

 

[ulrich]

Maybe some guys are Game enough to just show up not offer anything except DTF and score...

I don’t think anybody is at that level.

Women usually don’t value being DTF yourself, you at least have to bring a good experience, fun, the promise of romance, excitement or something of emotional value.

In nightlife you may stumble on girls who are very horny, got their buying temperature up by a guy who left or something similar.
But you can’t deny that has a location and luck component in it.

 

[Will_V]

First of all, the concept of giving things for free in order to get something later on is the same as nice guy syndrome, covert contracts, whatever you want to call it. Nobody likes to suddenly get charged for a 'debt' they never knew they had. Free services up front is typically a terrible idea. Instead, focus on communicating and proving the value you can provide, and charge something for it.

If someone wants something from me, I try to find something they are willing to give me. In business, it can be a discounted rate, or their services in return. For something very small, it could simply be a pleasant disposition and enthusiasm. But they must give something that's valuable to them.

With girls it's even easier. I regularly tell girls (both girlfriends and new prospects) that I don't do things for free. This doesn't mean I go scanning the checks and balances all the time, but a girl who understands me knows what I really want: to be dominant and to feel rewarded. And is more than happy to do all kinds of things to make that happen.

As far as pickup is concerned, I think you have to approach it a bit differently. The way I look at it is: is she following my lead? I don't expect any more than that, because it's all I need. Pickup is not a transaction, and her pussy is not a fee. I don't give to get, I only give either what I already want to give, or what is necessary to make it possible for her to comply more and more so that I can give her what she really wants.

 

[Fuck This]

You give your value freely to friends and acquaintances to establish your value in the marketplace. You establish yourself as someone who is Friendly, Kind, Caring, Fun and Good at your Craft (career) . WHen Females you ase interested in sense that value, then you can qualify them...