How does SAC interact with the 3 Keys?

Skippy

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I mainly use SAC to analyze my interactions but I was recently learning about the 3 Keys. Both models seem highly effective at getting the job done, but what's interesting is that it doesn't seem like there's a clear one to one correspondence between SAC and the 3 Keys.

I'm thinking Arousal in SAC corresponds to Emotional Stimulation and Sexual Arousal and maybe Attitude Similarity is similar to Social Frame but not really. And Compliance doesn't show up in the 3 Keys but I think(?) you automatically generate compliance if you have the 3 keys in place so it seems like a situation of 35+35+30 = 40+40+20 = bang.

Are there different instances where one model is better suited than the other(eg hindsight analysis vs real-time analysis or different types of pickup situations)? Or should you just learn one really well before moving on to the other? Or should you merge them somehow?
 

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I mainly use SAC to analyze my interactions but I was recently learning about the 3 Keys. Both models seem highly effective at getting the job done, but what's interesting is that it doesn't seem like there's a clear one to one correspondence between SAC and the 3 Keys.

I'm thinking Arousal in SAC corresponds to Emotional Stimulation and Sexual Arousal and maybe Attitude Similarity is similar to Social Frame but not really. And Compliance doesn't show up in the 3 Keys but I think(?) you automatically generate compliance if you have the 3 keys in place so it seems like a situation of 35+35+30 = 40+40+20 = bang.

Are there different instances where one model is better suited than the other(eg hindsight analysis vs real-time analysis or different types of pickup situations)? Or should you just learn one really well before moving on to the other? Or should you merge them somehow?

I have not heard of any of these models, do you have any links?

WIA
 

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SAC is a model from the Girls Chase One Date product. I'd share more but I don't want overstep in sharing "paywalled" info.

The "3 keys" is from Gunwitch: https://www.girlschase.com/content/confused-about-pickup-and-seduction-article-will-change. Also see his SMMA product.

Okay. Sorry, I have not bought either product. I cannot help you. And I would not want to speak on matters I don't know, or force you to talk about their proprietary information.

Generally, I've found it important to get a good working knowledge of multiple systems before I compare and contrast with other systems. A lot of the theory behind any given system comes alive from field experience, and that can't be described in a book - thus theoretical comparisons are not useful unless you've done both.

Cheers,
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Generally, I've found it important to get a good working knowledge of multiple systems before I compare and contrast with other systems. A lot of the theory behind any given system comes alive from field experience, and that can't be described in a book - thus theoretical comparisons are not useful unless you've done both.
Got it! looks like I'll have to field test because I have some practice using SAC but no practice using the 3 Keys just yet.
 

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I agree w WIA - ive rarely found it valuable to directly try to mix models and the likes in the way youre trying to mentally do it

As we develop as seducers or puas, multiple models, techs and insights will come our way across time.

Sounds like SAC is a good model and your current frame work,

Then you can the use eg the three keys to adjust things from it further.
Or to sorta evolve your model from.
Aka you put a new layer on top of SAC and think more of stretching it on various sides using the three keys and some of Guns pointers. Aka tak an expansive view

Maybe its a bit unclear how it fits atm and you have to think how SMMA can point you to new things that gives you a broader range of understanding. Adding perspectives onto SAC that unveils new dimensions. But it might not be clear atm. as it seems apples and pears.

As an example you can add the emotional stimuli key to SAC and see what it does. Play around with it. Or any of the keys.

maybe a new personal model will form

maybe you will expand SAC

widening your perspective

So with eg SMMA i would go for the parts of it that youre intrigued by - study the impact of adding each part.

and most importantly look at them in field and see how they unveil there.

i personally came first from a mess of many,
then i followed juggler and cajun
then i added sixty - MASF second gen escalation style especially the group of sleazy, the letter and sixty. I know there were more in that group but these were the guys i read at that time.
then i added various in a period where i was more sticking point drived eg lock-ins, eg mingling bu ij, eg sleazy escalator attitude, even some pimp stuff from julien etc.
Then i learned a lot from cozy; hes called Cody Lyans in here. And gained a whole other weight and depth to my seductions. Eg deepening what i saw from sixty and the likes but also expanding my sense of things to whole other levels.
Late years i mainly follow my own path as my intuition for seeing things has reached a level where gems unveil themselves for me. + i have slowly added better verbals second gen style.

A key is to slow down and stay with each part your expand w. as more things will unveil through slow forward momentum
 
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Skippy

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Then you can the use eg the three keys to adjust things from it further.
Or to sorta evolve your model from.
Aka you put a new layer on top of SAC and think more of stretching it on various sides using the three keys and some of Guns pointers. Aka tak an expansive view

Maybe its a bit unclear how it fits atm and you have to think how SMMA can point you to new things that gives you a broader range of understanding. Adding perspectives onto SAC that unveils new dimensions. But it might not be clear atm. as it seems apples and pears.

As an example you can add the emotional stimuli key to SAC and see what it does. Play around with it. Or any of the keys.

maybe a new personal model will form

maybe you will expand SAC

widening your perspective

So with eg SMMA i would go for the parts of it that youre intrigued by - study the impact of adding each part.
I think that makes sense! Yeah, I'd especially like to explore how each of the keys can impact Arousal and Compliance so this gives me some ideas how I can play around with it.

then i added various in a period where i was more sticking point drived eg lock-ins, eg mingling bu ij, eg sleazy escalator attitude, even some pimp stuff from julien etc.
Then i learned a lot from cozy; hes called Cody Lyans in here. And gained a whole other weight and depth to my seductions. Eg deepening what i saw from sixty and the likes but also expanding my sense of things to whole other levels.
Late years i mainly follow my own path as my intuition for seeing things has reached a level where gems unveil themselves for me. + i have slowly added better verbals second gen style.
Oh I was seeing the name cozy pop up, but I didn't realize that was Cody Lyans, but that's cool how another perspective on game can give you more depth and understanding on all the other ideas you were already using. And I'll also keep in mind to explore different models to target sticking points, because that could be an effective way to get past them.


A key is to slow down and stay with each part your expand w. as more things will unveil through slow forward momentum
Noted

Thanks!
 
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